US Podium Training: Woman

So basically everyone made mistakes but Jade. Everyone fell at least once but Jade. They all looked nervous. Valeri went out of his way to talk to Ashton at the end of training but seemed to be bored with everyone else. Hell even Liukin looked nervous.

I used to know how gymnasts trained vs competed but hell, I don’t even have the ability to care enough to know that.

This team is boring. All of them except Jade’s tumbling.

What did you think?


7 PM Eastern time October 1st

This Instagram has partial videos of other teams podium training.

Kenzo’s 3.5 Yurchenko. Wowzers. As usual his form is crossed but still.

Andrea Raducan had a baby girl.


62 Responses to “US Podium Training: Woman”

  1. Gymbot Says:

    Sam Mikulak fell a handful of times on pommels and he got pulled, he just has high bar.

  2. Ss Says:

    Tingting out of the aa, only competing beam now…they’re dropping like flies.

  3. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Parts of Liu’s beam:

  4. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Eremina looks soo good!

  5. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Nina’s UB:

  6. imperatorcarolus Says:

    It was said that Melnikova would do only one apparatus because of injury, but then if was said she would do AA. She fall more than ten times in podium training yesterday and, although we know that the Russian never train like they compete, I really think Melnikova is not well and they are risking further injury or a scary fall. I think the Rodionenkos don’t want to face the embarrasement (in their mind) of not having two AAers and full possibilities for event finals because they didn’t took the alternate with them and decided to take two especialists who are not well either. Several of Paseka’s vault training look downright dangerous and Iliankova fell from bars several times in training, too and won’t do beam because of her back injury. In this moment in time, except for Eremina, who looks really well, I will feel happy if the rest of Russian girls leave Montreal as healthy and physically untouched as possible.

    • It's all about me Says:

      I was surprised that Maria Kharenkova was even named as an alternate. I thought that she had been banished to ‘Gymsberia’ with Seda and the rest of the women’s team members who are being punished. What a shame that she didn’t travel to Montreal. They could use her right now. But, everyone is so inconsistent this year, maybe she wouldn’t make a difference.

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        Kharenkova was not banished “per se”, but had a long string of injuries. When it seemed she was better, another one emerged and the Rodionenkos kind of gave up hope on her regaining her former level after so many problems. Something similar happened with Alla Sostniskaya, who had a great potential but never reached her former level after a long string of injuries, so the Rodionenkos have said she is free to go to another country to compete if she wants to. But Kharenkova seems to have regained her former difficulty, specially on beam, which was her most powerful event and did very well on Russian Championships. It is true that the Russians have had an inconsistent year, except for Eremina, that for Russia is consistent, but the rumours of constant injuries have been around for months. The rumours of Iliankova’s and Paseka’s back injuries had been around before the team was announced and Melnikova have had pains since Europeans. And yet, they kept pushing them, probably agravating said injuries. We can’t expect them to compete their full difficulty and with good execution if they are injuried and the problem is that we have seen exercises from them in Montreal that show us that they are really struggling. Some vaults from Paseka are downright scary. I am done hoping for Russian medals this year (except for Eremina), I will be happy if those girls come back home without any further injuries and physically unscathed from this Worlds. We often forget how dangerous this sport is and we shouldn’t; if they are not in their best physical condition, they shouldn’t even attempt to do half of the things they are training at Montreal.

        Kharenkova might or might not had made a difference; we will never know. But she showed a good level at Russian Cup and could have made the AA final, floor final and possibly beam finals.And the most important thing, she seemed healthy and ready to do her best, something than can’t be said of three of four Russian team members.

      • It's all about me Says:

        Ooooohhhhhh… That’s interesting. I didn’t know that she had been injured so much recently.

        Of course, I make that statement knowing darn well that just about everyone from Russia ALWAYS is injured. I think you’re right that they push their athletes far too much when they’re injured – and then they get even MORE injured and for longer periods of time.

        I just assumed that Kharenkova had been sent to ‘Gymsberia’ with Seda and the others because I hadn’t really seen anything from Kharenkova since 2015 worlds.

        I always kinda liked her. She reminded me of a gymnast who would have been on a Romanian team during the ’90s.

        If ‘injury’ really has been her only issue, then maybe she still has a chance. But, time is running out for her, sadly.

        (Note: This is exactly why I love gymtruthteller’s blog. People here actually know what’s happening in the activity worldwide.)

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        In any case, she probably isn’t in the list of Valentina’s favourites. She was selected for the European and Worlds team in 2014 and 2015. In 2014, she won the European beam title, but in that year Worlds she underperformed and didn’t even make events finals after a fall on beam and a low score on floor in quals. In 2015, she was the Russian AA champion at nationals. She got silver in the AA in those Europeans,but ended up without medals in the rest of the event finals and with a fall in her signature event, beam. In Worlds that year, she was already injuried and only competed beam, with very low scores and falls (she didn’t make the EF and had a low score in the team final), and Russia ended up being fourth in the team final, with was seen as a disgrace by the Rods and other Russian figures. She was announced as injuried soon after, but we know that in those worlds she was already heavily injuried. She seemed to have gotten better in the first half of 2016 and competed in Osijek Cup and Russian Cup, but with watered down routined and was injuried again from her ankle in that same year. She was not a contender for Rio because she was deemed too injuried for her to be even contemplated and she hadn’t reappeared until the last Russian competition, when she did a very good performance after also a coaching change. So if we disregard the two competitions she was present at in 2016, when she did a very watered down routines and was injuried again soon after, she has been injuried since the last quarter of 2015 (and probably before, as she did only beam at Worlds and with poor results for her level) until the second half of 2017, almost two years without competing. So I don’t consider her to be banished to gymsberia per se, but I realize that Valentina’s confidence in her was disminished by the results she got in Worlds before her injury, when she couldn’t present the results, especially on beam, that they expected. But she has a good track record in Europeans,World Cups and home competition and she is not more inconsistent that other members of the Russian team that had been granted more opportunities, so I think that, if she reamins relatively healthy, she will be back with the team, especially given that she has good scores on floor, an even where Russia needs higher scores desperately and has a good beam and bars. Alla Sostnitskaya, on the other hand, is definitely in Gymsberia, she has not competed internationally for Russia since 2015 and there is rumors that she is going to compete for Georgia, soon.

        I think Kharenkova is an interesting gymnast. Very elegant, with long lines and important difficulty on beam and possibilities for AA, she presented important problems of execution and consistency that disminished her performance in the most important competitions. But she is still a young enough gymnasts and she can improve these issues if she doesn’t have any injuries. She seemed very well on the last Russian competition and the Rods didn’t want to take her God knows why, as they already know that at least Paseka and Iliankova. I suppose they got their two AAers (nobody would dispute Eremina and Melnikova’s position) and wanted two event especialists. But I would have left Iliankova at home, as Eremina has the same chances to medal and she is clearly not well or, at least, I would have taken the alternate with me in case any of the three injuried gymnasts Valentina took knowing perfectly well they weren’t well, broke. Now it’s too late for them to call Kharenkova if they haven’t already do so, as she has almost a day of travelling from Russia to Canada and I suppose they have to tell these things to the FIG and such beforehand and the competition begins tomorrow, so nothing can be done now. In any case, if she remains healthy, I think we will see her in the team next year, especially becaused the team desperetely need a boost in floor and, without Afan (I don’t know if she will come back), she is the next best score Russia has right now (we will see next year’s juniors, anyway).

      • tulip Says:

        Regarding the Russians pushing too hard and disregarding injuries, all for the sake of winning, that sounds like a similar approach that was used in the run-up to Moscow in 1980. Elena Muchkina was paralyzed as a result. I hope history does not repeat itself

  7. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Melnikova’s floor:

  8. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Eremina’s bars:

  9. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Canada, on the other hand, looks sharp except for beam. Shallon Olsen will compete a Cheng and an Amanar. And look very powerful in floor. Look Brooklyn Moors’ floor:

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      I like Moors floor but with that low start value it makes no sense to have brought her. I guess they are looking for home cooking

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        I don’t know if I catch the expression “home cooking”, sorry. You are right that with a 5.2 difficulty, is still a little early for her. I think that she is the new senior to watch in Canada and they choose her in order for her to get international experience. The real stars of the team are Ellie Black and Onyshko, with Ollsen taking recognition for her unexpected presentation of an Amanar and a Cheng. Also, she was fighting for the spot with Brittany Rogers, who had been injuried since the Olympics and had a disastrous National Championships, and with Woo, who had less difficulty than her in almost all apparatus. Also, Moors had good results in World Cups, taken even a medal in one of them (I don’t remember which one, but Cata was in it), so I think it makes sense for them to take her.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Home cooking means because she’s Canadian she will get better scores. It happens everywhere. If Cata loses a medal to Moors she should retire. Her start value is very low and even though she won a medal at one of the
        se events ( I even think it was gold) she is hardly betetr at execution then anyone else.

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        Ah, I was not familiar with that expression. In any case, as you say, it always happens with the home crowd. But I don’t think she will get a medal, even with that advantage and taking into account that the floor field is very weak this year. In a good day, there is at least seven gymnasts between her and a medal. I really think she is here for the experience and because she was a better option than others of her teammates that were left out of the team. But I think she has potential for the future.

        I read on Twitter that Cata is going to retire after this Worlds. I don’t know how true this affirmation is, or if Cata plans to stick to it this time (because we all know that she retired twice before). I tend to think it is true, because in the last Europeans and World Cup she has been struggling very much to get medals and even to get into finals (she didn’t get to floor final in the Euros, for example) and would like to end her carreer when she still is, if not the best, good enough for a medal or several finals. But we will see.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Sounds to me like she wants a going away gift as in a medal. I think it was her that did this before.

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        Probably she wants to go, if not with a bang, at least with results that are good enough. She probably wants a medal on beam and she can obtain one if she hits. Her difficulty with all the connections and elements is one of the highest in competition (if not the highest) and she has always been fairly regular. She had a good PT today, but to win a medal in beam in this worlds. In fact, she said in an interview that she was not confident she could make floor final and I think it would be easier for her to try to medal in floor than in beam this year, because the floor event is so weak this year. But we will see. Here is the clip when she says this is her last PT:

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        Now that I think about the “home cooking” expression, the one that can benefit a lot from it can be Ellie Black. With Melnikova and Eythora out of AA, she can get a good go to the AA podium if she hits. She got 54.950 at the universiade, but had a fall on UB (12.9) and a rough go at floor (13.550). She can get easily 2 points more if she hits so… I wouldn’t count her out.

  10. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Eythora’s beam at PT:

  11. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Official: Eythora, won’t do AA and will just compete on floor and beam.

  12. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Cata’s floor in PT:

  13. imperatorcarolus Says:

    It seems that Giulia Steingruber got her vaults back! I didn’t think she would be back to competing so soon after her surgery, so I was happy to simply see her competing at Worlds, but if she got any chances of medaling, I would be so happy for her!

  14. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Cata’s beam:

  15. imperatorcarolus Says:

    One of Giulia’s vaults:

  16. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Ferrari’s beam. If she connects everything, she has a surprising 6.3 score.

  17. Danielle Says:

    So I read somewhere that Morgan won camp and beat Reagan and that’s why she was put on the team. She’s looked surprisingly consistent so far in all the training videos so I have my fingers crossed that she puts it all together for an all around medal!

    • Cupquaked Says:

      Wow! That’s awesome for her. I hope this competition will help her get confidence (and then consistency) up! She’s the only one that I hope sticks around for Tokyo.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      You mean like how Mckayla Maroney used to beat Aly at camps but never came close in international competition

      • Danielle Says:

        lol touchΓ©. But Morgan is a more balanced all arounder than Maroney so this one is more believable, and Reagan with a fall is very beatable. This competition could be interesting!

    • tulip Says:

      If Morgan sticks and connects her elements, she could have very high sv

  18. imperatorcarolus Says:

    GTT, you are right, Jade (or Jada? I have been seen her name written in both forms) was the best of USA’s PT. Ragan had falls on beam and bars and not her best floor. Hurd, who looks much better than the last time I saw her, had struggled with the same movement on bars three times already, which is worrying, fell on beam and got completely OOB in floor. Ashton’s bars looked in no way ready to be in this Worlds. A boy on Twitter were adding up possibly D and E scores for USA’s performance’s PT and Ashton’s bars were around 14.00, even with a 8.9 execution. Not only would that be insufficent for UB finals, but both her teammates had higher scores. So she could be left out of UB EF not only because her difficulty is very low, but also because of the two per country rule. She looked better on beam, but a 5.2 D score is very low in such a packed field.

  19. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Jade Carey’s floor:

    • Cupquaked Says:

      Ok, so she landed everything and did all the leaps we’ll but something about this routine is not right. And it’s a little boring aside from the tumbling.

      Her moves and the music just don’t fit together in my opinion. the tumbling is great though. Does she do a Biles as her second pass?

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        I think she did a Biles, but I am not sure. I don’t particularly like the routine, but she is solid and had difficulty. I dislike Ragan’s more, mostly because the “I am so cute” moves. And she is very young, so she has a lot of room to improve and get experience. I remember I didn’t particularly like Aly the first time I saw her on international competition (I think it was back in 2009…She definitely was in 2010 because I remember her AA with Nabieva and Aliya) and she grow on me over time. Maybe with a little time, Jade will grow on us, too, but I don’t think if she will be chosen to compete in Worlds or Olympics in the next few years, with so many talented juniors and just four spots.

  20. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Joanna Adlerteg’s UB:

  21. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Morgan Hurd’s floor:

  22. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Now they are concerned for something that all of us saw coming for weeks. Congratulations (insert swearing word of your liking here). I just hope you won’t end up breaking this girl in this Worlds. She shouldn’t be competing and you should pull her out of competition.

  23. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Andrade might miss Worlds. She had to withdrawn from Podium Training and seems that her knee injury is acting up again. It has been announced that a medical team will determine if she can compete tomorrow or not.

  24. imperatorcarolus Says:

    KING KOHEI OUT OF AA BECAUSE OF AN INJURY! He had to scratch out in the middle of quals. His participation in event finals, those he might have managed to enter before his injury in vault, is in jeopardy too.

    • Gymbot Says:

      What was the injury, what apparatus?

      • Ss Says:

        Landing on vault crunched his ankles–he managed to do parallel bars but he was hardly able to walk on the sidelines. Won’t make any events. Sucks he can’t compete but I’m thankful he pulled out–serious injury wasn’t worth it when he has nothing left to prove anyways.

    • Cupquaked Says:

      Somebody on Facebook said the bright lights are why so many gymnasts have injured themselves during quals. It does seem like an unusually high number but why would the bright lights affect that? Does it blind them and they can’t see their landings?

      • tulip Says:

        Or does it blind/distract them for a tiny tiny moment and it throws tgeir rhythm off? If the lights are a problem, they best get to fixing that. Don’t want another Sydney type fiasco

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        I heard that, too, especially regarding high bar. I read that the lights are so bright and close that when the gymnasts fly on high bar, they blind them for a moment and loose sight of the bar. That would explain some of the falls and injuries sustained in high bar. A Spanish athlete was injuried in high bar yesterday, too. But I have read only comments about that from attendees to the competition and not from any gymnast, coach or team member; if that is the problem, I hope somebody says something soon before more people injury themselves. In any case, there has been way too many injuries for only one competition. Just in yesterday’s last subdivision, there was seven injuried that had to scratch off the competition completely and two of them had to be carried off the arena in a stretcher and there were many falls in the two other subdivision and I think one or two additional injuries. Those are way too many for just one day of competition. Hell, I think there weren’t so many injuried in the WHOLE Rio gymnastic competition last Olympics. It is not normal. Something is not going completely well.

  25. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Seems floor is/was broken. One of the gymnasts from Netherlands pointed out that there was some kind of hole under the carpet after he fell in his routine and they had to dismantle the whole thing trying to fix it. I don’t know how much time it had been broken before this gymnast raised the alarm.

    • imperatorcarolus Says:

      It seems it was indeed broken because they are allowing gymnasts to repeat their performance on floor. I don’t know how far in the quals, though, but at least the last rotation is allowed to repeat their performance.

    • imperatorcarolus Says:

      Just the last rotation was allowed to repeat their performance on floor, but we don’t know how much time it was broken. They suppose that not too long, as nobody said anything before, but two important injuries were sustained on floor yesterday and a lot of falls, including the current floor champion, so I am not so sure it wasn’t already broken or, at least, heavily compromised.

    • imperatorcarolus Says:

      Duerloo was the gymnast who raised the alarm and didn’t redo his floor because of an ankle pain/injury. But the redo allowed his teammate to enter FX final, as his first attempt wasn’t very succesful and his score wasn’t high enough.

  26. dianajc99 Says:

    Ashton doesn’t even get the anchor spot on bars.
    VT: Carey, Hurd, Smith
    UB: Hurd, Locklear, Smith
    BB: Hurd, Locklear, Smith
    FX: Carey, Hurd, Smith

  27. imperatorcarolus Says:

    Confirmed: Andrade out of Worlds.

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