Senior Nationals Day 1

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  1. exgymgurl Says:

    Nastia throwing shade at Ashton not being used for beam in TF… gee I wonder who she thinks should get the spot

  2. Ilanchik20 Says:

    And GD’s overscoring begins.

    14.8 for a hugely piked DTY with a large hop back. Sigh

    • exgymgurl Says:

      she scoopedit down like a V. But if Madison only got 1.2 off for that yuky fty at least they were consistent. Kocian would have gotten like a 9.6 in NCAA for that.

  3. exgymgurl Says:

    Amazing how clean Aly and Simone both look on beam…. stuck Patterson!!!!

  4. Ilanchik20 Says:

    Aly’s beam was perfect! And a stuck dismount.

  5. exgymgurl Says:

    Maggie looks great on bars. Nastia throwing shade on one handstand…. could she be any more pro woga biased? So happy for Aly on beam.

  6. gymtruthteller Says:

    Nastia needs to be called out on her biased Woga BS. People like her are why i hate that gym.

  7. exgymgurl Says:

    Its like they read the comments on the blog, saying who could add what score where. Where we pointed out skinner gives them a half a point on the amanar. And where we pointed out all the strengths. Maybe Lauren read comments as shes setting up tech facts for the terrible trio.

    • gymbot Says:

      realistically skinner could add up to half point for the amanar (since it is worth 0.5 more than a DTY)… but the way she and douglas are scored, it’s about 2 tenths

  8. exgymgurl Says:

    What are they talking about Laurie had helicopter legs and was as piked as gabby. with less of a hop and the comentators are like how amazing. 15.05 WTH? And Baumann fell on bars. Again didn’t she fall at classics? She needs to run off to FL with Bailie Key. Like yesterday.

  9. exgymgurl Says:

    Ragan had a bad floor, and DTY way off to the side. Almost OOB

  10. exgymgurl Says:

    kocian misses a connection missed a pirroheutte. slop. Slip slop Marta will know. Bad just bad form she has to be amazing on bars to make it.

    • Ilanchik20 Says:

      She always misses the connection. At least Tim pointed out Kocian’s missed handstands.

      • exgymgurl Says:

        well gabby isn’t getting second in the AA…. wow… Love Alys makeup perfect for HD TV. She killed it on floor…. that’s so much better than Laurie

  11. Gymnast41 Says:

    Gabby missed a connection for her bar routine lol…

  12. dianajc99 Says:

  13. exgymgurl Says:

    Maggie looks worse on beam than Ashton. Hopefully she brings it on floor, or NBC will wish they were showing more Skinner….15.6 for aly on floor. That’s a great score. Almost a point on laurie. Love it.

  14. dianajc99 Says:

    OMG..Drinking game ..It’s not as difficult as Simones

  15. exgymgurl Says:

    I think Kocian got a 15.4

  16. exgymgurl Says:

    Kyla is so tall. I mean like GIANT!!! I told everyone shes like 5’7″ elfie is like 5’3″

  17. JAS4 Says:

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Parents lie when they say they don’t have favorites. You’re my fave:) Thanks

      • JAS4 Says:

        You’re welcome lol 馃檪 I actually thought Kocian’s beam was better than Ashton’s. Also Yay meals! It will be interesting to see if the scoring is stays consistent night two or if so!e are given a boost to make sure they place higher.

  18. Gymnast41 Says:

    So great to see Kyla 馃檪 So far Aly’s got a full point on Gabby, Laurie is trailing Gabby .05

  19. dianajc99 Says:

    oh..I like skinner leo

  20. exgymgurl Says:

    Decent amanar from skinner one foot out. shes blocking with two arms. 15.2. Second vault solid.

    Locklear has the third highest score .050 over kocian on beam. Should have been more of a differential because although both were shaky, Locklear was better.

  21. exgymgurl Says:

    Aly vault is about the same as Skinner maybe a tenth or two better.

  22. Gymnast41 Says:

    Good God that beam routine was awful for Gabby

  23. Jessica Says:

    I’m impressed that with all pink floating around, WOGA is in red and white.

  24. exgymgurl Says:

    Gabby and skinner are tied for third. LMAO

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Take away Gabby’s over score on bars and Skinner is ahead

      • gymbot Says:

        Brenna Dowell can pass them both

      • Ilanchik20 Says:

        Take away Gabbt’s overscored on beam too lol

        14.2 for a lot of wobbles

      • gymbot Says:

        or not… what the heck happened to her on bars this time?

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        she missed something and had to repeat something. I don’t know i read it on IG’s facebook

      • Gymnast41 Says:

        pretty sure Laurie is about to pass them both. She’s having a great day so far, and her beam is coming up next dduring Gabby’s “floor routine”

      • Ilanchik20 Says:

        I don’t even like Laurie but she just scoured higher than Gabby on bars.

        15.3 for Laurie

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Gabby made a mistake and missed a connection

      • KG Says:

        I mean, I’ll take skinner to rio if it means we can leave gabby at home? I’ll take an airhead over pompous any day…

      • dianajc99 Says:

        I seriously think the panel made a mistake. with the miss’ and leaving out connection her SV would be way lower.

      • Mim Says:

        I’m sorry but I am LOVING that Gabby and Mykayla are tied, that is bloody hilarious. I am praying Aly holds on, really happy she and Laurie are ahead of Gabby.

        I wish Alyssa had a strong second event, her beam is just so pretty.

      • gymbot Says:

        Gabby was overscored in the E score on bars, not the D score. Her E score should have been much lower for bending her arms on the stoop she does before the dismount and small form errors throughout.

        Her D score ends up being correct:
        inbar1/1 (missed connection), pike tkatchev+pak (0.2 bonus);
        inbar1/2 to endo 1/2 to chow 1/2 (0.1 + 0.1 bonus);
        inbar, DLO dismount

        EEE DDDDD = 3.5 + 2.5 + 0.4 = 6.4

      • gymbot Says:

        Brenna fell/took an extra swing on a hop grip change?!?! I wish I wasn’t invested in this athlete

  25. H Says:

    What did Locklear get on BB?n Maddi 14.4?

  26. exgymgurl Says:

    14.45 for locklear on beam. Laurie is not having a great day. Shes getting a major marta overscore. Aly is over laurie by 1.1. Go meals!!! great showing for her

  27. Mim Says:

    Ragan is in 10th place so far… what’s going on with her. Beam should prop her into top 8 surely.

  28. Ilanchik20 Says:

    Locklear with a beautiful bars set!

  29. exgymgurl Says:

    15.6 for locklears bars, only .15 higher than Kocian. Massive woga overscore. Ragan has had a horrible night. Locklear should have been higher…

  30. dianajc99 Says:

    oh Regan..chin up, chin up, chin up..just like I tell the girls I coach

  31. exgymgurl Says:

    skinner must have fallen on bars…

  32. exgymgurl Says:

    aly solid in second tonight….gabby overscored in third. I don’t think Laurie takes it from gabby and gabby isn’t getting left home.

  33. exgymgurl Says:

    meals beats skinner … freaking awesome….

  34. dianajc99 Says:

    didn’t Simone used to do 2 weiler kips? or was that Jordyn?

  35. exgymgurl Says:

    simone same score as gabby on bars and gabby in fourth. Freaking awesome…

  36. dianajc99 Says:

    it is actually good strategy to put the new seniors on beam last,

  37. KG Says:

    So I see that gabby got 14.8 on floor… Was it deserved or over score? Her floor is honestly awful

  38. H Says:

    Will Lauren get more than 15.3?

  39. exgymgurl Says:

    So after tonight your team is locklear, Hernandez, gabby, aly, simone. Alt Skinner, Meals, Kocian lets see what trials brings. Maggie really needs to pull herself together. She got her butt kicked. Kocian was worse than the score indicated. Gabby was as bad as her scores indicated. Brenna is still headcasing. No surprises besides Meals. How Kocian is beating Meals is beyond me.

    • katecoursey Says:

      My thoughts exactly on the team front.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Still trying to figure out what Gabby did to put her on the team tonight. Finished top 3 on one event. Hell at this point I say take top 3 AAers tonight and 2 bar specialists

    • Laura Says:

      If Maggie can clean up, she can be used on floor and vault…but that depends on her health…anyone know if she will do floor/vault on Sunday? Gabby doesn’t add anything to this team, Simone has the same score on bars…she can’t be used unless she cleans up! and at this point, you’re right two bar specialists would be better then taking gabby…but it’s risky if laurie, simone, or aly get injured…so I can’t see Martha doing that.

  40. exgymgurl Says:

    And they put laurie in a tie with Aly for second #headgames because #theresnoway Aly will kick butt tomorrow.

  41. exgymgurl Says:

    wow its like someone told Nastia she was too WOGA biased. And she overcorrected it. And Gabby is flat. Wow this is the first time anyone noticed.

  42. dianajc99 Says:

    and now for the youtube playlist again.

  43. Mim Says:

    Gabby and Madison both looked bloody over it all and going through the motions, Ragan looked shaky and nervous. Brenna, that girl is just killing me. Her bars, girl no.

  44. dianajc99 Says:

    ok who is narrating the ranch?

  45. H Says:

    I am super happy for Aly going 4 for 4 with posibillity to continuing to clean up. I am impressed by Laurie, amazing jobb.

  46. H Says:

    Happy for Locklear! Please stick that bar dismount:-)

  47. KG Says:

    From what I’m gathering, gabby and kocian both over scored, but kocian had only a FTY and was less than a point behind gabby…. Still probably no chance of leaving her at home though…

    • Ilanchik20 Says:

      If Gabby does like this on Sunday, perhaps she could risk her spot.

      I’m still not convinced. Oh and that 14.8 on floor was a joke.

      • Mim Says:

        She’s not getting a 14.8 from international judges, SURELY.

      • H Says:

        I think she actually can risk her spot. But only if she keeps being “tentative”. But she is great to have since she is so even on all events (as the number 4)

  48. tennisgrl456 Says:

    I know this probably won’t happen but I wish they would leave the specialists at home since they don’t really need them and the chances of them winning an individual medal are slim to none.

    In an ideal world (aside from GD unfortunately being on the team bc of what she did in 2012), I wish the team could be Simone, GD (ugh), Aly, Laurie, and Maggie

  49. Mim Says:

    I’m really bad at calculating potential team scores, but if Gabby was taken completely out of the equation, freeing up a spot for another gymnast for the Rio team, is there potential for the team average to be significantly higher without her? Have any gym stats whizzes looked into this?

    • H Says:

      Some on this blog did, check the last blogpost (exgymgurl and gymbot)

    • gymbot Says:

      Depends on what you mean by significant. If you average the scores of the gymnasts by what they have competed this year, but dropping Aly’s botched vault and missed bars in her averages, this the difference in scores:

      Biles, Raisman, Hernandez, Locklear + Douglas: 184.2015
      VT: Biles, Raisman, Douglas
      UB: Locklear, Douglas, Biles
      BB: Biles, Raisman, Hernandez
      FX: Biles, Raisman, Hernandez

      BTW, Hernandez has scored 15.25, 15.25, 15.3 and 15.3 on beam this year

      Biles, Raisman, Hernandez, Locklear + Nichols: 184.2997
      VT: Biles, Raisman, Nichols
      UB: Biles, Locklear, Hernandez
      BB: Biles, Raisman, Hernandez
      FX: Biles, Raisman, Nichols

      This is based on Nichols floor from AT&T, which she’d have to get back

      • gymbot Says:

        BTW this updated from tonight’s scores

      • gymbot Says:

        Swapping out the last gymnast doesn’t seem to matter, Skinner could go and contribute only on vault and it’s about the same score: 184.0799

      • gymbot Says:

        one last thing, if you assume Biles doesn’t do bars in TF, a team with Biles, Raisman, Hernandez, Locklear and
        Douglas – 183.9432
        Skinner – 183.2632 (Raisman has to bars in TF)
        Nichols – 183.8328 (Nichols does bars in TF)

  50. Gymnast41 Says:

    So tonight is the night that gabby gets to kiss her Olympic AA hopes goodbye and realize that Laurie and aly (who don’t have reality shows, kill it in the gym, are humble, and are overall great people) will be the ones doing AA in qualifying with Simone. I know some of us were worried about Aly not doing AA in qualifying, but gabby’s performance tonight basically proved the fact that she is overhyped and no longer the top 2 AA’er. Honestly she should be thankful she may actually go to Rio period.

    • H Says:

      I wonder if this performance by Gabby was a shock for the selection committee? Since she has looked very mentally strong so far in the process?

      • Gymnast41 Says:

        Not really a shock but concerning, while everyone else is getting better, she’s just getting worse

    • KG Says:

      To be honest, I’m still skeptical and not convinced that it won’t be Simone, Aly, and gabby that get the shot for AA.

      She will have to continue her downward spiral, and the other girls will have to continue to out score her by more then tenths, IMO.

      But we can hope and dream, right?! She certainly didn’t do herself any favors and Aly and Laurie and Simone definitely proved themselves.

      • dianajc99 Says:

        if there not going to compete her in AA(witch she doesn’t deserve) there no point in bringing her.

      • KG Says:

        Vault: Simone 16, Aly 15.35, Laurie 15.05

        Bars: Ashton 15.6, Laurie 15.3, Simone 15.1

        Beam: Simone 15.7, Aly 15.35, Laurie 15.3

        Floor: Simone 16.1, Aly 15.6, Laurie 14.8

        Nowhere in a 3 count could gabby contribute more than a “tie” on bars or floor. The only way she would contribute (by tonight’s scores), would be as the 4 up 3 count dropped score, essentially. It would make more sense to bring skinner for her 15.2 vault, to be honest. Not that I’m even a skinner fan at all.

        But truth be told I’m holding out for Maggie to come back.

  51. KG Says:

    It would have been nice to have bailie key in the mix, just to drive the point home, as well as Maggie doing AA

  52. dianajc99 Says:

    i j
    ust spent $385 on 2 all session trials tix

    just in case they don’t let the volunteers in.

    • gymbot Says:

      have fun! I realized I’ll never see simone biles perform in person, so enjoy every second of it

      • Ss Says:

        OMG it is unbelievable to see live. I feel so honored I got to see her at Pac Rims. She flies so much higher than anyone else but such a significant amount it’s unreal. Actually, I felt like Aly looked way better in person then on tv too.

  53. Exgymgurl Says:

    Omg, what if gabby starts melting down like alter did at trials? THat would be epic.

  54. Roc铆o Mart铆nez L贸pez Says:

    Just catching up now…Time difference is a bitch sometimes.

    Wow, didn’t expect this result! Gabby in fourth with Kocian a hair away from her, even with Gabby being overscored. There is no way that international judges are giving her that score in floor. They have been extremely picky this year with floor routines and almost nobody surpassed the 8.700 in execution even with near flawless routines, they are not giving Gabby and e-score of 8.800 for a routine like that ever. But I am grateful that the “Panamerican” music and routine is gone. I hated that routine with all my heart. And she had an “off” UB routine…like everything seemed labored somehow. I can’t put my finger on it, but that was not a 15.100 routine. Musty had a flawless execution in the Event finals and had that score. I know that it is a national meeting, but Martha has to know that the international judges aren’t giving her that score.

    I am sad about Reagan, hope that she can compensate somehow in Day 2. Maggie seems well enough for the injury she suffered. It was no so long ago, so I am surprised that she can do as much as she has shown. I know that this might not be enough to make the team, but she has my respect. Simone was her usual amazing self, no comments there, but I miss her old floor routine. I liked it better, but that’s a matter of opinion. She is going to kill it on AA finals. With that scores, she can have a fall and an OOB and she would still win. Hats off for Aly, who seem to be over her doubts of the first meetings. Good for her.

    Also, anybody else found Gabby’s bicolor leotard terribly distracting or it was just me? I know is something very minor, but I found it so strange…It was like Afan’s butterfly tattoo, terribly distracting.

  55. Exgymgurl Says:

    Okay here’s what happened last night: I’m going to set betting odds so everyone understands I’m going to use NBC olympics top ten plus baumann and Meals to round it out: Biles 99% going to Rio, severe bodily harm is the only thing keeping her away. Raisman 90% going to Rio she’s steadily improved since last year and is peaking at the right time plus consistent, proven winner. Hernandez: 80% NBC has been told to build her up, she’s being overscored someone wants her on the team. Douglas 75% Steve Penny wants to keep all of Gabbys sponsors happy. There’s nothing special here but nothing overly horrendous. This leaves one spot with two scenarios: an AA gymnast like Meals Smith Baumann Dowell Nichols Skinner or Kocian with a standout event that likely will only be used once, or rolling the dice on Locklear. Baumann and Dowell are out because of inconsistency I’d say both have a 10% shot. Meals has like a 15% shot because she’s getting better and is solid but with lower difficulty. Smith has gone down to 25% because she was more of a hot mess than Brenna Dowell. Skinner comes in next at 40% because Marta really wants that Amanar. You know she does, but Skinner needs to clean it up over the next three meets. Nichols is at 45% after last night, you know she needs to be cleaner and start scoring higher. She lost all of her composure on beam, but this could be looked at as she’s not had numbers or like she’s out of shape or it’s her mental game is off. None of these things are good. We need to see how she responds. This leaves Kocian and Locklear both at 50/50. Marta putting Kocian so high in the AA rankings doesn’t bode well for Locklear even though we know Kocian will probable break before Rio. I think the edge should go to Ashton, but with four events and Kocian under performing I’m putting them even.

    Things to think about
    1. I think at one point Skinner was working on cleaning up her gymnastics then Marta noticed she was short an amanar and said skinner go train your amanar, we need you like we needed Sloan in 08. Skinner you need to be cleaner too sorry. I would never ever send any kid that was good at gymnastics to your coaches, they have botched your career by not really helping you fix yourself.

    2. All of Kocians difficulty before her injuries that would have locked her on the team is gone and her form is worse. My prediction is she will injure out before trials. I wish she would go off to UCLA and let miss Val fix her.
    3. Maggie needs to get it together fast or just go to OU.
    4. Locklear is doing everything she can but my gut says at the end of the day it’s not clear if that’s enough. ASac did everything she could and it wasn’t what the selection committee wanted.
    5. Gabby is there and on the team unless there is an atleresque meltdown of sorts. Gabby has a lot more nagging injuries than she is probably admitting to the national team staff and doctors. I think her problem is she looks to be in pain most of the time that’s why she’s not happy. My guess is nagging back issues are keeping her from competing extra difficulty on bars, and also from the amanar.
    5. The rest of the people are just there for window dressing,

    • Gymbot Says:

      Do you see skinner thriving and improving in NCAA?

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        Well no. She’s going to Utah, and the marsden program is not known for great form. If she were headed to UCLA OU FL LSU or reall any SEC program different story, but not at Utah, they aren’t known for pretty NCAA gymnastics. Or for improving people’s gymnastics look. Dabritz and lo throw and even postell didn’t get worse on form, but didn’t improve execution either.

  56. Beth Tennant Brigham Says:

    I can’t post a picture but the USA Gym FB page has a pic of all the competitors during the opening flag salute, and Gabby was the only one who did not have her hand over her heart. What the what?

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Usag doesn’t care about the flag. A few years ago the entire group was stepping on it and they advertised the picture. I think people need to get over it in this case. A lot of people don’t put their hand over their heart for the pledge of alligence. Heck I don’t always do it tho I never sit there bit h faced.

  57. Beth Tennant Brigham Says:

    Link to the pic of Gabby not saluting the flag, if it works:

    • Ilanchik20 Says:

      She has done a similar thing in the past. During American cup, when they sang the Anthem, she looked down to the ground with an annoyed look.

  58. Exgymgurl Says: This is my guess, she’s converted to Islam and doesn’t want everyone to know. This is the usual compromise. I thought that it was possible at SCAM, not that it really matters as long as she’s a great gymnast.

    • Gymbot Says:

      Or she was trying to get her mental game together because she wasn’t totally prepared. Lots of new little upgrades, and she is amongst a competitive field… And her family depends on her success etc

  59. Beth Tennant Brigham Says:

    With her obviously half-hearted gymnastics and crappy attitude, i don’t want her representing the US at the Olympics. After her terrible beam routine and her lackluster UB performance, Tim Dagget was talking about the gymnasts who had the highest chance to be on the team, barring injuries. He mentioned Simone and Aly and then said, “And of course, Gabby Douglas.” Clearly she’s being pushed regardless of performance. She looked terrible, face horribly broken out and she moved about like a zombie. My teen son passed through the room during her floor routine and said, “She looks like she’s on drugs.” I don’t have any hate for her but there are others who more deserve a spot and it’s not fair to them that she can coast in on past accomplishments.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      I think she’s being pushed to do this by mommy dearest for money and probably wanted to stay retired. I think she’s done like Atler was done at least mentally and no matter how many times Atler says she didn’t screw up on purpose I don’t believe her.

  60. Beth Tennant Brigham Says:

    Another thing I noticed: After her flubs on the beam, her coach Kittia Carpenter moved over, put her arm over GD’s shoulder and started to speak. Gabby didn’t look at her, didn’t acknowledge her, shrugged off Kittia’s arm and walked away without speaking wearing a scowl on her face. I don’t envy her current coaching team, and think they would have a lot of stories to tell about GD’s behind the scenes behavior.

  61. Exgymgurl Says:

    I don’t want to accuse anyone of doping, but with what the Russians were likely doing with meldonium, it wouldn’t surprise me. The rules have changed and it’s getting more challenging. I thought gabby was doping last year, and if she’s had to stop because of the 2016 list changes that would explain the drop off in performance. If she doesn’t make the team she will claim it’s because of Islam.

  62. Exgymgurl Says:

    Sad, I’m actually rooting for gabby. I can’t believe how bad bozo did night one on the men’s side. I hope they leave him home.

  63. Roc铆o Mart铆nez L贸pez Says:

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  64. Tortuga Says:

    I’ve been reading a long with you guys but haven’t been able to post in all the action. I watched with my mom and dad and had to answer lots of questions lol. My thoughts:

    Simone- Performed as expected, even my parents see she is in a league of her own.

    Aly- Thank God she is finally putting it all together and seems to be peaking at the right time. Hoping she nails days two also.

    Laurie- You all say she’s being promoted by NBC and Martha but I don’t really care at this point, She’s hitting, has a great attitude and is beating Gabby. If Maggie can’t get back to previous form I’m completely will to say Laurie deserves a shot at the second AA.

    Maggie- Decent bars for a non specialist but her beam was very shaky. I want to cut her slack since she’s coming back from injury but it’s not looking in her favor after tonight. Hoping she gets all together and proves me wrong. Still pulling for her to bring it all in the AA at trials.

    Gabby- Lack luster performance all around. Everyone is talking about her not smiling blah, blah, She hasn’t really smiled much at all in this come back. Nothing wrong with that, although I do think personality comes out in gymnastics and can make a difference in judging and fan favorites. That’s why everyone loved Shawn Johnson and Simone. Which she use to mention in interviews how Jordyn was the serious competitor and she could never be that way, she would always be goofy and smiley. That doesn’t seem to be the case anymore. My family also pointed out her attitude before Tim Dagget said anything. Personally I think she’s feeling the pressure of that second AA spot being taken away from her like Jordyn in 2012, funny how things work out like that eh?

    Ashton- She keeps hitting, and her bars are more aesthetically pleasing to me than Madison, but I still think it bodes better for Madison to have all 4 events as back up. Still think it just depends on who is not broken and what we need at the time.

  65. dianajc99 Says:

    wanted to read about the CA fires and this was on the right

  66. H Says:

    I think both Gabby and Aly have done a great comeback compared to others that have tried before. Gabby may have a lot of pressure on her shoulders that we are not aware of. So I personally think she deserves some slakk. She is who she is and I dont think she has had it easy being the senter of the family. Different personalities coupe differently with challenges, and she is in a periode if her life where she is about to find herself beyond the successfull 2012 Olympian, and everything that came along with winning at a young age. And maybe the feeling that she has to “pay back” to her family for any sacrifies they went through to finance her journey.

    When that is said, based on present results and execution she is not deserving the second AA spot. But still belongs on the team because she is a good on all events, just not superior on any specific events.

    Right now I think the team should be Simone, Aly, Laurie, Gabby and Locklear. But if they are afraid of injuries, Skinner is probably the safest pick as the fifth person who can step in on any event. Maddie, Maggie, and even Mels seems more prone to injuries than Skinner.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Actually she does not belong on the team based on your criteria. If she brings nothing to a 3 up 3 count t she really brings nothing to the team. Every girl on this team is under pressure it’s not anyone else’s fault her mother is in this for some fame that does not entitle Gabby an Olympic spot.

      • H Says:

        Gabby is good as the fourth person in qualification, and can step in on any event if someone got injured for TF? But who’s on your current team based on current performance?

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        It’s too early. Nationals doesn’t matter. Ask Jana Bieger who hit every UB routine til camp. That’s my point. Gabby is not a lock based on what we have seen so far and she hasn’t earned anything. Simone is the only lock. Anyone picking a team.based on night one of Nationals knowing how Marta does things is an idiot. I said earlier if I picking the team based on scores night one I would take the first 3 AAERS and the 2 UB specialists. Kocian can do AA in prelims but that’s not how things are done.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I changed my mind. We bring the top 3 AA from day 1 plus Kocian and Skinner which covers 5 AA gymnasts on the team even if they aren’t good but it gives us an UB specialist and a third Amanar or a second Chang and a chance at 2 more event finals medals and Aly gets to do the UB in prelims and no Kocian vaulting. No skinner on bars.

      • Gymbot Says:

        Peaking now is great for Laurie and Aly but there are three more competitions and the secret ranch camp so a lot of time remains for the gymnasts who are gunning for the all around to prove themselves

        GD arguably had a bad competition – but despite that she is probably top three on bars, especially when you consider Locklear and Kocian cannot exist on the same team. Plus he back up point by H. However I don’t ink she has secured the aa spot. Hence the last minute upgrades

      • H Says:

        I keep forgetting about the final camp .. yes anything can happen there. Anyone knows what is the latest time they can bring in an alternate. The last podium training?

      • Ilanchik20 Says:

        Right up until the podium training begins.

        In 2008, when Sam got injured 30 minutes before podium training for the U.S, it was too late to switch her, even if Marta wanted to. The alternates were nowhere close.

      • H Says:

        Thanks Ilanchik20, hopefully they have learned seems like a strange strategy if the alternate is not as close by as possible during the hours before podium training.

      • H Says:

        @gtt 馃檪 Smart women;-)

  67. JAS4 Says:

    Anyone else a little suspicious that Marta supposedly told Maggie to only do UB and BB (her weaker events) even though she can apparently do AA? It reminds me of when she told Chellsie to only do beam in 2012 (which was the event she was having the most trouble on) even though she was looking good on her other events? I know Maggie is coming off of injury but I really think it might have been better if she did AA. I wonder if she will consider doing AA on Sunday night? Her BB was shaky last night and I thought her UB score was a little low compared to what some others (Gabby in particular) were scored. If she can safely do AA tomorrow then it might be a good way to make sure she doesn’t get pushed a side.

    • Roc铆o Mart铆nez L贸pez Says:

      I know the rule of “never trust Martha” but in this case I think Maggie is saving herself. Her injury was certainly very important and the P&G are not as important as Trials. So I think it’s important for her to save herself if she thinks she is at risk of re-injuring herself or of having a setback if she does the AA now.

    • Tortuga Says:

      I can see it as a benefit to rest her two power events to not risk another injury by pushing too hard too fast. I don’t see her not making trials so I’m not too worried. She already has established that she’s consistent and reliable as long as she can stay healthy. Last night wasn’t stellar but it’s not the end of the world to make mistakes at this point. If she can bring at trials she still has a good shot. Depends on how she stacks up against Laurie.

  68. Tortuga Says:

    Saw this on Tumblr and I’ve thought about it before. It actually makes a lot sense. Seeing that Gabby will definitely be on the team this is a pretty good solution and keeps everyone working really hard for that second AA spot.

    Your Arguments are Invalid: The case against bringing a 1 event gymnast
    Ashton Locklear is a fantastic gymnast. With one of the most beautiful, dynamic, difficult uneven bar routines in the world, I understand the appeal in wanting to put her on the Olympic Team. But with that being said, it simply doesn鈥檛 make sense. And despite my best efforts to convey this 140 characters at a time, people still clearly don鈥檛 understand why at this point, sending Ashton is illogical. So I鈥檝e decided to breakdown every pro-Ashton argument I鈥檝e seen and explain the issues with each of them.

    Argument #1: Ashton is a shoo in for Uneven Bars Gold (or at least a medal).
    No. She鈥檚 not. While Ashton鈥檚 set is gorgeous, athletes like Becky Downie, Tan Jiaxin, Shang Chunsong, Liu Tingting, Fan Yilin, Daria Spiridonova, Aliya Mustafina, Natalia Kapitonova, Angelina Melnikova, Elisabeth Seitz and others all have the potential to outscore her. While it is true that Ashton has posted the highest score on bars in 2016, we should remember that the US Classics (where Ashton earned her 15.85) is typically one of the highest scoring events each year while athletes at Chinese Nationals (where Fan Yilin earned a 15.734) are consistently underscored. Is it possible that Ashton could win a bars medal? Absolutely. Is it guaranteed? Not even close.

    Argument #2: Marta would never pass up an opportunity for an event final medal. The US will already lead by several points, so her real focus is who will place well in Event Finals. Just look at McKayla Maroney!
    First of all, Marta has said numerous times that the focus is the team. 100%. The needs of the team matter to her more than EF potential, and she鈥檚 made this incredibly clear throughout her career. It鈥檚 not up for debate. McKayla Maroney is not proof that Marta will put people on teams for their EF potential alone; there are several issues with that argument. McKayla鈥檚 Amanar outscored the 鈥渓ocks鈥 on the team significantly and consistently. Her floor was also considered an asset and discussed to go up in team finals, prior to her injury. She trained all 4 events and placed 12th in the World AA in 2011, while Ashton hasn鈥檛 vaulted in like, 3 years. McKayla WAS a shoo-in for Gold and we鈥檝e just established that Ashton is not. Apples and Oranges, kids.

    Argument #3: The USA is weak on bars and simply MUST have a specialist to contribute to the team score.
    It doesn鈥檛 matter what events you score the points on, just that you score them. There鈥檚 no Olympic Gold Medal for 鈥淗ighest Team Bars Score鈥. And if you take the top 4 All Arounders from Day 1 of P&Gs and add Ashton as the 5th member, guess what? Bars is still the USA鈥檚 lowest scoring event. We should be focused on the overall impact of the athlete on the team, not if they can improve our scores on 1 event.

    Argument #4: Ashton鈥檚 bars make the most meaningful addition to a team of Simone, Aly, Gabby and Laurie.
    Nope. Maggie is, without a doubt, the athlete who can add the biggest advantage to this team. Assuming Maggie can get into 2015 shape (which most insiders say is highly likely, if not guaranteed), she adds about 1.04 to this team on VT, UB & FX, while Ashton adds .71. Madison Kocian, who has the ability to compete all 4 events if needed, adds .62 with her bar score. The math will change as more scores come in, but I suspect the results will remain the same.

    Argument #5: We don鈥檛 need 5 athletes who can compete All Around in case something happens, because that鈥檚 what alternates are for.
    I highly encourage you to listen to this episode of Gymcastic. Team Doctor Larry Nassar explains that if an Olympic Athlete is replaced, she is forced to leave the Olympic Village immediately (per IOC), has to give back all of her gear, and it鈥檚 a generally traumatic experience. After it happened to Morgan White in 2000, USAG essentially said 鈥渘ever again鈥. The goal becomes 鈥渏ust getting them through.鈥 This is likely why people like McKayla Maroney & Chellsie Memmel were not replaced, despite having significant injuries that hindered their ability to perform. You also cannot replace an athlete after the opening ceremonies, so the alternates become kind of irrelevant if anyone is injured after that point. At EVERY SINGLE OLYMPICS in this millennium the US team has made last minute lineup changes due to injuries. If an athlete goes down, the US needs a 鈥渂uilt in alternate鈥 who can step up to the plate. Kyla Ross played that role beautifully in 2012, filling in on floor after McKayla got hurt. What would the US have done if Anna Li would have been the 5th member of the team?

    Argument #6: Well鈥 you can鈥檛 do any better than Ashton!
    This one, while undeniably true, is equally as flawed because it鈥檚 irrelevant. Ashton鈥檚 not competing against ME for the Olympic team. Lol. While I couldn鈥檛 do a kip if my life depended on it, you know what I am pretty good at? Correctly predicting Olympic Teams. I called the 2012 team in March. I don鈥檛 dislike Ashton at all. On the contrary actually. I WISH there was room for her. But it just doesn鈥檛 make sense to put someone who hasn鈥檛 competed a floor routine as a senior elite EVER on a 5 person team. Things can always change; this is gymnastics we鈥檙e talking about. But if there鈥檚 a logical, well thought out reason to put her on the team over someone like Maggie or Madison, I鈥檝e yet to see it.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      I don’t realistically see Kutcher on this team either unless we do vt/ FL and ub/bb and 3 AA gymnasts and I would still take Kocian over her. Neither girl is winning UB gold unless others falter. Chinese have upgraded. Gb has upgraded , we have not

    • H Says:

      ugh! dont rub it in. I really wanted Locklear on this team:-)

      • Tortuga Says:

        I like Locklear’s bars a lot, but the medal potential on bars for either American is pretty low unfortunately. And I worry about something like qualifications at 2015 worlds happening again. Bringing two specialists and one of them falls (Brenna). I guess I’m a sucker for this second AA duke out.

    • Gymbot Says:

      Who adds the most depends on additional assumptions. If biles performs bars in team finals, then Nichols on floor and vault contributes more. If biles doesn’t compete bars in team finals, Locklear technically adds the most, but Kocian and Locklear are essentially interchangeable for just bars, about a tenth difference.

    • tennisgrl456 Says:

      I saw that on tumblr as well. I still think that so long as Maggie is consistent and healthy that she’ll get the 5th spot on the team and it will be Simone, Aly, Gabby, Laurie, and Maggie. In this situation I think there would be a repeat of what happened in 2015 in that Maggie would be used on bars in TF but not in prelims. Who Marta would give the third AA spot to in prelims would be interesting but in this scenario, I would have these line ups for TF:

      VT: Maggie, Aly, Simone
      UB: Maggie, Laurie, Gabby (might as well maximize her overscoring)
      BB: Aly, Laurie, Simone
      FX: Laurie, Aly, Simone

    • Roc铆o Mart铆nez L贸pez Says:

      I think those assumptions are valid, but it seems odd to me that Martha isn’t taking any specialists, even if we are talking about one that can do any other apparatus with certain guarantees if someone gets injuried at the last minute. She usually does. She took Marooney in 2012, a especailist that could be used in other apparatus if necessary, but who had shown lack of consistency in them in the last competitions (I remember Marooney having problems with floor, beam and UB several times in the Trials). In 2008 she took Sacramone also for her vault, but who could fill up nicely in beam and floor, but who initially wasn’t going to compete there (if I am not mistaken, Chellsie and Samantha were going in her place). In 2004 she took Annia Hatch also for her vault, because I remember her doing UB once but I think she couldn’t compete anything else. So I would find it weird for Martha to not try to get an specialist, but I agree that she won’t take someone who only have a valuable apparatus like Anna Li. She needs someone who could fill the gap in other events if needed, so I think Kocian has more chances than Ashton. Martha favours vaulters, but I have trouble believing that she would take Skinner with a floor that has scored lower than 14.1 in floor in recent international meets, who posses a bigger risk in UB and BB than Gabby and that doesn’t have a realistic chance to an EF medals (Simone is way cleaner than her and with the Koreans, Paseka, Steingruber, Dipa Karmakar, Wan Yan and others usually score higher than her). So I think she probably would take four AAers (rooting for Laurie and Maggie to go with Simone and Aly) and one specialist who could be placed in other apparatus as well as the one she dominates.

      • tennisgrl456 Says:

        I think the Maroney situation was a bit different than the Kocian/Locklear one.

        Sacramone is definitely NO comparison to the bars specialists. She went into 08 as the US’s top vaulter, the world silver medalist on floor (07), and had a beam routine with a very high SV.

        Taking Hatch/Bhardwaj on the team was a mistake, especially since people ended up injured/not judged favorably.

        If I remember correctly it was the USOC that was really pushing for Maroney to be on the team in 2012 and before getting injured she could have realistically competed in TF on floor if needed. Marta focused heavily on stacking the team with specialists on their weakest event in 2004 and that may have well cost them the gold medal. I wouldn’t say that 2008 had any specialists on the team the way that Kocian/Locklear are aiming to be…there were just a 3 eventer and a few who ended up being “specialists” due to injury. The issue with this years specialists is despite past titles, they DON’T dominate and I would not want them competing on any other event in TF. Does Marta really want to take a gymnast who can maybe get a bronze medal on their absolute best event and can’t contribute on any other event to the team?

      • Roc铆o Mart铆nez L贸pez Says:

        I see your point, tennisgirl, but I still consider Maroney as just a specialist because I didn’t see anything in Trials and Nationals that could convince me otherwise. I know that she had a powerful floor and, if I am not mistaken, she competed her floor in 2011 team finals with a good score, but in 2012 she had a lot of troubles with all her routines but vault both in Trials and Nationals. She took several scary falls, including one that got her a crack in the bones of her nose precisely on floor (I don’t remember if it was at Nationals or Trials, sorry). So even if her floor could be used, she didn’t shown that she could do it consistently that year and was taken almost exclusively for her vault. If not, based on that year’s results, probably Ebbie Price would have been a better option. (Anyone else thinks that Ebbie would have been a great addition to the 2016 team? I am honestly regretting her early retirement right now).

        Sacramone had great potential and I agree that she had more than one good event, but she was not an AA gymnast and wasn’t going to be used initially in more than one or two appartus. I wanted to mention her because I think we are focusing our conversation in Kocian being just an UB specialist like Anna Li, but she was the 5th AAer in the P&G night 1, something that, given USA’s depth, it’s an important accomplishment. She could be used with guarantees in floor and beam with routines of 5.8 (not as high as other gymnast of the team, but good enough to be used if there is any crisis) and bring potential to the team with her UB. The only event where she would never be used would be in vault and USA is covered in that regard. So I think that Martha would risk it, because she gets a specialist to boost the scores of the team in their weakest apparatus (I also think that Kocian’s chances for a medal are really low) and she could fit in several other apparatus if absolutely needed. I also think that would give her an advantage over Locklear, who can’t do two of the other apparatus and her usual E score on beam is low.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I have to add a comment on Maroney…her beam night 2 of Trials was actually really good. Her score beat Jordyns. However i do believe they were giving Jordyn lowball scores to make Gabby beat her. Nevertheless though Maroney had a good beam (not consistent), bars she fell both nights at trials i think, and solid floor. But her vault was world class and she was a solid contender for vault gold plus the amanar was worth more point wise last quad.
        Kocians bars are far from contending for a medal in Rio.

  69. dianajc99 Says:

    Lets Play a Game. Pick 3 Olympic teams 5 girls no alt, 1st one the one you WANT, 2nd and 3rd the best of the girls remaining.log there scores see how your teams fair in Rio.could we go Gold, silver,Bronze. Use the best score from either P&G’s or trials for those who have yet to do the AA.

  70. Exgymgurl Says:

    Best part of the men’s competition was seeing Hollie vise and chellsie Memel after Naddours pommel routine with baby girl Naddour!!!! She looked like she was going to die. Glad Chellsie was with her.

  71. sanitynmotion Says:

    My biggest thing was seeing how Maggie was scored so low on bars. Doesn’t bode well. I thought that was a pretty clean routine.

    Ragan didn’t do herself any favors.

    Looks like TPTB want Laurie to be this quads Kyla.

    Even the 3 stooges kind of hinted that Gabby would be going because…well she’s Gabby. Who proved she’s only usable on bars. So essentially the US will have 2 bar specialists.

    • tennisgrl456 Says:

      I don’t think it really has a positive/negative impact on her chances. She did well on bars and they know the judges from Worlds scored her well. Beam was definitely shaky but that routine would, if she made the team, just be a back up.

      As much as I love Ragan, I definitely agree with you and I see her realistically fighting for an alternate spot at this point. I was trying to think of who I would put as alternates and even THAT was hard to come up with given the depth of this group. If the team goes the way I hope it will, I can see it being Ashton/Maddie, Ragan, and Skinner. Or if Ragan continues to struggle and Amelia continues to kick ass then put Amelia in her spot. That would leave one true AA athlete, one FX/VT, and one BB/UB.

      There is no question that Gabby is going. It’s a shame bc it’s not that she is a bad gymnast, it’s just painfully obvious that her status/ability to bring in money is what has made her a lock at this point.

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