Baku World cup. DTB Pokal World Cup etc,


Why didn’t any of the team gymnasts compete in the AA?

Baku World Cup


USAG Article

VT and UB

Vault Video

USAG article, day 2

BB and Floor

Jade Carey on Floor ( No sound) I think I prefer it this way:)

( Videos in the comments. Thanks Rocio:)

Team Finals DTB


1. Brazil 164.396
2. Russia 159.496
3. Netherlands 153.763
4. France 150.462



I wasn’t going to blog about this but the other blog has 80 comments so I thought we needed a new place to discuss.

Qualifying Results

USAG, Day 2

Vault and Uneven Bars
Beam and floor

Jade Carey


DTB Qualifying


Playlist of routines ( I think)

1.Brazil 160.400
2.Russia 159.250
3.France 154.550
4.Netherlands 153.350


[Bars] [Floor]


Rebecca Andrade Podium training


Simone Biles will compete at the DTB Pokal on March 16th and 17th. This USAG press release has details on how to watch

74 Responses to “Baku World cup. DTB Pokal World Cup etc,”

  1. Cupquaked Says:

    People on Reddit are calling us trash for commenting on your blog. Sounds like salty gymstans that didn’t get approved for the blog.

    Jaded DTY looks a little scary…and a huge leg separation on the block. Who else is in the vault competition here?

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Awww, the haters are back. I missed the haters. 🙂

      ” The Gymternet” never grows up, apparently. I wish I could say I used to care but….

    • imperatorcarolus Says:

      Final results of quals in vault in Baku. One of Paseka’s vaults was downgraded, hence the score (I am not sure which one). Jade seems thinner and more slender, or it is just me?

  2. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Both vault and UB results. If I am not mistaken, beam and floor quals are tomorrow.

    What’s reddit, by the way?

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      I didn’t know what redditt was til a few months ago when someone brought it up here. I think it’s a message board to discuss sports.

    • Cupquaked Says:

      It was me who brought it up. It’s like an online forum for everything. Each category is called a subreddit and you can subscribe to the ones you like and when you open Reddit, your newsfeed will be a combination of all the subreddits you’ve subscribed to. I follow gymnastics, makeup, skincare, music, and fun ones like scary stories or feel good stories. There’s also a news aspect to it. All the top new sites have subreddits that are updated hourly.

      It’s a weird format on a desktop/laptop but the mobile app is really easy to use.

      In regards to the gymnastics subreddit, it’s a weird mix of 4-year fans and hardcore gymstans. So arguments break out often between those two groups on the validity of someone’s opinion. They also LOVE She Who Shall Not Be Named 1 & 2. So I generally don’t comment on anything. But it’s nice because Reddit is open to everyone so you get posts from people all over the world. I see some gymnastics that I wouldn’t have otherwise seen since I’m not on twitter or Instagram.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I would love to let everyone post but certain people have proven time and time again they cannot be trusted. I have been very lucky with the people I have added here. Everyone doesn’t always agree but no one acts like the gang members of a certain message board or the bullies of another one and that is why I won’t ever approve everyone.

        I still find it amusing that people hate me when I haven’t posted an obnoxious blog directed at them in years. That means it is truly the free speech of this blog that they hate.

        If these groups only knew the people who have contacted me and shared info about certain people in their group’s their heads would explode. 🙂

  3. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Chuso leads standings for vault specialist, though.

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    Splash fest for Russia in quals and, following what I am seeing on Twitter, splash fest today too, and in UB of everything. A lot of comments about Sikamova’s consistency, she is having a rough competition.

  7. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Brasil is three points ahead of Russia with two rotations to go. Including beam for Russia.

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    Brasil wins team final 4.9 point ahead of Russia, with Netherlands in third, but far behind. We must remember that this was a potential team A for Russia, as it had their two most powerful AAers of the Russian Cup, and Klimenko, who ended up fourth and got at least one individual medal. No joke there. I think I can hear Valentina seething all the way from Stuttgart to Vienna. Sikamova especially seems to be in trouble. I hope Valentina isn’t too hard on her.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      This team is tragic. Mustafina is out of shape and grossly overscored and barely surviving on fumes but I would take her to any Worlds/Olympics she wanted to attend because she is the only trust worthy gymnast left in Russia. I like Angelina Melnikova because she seems like such a nice kid but I could do without the rest of them.

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        It is complicated, because they are not a bad team if they hit, but they are so prone to make mistakes in important competitions that you never know with them. And I can’t put the blame in the gymnasts themselves, because we have seen the Russian team have this same kind of unreliability as a whole since Sydney onwards, so it seems to be something you have come to expect from the Russian team, that they are going to have a terrible rotation/couple of rotations in one part of the competition. If they have a good quals, you know they are going to have a problem in the team final, in the AA final or in the Events final. That is a fact. Melnikova was very reliable last year, and she seems better in DTB cup, as she hit almost everything, and the new juniors seem very good. Klimenko is very young and need to upgrade some things if she really wants to be competitive as senior (she only has a FTY, for example), and Eremina is slowly coming back. I really think that a team with Melna, Eremina and Aliya would be a sight to behold, but I really doubt that they all will be healthy and completely ready at the same time. That would be like seeing an unicorn. I don’t agree that Aliya is running on fumes. She is highly competitive in a code dominated by difficulty and much more reliable than everyone in her team. But we can’t expect for her to be as competitive as she was in 2010, nine years and God-knows-how-many injuries ago. That is impossible, but she is still improving and presenting a good enough difficulty in several events and good execution, so I wouldn’t say she is running on fumes. I do think that Valentina is taking her to Worlds this year if she is healthy. She thinks that Europeans are Russia’s, because, to being frank, the rest of European countries are very behind Russia except for some gymnasts in Event finals, after Romania’s debacle. And with so many important gymnasts preferring World Cups or resting for Worlds than European, Russia should have 1-2 in AA even with a little splashfest (not with a big splashfest, though), and several Event medals. Valentina knows Worlds are another story altogether and she will take Aliya, because she knows that Aliya can support that team in her back in necessary. She has done that before.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        When do they hit? Any team could be great if they hit but the current Russian team are like dominoes. One falls they all fall…. People get mad when anyone calls gymnasts fat but right now that is exactly what she is. She’s actually fat for a gymnast. She had a baby a year or so ago and that’s why but she really needs to get in better shape. The College gymnasts are in better shape than she is. I said she was running on fumes and I believe that. When she finished her beam routine in this recent world cup she was breathing hard. I can’t remember the last time I saw a gymnast look like they were gonna pass out after a beam routine.

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    • gymtruthteller Says:

      This girl is not stunning. I need to The rest of the world is throwing mad difficulty (oh my teen years and the words used) but the sloppiness is killing this old school heart. This code is tragic.

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        Well, it is the Twitter account of the British Gymnastics, it is expected for them to present their gymnasts in the best light they can. I agree that the code is tragic in general, but I will cut Fragapane a slack here. It is her first competition in more than a year after a serious injury, so it is expected she needs some time to polish things off. And I think they are trying to pace her, too, as she is not in the British rooster for Europeans.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Fragapane has never been polished. She’s always been a bull in a China shop. In fact I would call 99.9 % of Britain’s gymnastics the exact same description.

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        I shouldn’t have used “polished”, what I mean was that she will get a better execution in her routine with time. GB gymnasts are the type of powerful gymnasts that got great benefits with the new code, with high difficulty and not always the best execution. Not my favorite kind of gymnastics, but it is a federation that has grown a lot over time. I am still waiting to see if they can keep it up several quads after London, to be honest.

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    Today is Miss Val last meet. Wonder how many 10’s they are getting today?

  23. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Simone wins the whole thing, as expected, but heavily overscored, at least on vault and UB, which I find stupid, she was going to win either way. Aliya is much better, she had her DTY back, which she hadn’t at Russian Championships, and her floor is much better, too. It is a new on, choreographies by Afanasyeva. The problem was beam, with at least a fall and a lot of problems in execution, but I think that she has very much improved since Russian Championships and, if she remains with the good progression, she will be at her best in Worlds. Padurariu is a joy to watch and cute as a button, I wish her the best in the future.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Canadian gymnasts in general are bathroom breaks for me.

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        If I this helps you to get hooked on Padurariu, she is from Romanian origins. I read on Twitter someone saying that Padurariu was actually the best Romanian gymnast competing right now and with Larissa and Golgota injuried, I have to agree. By far.

    • Danielle Says:

      Do you happen to know Simone’s execution score on bars? I was shocked that Mustafina only got 8.4 and would be really annoyed if Simone got higher that that since I read she wasn’t as sharp as we’ve seen her lately. Mustafina’s routine was great, hit her handstands and a stuck landing.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        8.3. Link is in the blog.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        She is always overscored lately. I watched it on the Olympic channel but I don’t remember thinking she was completely overscored. She has a huge jump back on vault but her usual beautiful height and distance which is why I will never think she is overscored on that event. Her beam was messy and it looked like she went OOB at least twice maybe even 3 times on floor but she wasn’t deducted for all of them if she did. Her beam had a wonky, wold turn. She was going too fast and had to stand up like Chiles did . Not sure why she didn’t just keep going and make it 5 times around…. Honestly, to me she looks miserable. I think she misses Aimee. Either that or she doesn’t really want this comeback but she knows she can’t be beat so she might as well become an Olympic legend.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Click to access w_19dtp.pdf

      • Danielle Says:

        Thanks gtt! I don’t mind so much that she wins everything (it does make things more boring), but the over scoring on top of that is so frustrating.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I agree. She doesn’t need the overscoring. That is the way of judging with the big names, sadly.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        her other routines are on your tube also.

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    Jade’s tumbling is impressive, but her routine is boring as hell. Ferrari, for her part, stayed the whole thing and looks even better than the few times we saw her the year of her injury.

    • Gymbot Says:

      Ferrari is still leading in points on floor, 50 total (out of a maximum of 90), Jade has 46 points and Lara Mori has 42 points!

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        You are right. And Chuso is in the lead for vault, so she wouldn’t be the first there either. It could be rough for Jade to take the specialist spot after all, because if those who have now roughly the same points than her go to more individual World Cups than her, she is going to be left behind. It was said that USAG is only going to pay for two trips, that are complete with this World Cup, is that correct? She is not in the lead and there are several World Cups left. So she would have to renegotiate the whole thing or pay for herself, something that can be very costly, as none are near USA. Whereas Chuso and the Italians will probably go to more either way, especially Chuso, as it is a great way for good gymnasts, but not the top ones who usually have chances to medal at Worlds and Olympics, to get medals, recognition and the always evasive money. Paseka is also behind, as she didn’t go to the other World Cups and didn’t have the results she hoped to achieve in this one, although she has more chances than Jade, as Russia is less competitive than USA in terms of selection right now. And Valentina tends to take good placed specialists anyway. But things could get interesting after all.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I find it hard to believe that she won’t find a way to more events if she is in the middle of it.

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        It depends. It is all very new. We don’t know if USAG could relent and send her to other World Cups or if she has enough money to go on her own. We will see.

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        But I have to say it is proving to be more interesting that I expected. I was expecting for Jade to slay both events and that was going to be it. It is getting fun.

      • Gymbot Says:

        USAG release this statement:

        So Jade will compete in three world cups total – it doesn’t necessarily secure her spot, because in the next cycle, gymnasts can still attend cottbus or melbourne that had weaker talent pools, but the point system remains the same. Even if Jade gets another Gold, a gymnast like Ferrari could get two more golds when Jade is absent. We’ll have to wait and see.

  26. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Nedov is super out of my radar, so I need to take a look at her routines, but I have read that Bachynska should have won the final, but she got a 0.5 deduction because her coach was in the podium during her routine and that isn’t allowed, and ended up out of the podium.

    • Gymbot Says:

      Well I hope her coach waives some of his/her coaching fees, there is a bit of prize money to be won at these events.

      Yeah Nedov is sitting well to lead the points system. She has 55 points with her gold here and silver at Melbourne, everyone else has only appeared in the final once so far*, so she has a good lead in points now that the series 3/8 done. *Lara Mori and Taipanese gymnast are the only other competitors to appear in two beam finals and they finished low with 14 and 21 total points. So the beam field is wide open still, whoever shows up could win it.

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        I didn’t know who Nedov was, I had no idea, I have to begin to follow her now. But you are right, the beam field for specialists is the less competitive. I have problem thinking about a real beam specialist who could become a contender that isn’t already mostly sure that she will have a spot on the team, so she doesn’t need to try to be a specialist (Boyer, Sanne, Padurariu, Flavia, etc.) or that haven’t been forsaken by their federation and vanished to Gymbsberia or equivalents (like Kharenkova, for example). Li Qi, maybe? But you never know with Chinese, so yeah, beam must be the most open field fore specialists right now.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Tell me something, Gymbot. Is the total point total the deciding factor or are they taking say top 6 scores from each gymnast. So if Jade only goes to two competitions the most she can have is 60 points and she will lose out to a gymnast with 70 points that took 6 competitions ?

      • Gymbot Says:

        Wish I could answer you succinctly. What I know for sure is that they take the best three scores based on placement (1st = 30 points).

        The highest sum at the end of the series (8 total events) wins.

        I’m not 100%, but it’s possible the athletes can only attend four of these meets. It could be they can attend all eight, but I’m not 100% sure. I can find out another time.

        If two gymnasts tie in the points, a tie breaking procedure will take place. When I read the rules awhile back, the tie breaking procedure was not explained, so I would have to imagine that it comes down to the sum of their actual scores from the event finals.

        Only one spot per event.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I think the tying rule break was higher finish but don’t quote me on that.

        Thanks. Don’t worry about it. It makes no sense to send her to only 3 events if someone else can attend all 8 and have a higher score.

      • Gymbot Says:

        Yeah, I did some searching but can’t find the info. One of the FIG FaQ pages says they would announce the tie procedures in May 2018, but I can’t find a document. It may exist.

    • Gymbot Says:

      For qualification, if Emma Nedov does win the beam series in the end, Australia will send 3 gymnasts to the Olympics, the maximum without qualifying a team.

      They are guaranteed the continental championships win, and they just need a gymnast to qualify via AA score at worlds this year, which should be easy. They have plenty of gymnasts that can beat a score of 47.

  27. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Aliya’s UB:

  28. Jessica Says:

    I am confused-but what’s new? Why would Simone even bother with a World Cup? As much as I like her, I found it to be a bit insulting to the other gymnasts trying to make their mark. Especially when the best the other girls could do was win silver. World cup seems like a B Team event-seems pointless for her to attend when there was literally no challenge for her.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      She is doing some show overseas and I guess they decided to send her to this. Simone might or might not be the goat but early in her career she was never tested over seas. The US used to send their lower tier gymnasts to this meet when Europe would send their best. Besides Jesolo and the Pan Am games the only titles Simone owns are the big ones. Back in the day gymnasts competed more.

      • Gymbot Says:

        World Championships is in Stuttgart this year. When Martha was in charge, she preferred to send the gymnasts to team events, so Simone in her early career was sent to Jesolo and Chemintz Friendly in 2013, Pac Rim in 2014 (but then she didn’t compete because of a shoulder injury), I think Jesolo in 2015 or 2016?

        The World Cup assignments were often consolation prizes to gymnasts that didn’t make the big event/team, but the US has always sent a representative since I’ve been tuning in. Elizabeth price won Stuttgart and Glasgow in 2012, 1st at Stuttgart and was second at Glasgow in 2013, and she won American Cup in 2014, for example (after being overlooked on teams. I think 2014 she left for college instead of going to worlds).

        In 2012, Jordyn Wieber and Aly Raisman won the American Cup (No Tokyo cup, Price went to Stuttgart and Glagow)

        In 2013, Katyln Ohashi and Simone Biles went 1-2 at American Cup, Peyton Earnst won Silver in Tokyo (Price went to Glasgow/Stuttgart)

        In 2014, Brenna Dowell won Silver at the American Cup, Maggi Nichols won Bronze in Tokyo (Price went to Glasgow/Stuttgart)

        In 2015, Simone Biles and Mykayla Skinner went 1-2 at American Cup, I don’t think other cups were held actually.

        In 2016, Gabby Douglas was 1st, Maggie Nichols won Silver in the American Cup, Skinner won Glasgow, Amelia Hundley got Bronze at Stuttgart

        Insert Leadership change

        In 2017, Ragan Smith at American Cup (and Riley McCusker had a lot of problems), Morgan Hurd got 3rd at Stuttgart, Victoria Ngyuen got 2nd at London (instead of Glasgow that year)

        In 2018, Morgan Hurd and Maile Okeefe (3rd) were at American Cup, Trinity Thomas got 2nd at Tokyo, Jordan Chiles 3rd at Stuttgart, Marz Frazier 2nd at Birmingham (GBR)

        In 2019, Leanne Wong and Grace McCallum went 1-2 at American Cup, Biles chose to go to Stuttgart and won, Riley McCusker is going to the one in GBR and Morgan Hurd to Tokyo

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        the American cup doesn’t And the AC wasn’t world cup til a few years ago or over seas. I meant meets like the one she just competed at and the Swiss cup etc..

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    GOD YES!

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