World team named. Day 2 camp videos

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Not even pretending we are being fair. Sorry but Hurd has no business on this team and don’t get me started on Locklear.

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Day 2 Camp videos, Play List

45 Responses to “World team named. Day 2 camp videos”

  1. G Says:

    The only thing I can think for Hurd is that she really brought it at camp? Locklear I have no idea.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      In the videos she was messy

    • Gymbot Says:

      Overall, Hurd, Chiles and Trinity were almost neck and neck for bronze behind Regan and Riley. I can see any of them as the second AAer.

      I would have liked Chiles more with a second vault, considering the nature of this years WC

      Based on the training videos, I think Alyonna Schennikova should have got the spot for bars over Ashton. I was expecting the in bar work back +0.5 – puts her in the hunt. Still lovely to watch but not enough to earn a medal

  2. Danielle Says:

    I don’t understand this at all. Hurd is my favorite but I don’t think she has the mental game yet to hit when it counts (I can’t pretend to not be happy about her making it though lol). And maybe they’re counting on Ashton to get her inbars back between now and worlds but it seems pretty unlikely.

  3. Gym Obsessed Says:

    Based on what’s been said about Valeri in the past – I think he prioritizes a certain body type and I think that’s making him biased. I’m not totally unhappy with the team or saying it’s total bunk, but I think there were other options that would have been stronger if he wasn’t stuck in the past framework of what makes a “pretty” gymnast.

  4. Gymnast41 Says:

    Hate to say it but this is about the be the most unsuccessful, underwhelming, splat-filled worlds the US has had in years…

  5. Brainy Says:

    When was the last WC when the US men’s team won more medals than the women’s team? In about 3 weeks the answer will be 2017.

  6. Cupquaked Says:

    People saying Jade won’t compete AA makes no sense to me. The US NEVER sends just 2 AAers to Worlds/Olympics. They don’t risk it. Ragan, Morgan, and Jade will compete AA in qualifications and the top 2 will make it.

    I’m gonna assume Morgan doesn’t handle the pressure and falters so Ragan and Jade are in the AA. Jade also might make EF for vault probs won’t medal.

    Ragan makes EF for beam if others faulter, she definitely isn’t getting a medal. But AA she could possibly get silver behind Iordache. I think it’s the end of the American domination run this year. Next year we’ll probably have Simone and others back (or 2019 more likely) so I’ll enjoy watching other countries this year. NBC won’t have anything else to show.

    Honestly, had Maggie stuck with elite, she would have outclassed and surpassed all of these kids and made AA at Worlds and probably won silver or even gold. She, Ross, Iordache, and Ohashi are the only people to have either beaten Simone in senior elite or gotten really really close. And Iordache is the only one of those in the AA competition this year. I will keep wishing Maggie comes out of retirement before Tokyo.

    • JAS4 Says:

      I really like Maggie and I would love for her to make a return to elite!

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Jade doesn’t do the UB

    • Ss Says:

      Only 3 from each country can compete on each event…If Jade were to do bars (they aren’t at elite level so she doesn’t) then Ashton wouldn’t compete them…defeating the entire point of having her go. That was the controversy in 2013. Instead of having Brenna do bars, Martha let Maroney do AA instead and switched Brenna to alternate.

      • Cupquaked Says:

        Ah. I momentarily forgot this was an individual Worlds AND that it’s now 4 person teams. So it’s not 5-4-3 anymore. It’s 4-3-3?

        Ugh. I hate this sport. Who in their right mind thought 4 person teams were a good idea?

      • Gymbot Says:

        I think this cycle it’s:
        2017: 4-3 (four athletes, 3 compete in quals for access to finals)
        2018-2019: 5-4-3 quals, 5-3-3 TF
        2020: 4-4-3 quals, 3-3-3 TF

        Can someone fact check me? I’m not 100% sure

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Isn’t it 6-5-4 for team in 2018 and 2019? ??? Only the Olympics is 4-4-3 ( used to be 5-3-3)

      • Ss Says:

        6-5-4 format for 2018/2019
        They’re only doing the new format for the Olympics so far.

      • Gymbot Says:

        Thanks – I’m glad worlds isn’t changing yet

    • Ss Says:

      I see Ragan medaling in AA, beam, and floor…no idea what color those will be…with Jade a possibility for vault. Other countries are so inconsistent that even with the potential to beat the US, I just don’t see them being able to do it the entire time. I definitely think it’s possible we don’t win a gold medal this year…but I think multiple medals are still likely.

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        Hurd…what a surprise for me. This problem this year with the USA is the potentiality. The past two quads you always knew that the team would be taking home several medals. They were in “destroyer” mode and nobody could even contemplate that the USA weren’t going to take a medal in all the apparatus and two in some of them. The surprise would have been for them to not take them. But now, with this team, your only bet is Ragan and she is not even a sure bet in any final, because she depends for others to fail. It is true that many of the top gymnasts of other countries are inconsistent, but Ragan is not as sure as Simone or Aly either and in the AA final she has the potentiality of getting gold or end up without a medal in fourth or fifth position after Iordache, Tingting, Eremina and Melnikova. Even others like Black can get, on the paper, similar scores as Ragan. And in the event finals, I would be surprised if Carey gets a medal, Ashton with a 5.5 can even be out of finals, beam is full of specialists this year and she might get a medal on floor, but it is not a sure thing either, especially with how problematic the judges are being on floor. In any case, is extremly rare for the USA to put all their eggs in only one realistic basket and for them to only have two realistic options for a medal, (AA and floor for Ragan) that might or might not become true.And if Ragan has a off day at quals, even less.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Ragan is no less consistent then anyone else you named for winning the AA. Ragan hit 8 for 8 at Nationals and was even a bit low balled compared to the gifts others received ( though not night 1 of beam. She was a mess and overscored. Didn’t Ragan hit 4 x 4 at the American cup too?

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        In the American Cup I think she failed on beam and a little on floor and in the US Classics she only competed UB and beam. In the US Championships, she got a lot of gifts (I understand your point that other received more gifts than her, but internationally she would have never obtain those scores either). I would like to know if she has competed internationally this year, to check how international judges would regard her, but I haven’t found any. But the point I am trying to make is that if everyone hits, she is not a sure thing for medals and that she is not as consistent as Simone or Aly, for example, for whom a mistake was a rare, rare thing competition after competition. Last year, the conversation wasn’t if Simone, Aly or even Laurie were going to win something, because it was clear they were going to win most of things and that it was usually the third spot the one for grabs. Not this year. Ragan can win several medal or none, depending of how things goes and that is very strange giving the dynamic of USA since 2003 of winning a lot of medals in all Worlds and Olympics with several candidates.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      I think Ragan can win or medal on beam. Larisa has been consistent of late but she always seems to mess up event finals and the new Chinese we just don’t know enough about yet to see if they will hit.

      • Ss Says:

        Ragan is normally quite consistent. She’s a product of Martha’s old regime—I don’t see her making major mistakes at worlds. Of course she’s not as consistent as Simone but she’s a once in a generation talent, it’s unfair to act as though the other us gymnasts must live up to her legacy.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        No one can live up to Simone. She’s a freak of nature.

      • imperatorcarolus Says:

        The problem with beam is that is packed. Aside from Lari, who can win the gold if she hits or being left out of the final completely if she has a bad day, we have Cata, the two Chinese (Liu Tingting’s is spectacular), Sanne Wevers, Eythora, Eremina, Melnikova, Dos Santos and others has similar or higher D-score, so it will depend on execution. And if Kharenkova finally goes (she is an alternate, but there are rumours of injury for Paseka and Iliankova) she has a 6.4 beam routine, with 0.4 advantage over Ragan. So she doesn’t have an edge or advantage and depends of others with higher difficulty to fail, something that can happen or not. Which makes everything all more interesting in my mind. And I thought these were going to be a boring Worlds! In any case, for an event finals (aside for AA) I would bet for her on floor. That apparatus is up for grabs this year.

        Regarding Simone, I didn’t mean to compare everybody to her. I wanted to point out that in a scale of consistency, with Simone as almost a sure thing, Ragan can’t be regarded as extremly consistent. But I can mention also Aly, who has always been super consistent too, or Jordyn, who in 2011 hit almost everything. Or Shawn or Chelsie, who used to be super consistent too. Ragan’s consistency is not as good as theirs,so if we question other’s consistency for this Worlds, I think is fair to say that Ragan’s is not a sure thing either, especially in an international competition, given that she has almost only competed in home competitions (sorry, but I consider American Cup a home competition for USA gymnastics).

  7. It's all about me Says:

    Two things:

    1.) It’s very strange to see a U.S. ‘team’ consisting of four members. Granted, we’ve had a while to get used to this change. But it’s definitely odd. Call me old school, but I still like the 7-6-5 format. That’s an actual ‘team.’ But I digress…

    2.) Along with others, I predicted the first three members: Ragan, Locklear and Carey, not that I agree with them. But I’m really surprised to see Hurd in the line-up. I’m a big fan of hers, in many ways. But she’s a the top of my list of ‘not quite ready for prime time’ gymnasts. She seemed to be the least consistent of all the people who were in consideration for that fourth spot. I guess they’re sending her for ‘international experience’…???

    Of course, given the talent that’s available in the U.S. this year, I’m not sure that any other line-up would be significantly better. Or worse. It’s just a really weak year, no matter how you break it down.

    As negative as that statement sounds, I honestly do think that several gymnasts – with Morgan Hurd way out front – have the potential to be legitimately competitive internationally in about two years.

    But that two year number isn’t just an arbitrary time peg thing, like, ‘wait two more years and then it’ll be your turn.’ I mean that they need to spend the next two years ramping-up their D scores, fixing basic execution problems and developing a predicatble level of consistency.

    As I said a while back in one of these conversations, everyone at P&G this year just looked so ‘junior,’ even Ragan.

    But, if the rest of the world is as ‘off’ as the U.S. is right now, then maybe – MAYBE – the U.S. team somehow will come home with two bronze medals and everything will look fine on paper.

    • greytealbluemom Says:

      I don’t think this team matters. Exactly one person from 2013, zero people from 2009 went on to make an Olympic team. Nastias boyfriend likes his juniors a lot and if Simone comes back I thtink he’s fine with four people. Gabby’s done laurie is done Madison will be lucky to swing bars at UCLA post surgery. Aly is the big question mark but she has nothing besides gymnastics and endorsements. I don’t see anyone of this current worlds group surviving until 2020. There’s a reason Ragan Smith hasn’t turned pro…

      • Ss Says:

        I definitely agree that I don’t see any of these team members making 2020, unless they switch to a focus on one or two events and take a specialist spot…but they all have a lot of work to get there. With Simone coming back and the huge talent of juniors it’s doubtful there’s room for any of them on a 4 person team.

    • Mim Says:

      2013 worlds was only a four person team too (Simone, Kyla, McKayla and Brenna.. and Brenna didn’t even compete from memory, did she? I vaguely remember controversy/rumours to do with Penny). The year after the Olympics has always been 4 people (well, at least for the past 3 quads I think) so it doesn’t have anything to do with the new team format. But I’m with you, the more gymnasts on the team, the better as far as I’m concerned! For the next quad I’m curious how much further someone like Ragan can go compared to girls like Morgan and Trinity (who seem to have more ahead of them) and what that means for their longevity. I don’t care who makes Tokyo this early on as long as O’Keefe stays healthy, but there’s soo many good juniors on the rise who will slay as seniors as long as they don’t do a Bailie, Lexie or Katelyn. Can’t see Ashton in the mix but maybe Ragan. Apparently Jade had Tokyo as a goal too which surprises me! As for worlds, I think the field will be weak enough for the US to do really well.

      • Ss Says:

        Brenna didn’t compete b/c Penny/Martha switched her to alternate so that Maroney could compete AA. So the US took 3 all arounders instead of using 2 specialists to make up #3 and #4.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        That’s only half the story. Marta tried to talk Kyla into doing just bars and beam and Kyla’s mother told her if you do that she won’t compete at all so Kyla went to worlds. Marta caved. More like Steve caved.

      • It's all about me Says:

        Yeah, I’ve just never have been able to get used to a ‘team’ being four people. That format has been around long enough that I should be able to accept it. But, I’m old and set in my ways. Whatcha gonna do, right…??? 🙂

        I’m just hoping that the juniors on the way up 1.) stay healthy and 2.) they don’t get frustrated from being screwed over by Valeri and everyone else and just move on to NCAA.

        As others has said, I’d be surprised if any of this bunch will be around – much less relevant – two years from now.

        I really do think someone like Morgan Hurd, Trinity Thomas and possibly a couple of others might be pretty darn reliable after two more years of really hard work. But, I’m certainly not going count on anyone from this year being a part of the equation in the long term.

        That’s just the rhythm of the activity.

  8. gymtruthteller Says:

    Anyone else think that Jade should be doing beam over Ashton?

    • Ss Says:

      Neither are going to medal or make finals so I honestly think it’s better to learn Jade just focus on floor/vault because she is such a green elite competitor.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Ashton is a mess on beam. Her leaps are cheated, she’s shaky. I think having Jade do it would be a great learning experience for next year if they need her.

      • Mim Says:

        Actually having Jade do beam would be great. I agree, why not give her the experience?

  9. imperatorcarolus Says:

    In other news, Roxie Popa is back to training and said that her goal is to compete for Worlds 2018:

  10. gymtruthteller Says:

    The Olympic channel is going to be showing the Team finals and AA of all the Olympics since 1988 which means we all get to relive the Shush/Silvas , Miller /Gutsu debate and discuss Nastia drugging, Shawn. Oh and don’t forget the vault debacle.

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