Thanks for the link. After the 2015 Worlds, I am now a Shang Chungsong fan – purely wanting the best for her after seeing her continued improvement and hearing her personal story. I hope Yao is able to come back strong after her very long road to get here. The beam seemed fine? Perhaps not super strong but certainly not bad?
Ellie might have two routines, her bars difficulty went up from 5.6 to 6.3 for finals and she used to have a lot of difficult elements on beam, including a Patterson dismount. Do you know her D scores for beam? Good news for Seda and Kharenkova but I feel as if whatever they do leading up to rio they won’t make the team until some of the others are too injured or score to compete
Her D score for beam was 6.1. And just had 14.525 (6.0) on floor finals. With what she showed on vault and UB, she might be a good contender for the AA if someone else fails. I didn’t expected her to, because her scores on floor and especially on beam last year weren’t so high, but she seemed to have improved a lot this year. Even her consistency is better in my opinion. So I know that Simone is in a league of ther own, but if other figures like Melnikova or Iordache have a bad day in the AA final in Rio, if Ellie keep up with this scores, she might be a contender for bronze.
I think Seda is much more a contender than Kharenkova, because they need another AA contender if neither Aliya or Komova can do the AA or, at least, another floor/beam contender. Seda is a better choice, because Kharenkova, much like Dasha Spiridonova, is a one even gymnast. She had only a 5.5 difficulty on floor and the last time I checked, a 5.00 on vault. She is only really useful on beam and she has many consistency problems in the event. But Seda has a 6.4 on beam (Kharenkova has 6.3), a DTY and a floor around 6, with a good UB too. She can be useful in any event and boost the team scores in two events they definitely need help. Seda is ahead of Kharenkova in the road to Rio; she has even been chosen as the travelling alternate for the European, so that is a good sign for her. There is no way Valentina is taking Dasha to Rio. The problem for Seda is that the team is already chosen. Valentina is taking Komova if she is somewhat healthy, even if we don’t know how she is. In fact, they announced the first the four gymnasts elected for the Europeans (Aliya, Afan, Paseka and Melnikova) and reserved the last spot for Komova until the last minute. Seda has chances (I don’t think that Kharenkova has any) but only if one of the seniors get injuried. But knowing Russia and Afan, Aliya and Komova’s continuous physical problems, it is far from impossible that Seda become the substitute of any of them. But she needs to show some consistency. She didn’t fall one on Osijek, but she fell five times in the Russian Championships. If she continues falling, Valentina will probably choose a newcomer like Skrypnik or Shelgounova over her.
Yao looks pretty good here and she can stay on the beam, which this quad hasn’t been good to China. She modified her series and she doesn’t have the tuck full, but she already has all of her old skills, so it’s already a valuable routine at that. Her legs look much stronger, maybe she’ll have the missing 3rd vault and floor exercise for this team
Ellie Downie gets gold on Osijek on floor too. She got gold in the four apparatus. The Twitter account of Arabian Punch Front says that her AA score would have been 59.025 and the British Federation says that she will show some improvement in UB and vault in the European Championships. Larissa’s score for bronze in last years’ world was 59.107, so she could be a contender if she remains consistent and if those improvements are really true.
You are right that she missed them, GTT. At least two if I am not mistaken. But the World Cup judges are the closest we have now to the ones who will judge the exercises in the European Championships and the Olympics. What I want to say is that it gives us a pretty good idea of what scores we can expect in the most important meets of the year, taking into account that the judges on Rio will be much severe. She has a execution deduction of more than 1.5 points, so I think the missed handstands didn’t go unnoticed. In any case, after last year’s UB final, I lost my faith a little in the UB judges, I have to say.
Sounds like she stole Simone Biles floor music. Love her double pike front but not a fan of anything else she does. I find the entire great Britain team un-watchable especially Fragpane and whatever she calls her spastic style on floor.
Iridon didn’t technically retire. She moved to Deva, which may as well be retirement because that’s not where the senior national team trains. In theory, maybe she goes to Deva, trains with Forminte and becomes great again lol.
Nope I am going with option number 2. Maybe she’ll re-find her love of the sport. Then again I am still waiting for little Maria Bonderenko to get healthy and come back too so my timeline just might be a little bit off.
n the case of Iridion, there were rumors before, after 2015 European Championships, that she was tired and didn’t want to continue anymore. In an interview, the coach Lucian Sandu said so as well: http://www.wogymnast.com/2015/06/european-beam-champion-andreea-munteanu.html. If she had motivational problems before, with all the vitriol that Stoica and others had spew after the Test Event and the ups and downs that the Romanian federation has experimented since 2015 (including the return of Bellu and Bitang, who don´t seem to be exactly nurturing), I wouldn’t be surprised if she really decided to call it quits, to be honest.
Let’s try again without the badmouthing. The link with the information (I forgot last night, sorry) is this: http://www.wogymnast.com/2016/04/after-romanias-failure-to-qualify-full.html. In the case of Iridion, there were rumors before, after 2015 European Championships, that she was tired and didn’t want to continue anymore. In an interview, the coach Lucian Sandu said so as well: http://www.wogymnast.com/2015/06/european-beam-champion-andreea-munteanu.html. If she had motivational problems before, with all the vitriol that Stoica and others had spew after the Test Event and the ups and downs that the Romanian federation has experimented since 2015 (including the return of Bellu and Bitang, who don´t seem to be exactly nurturing), I wouldn’t be surprised if she really decided to call it quits, to be honest.
Your comment was in moderation. I have like 6 of the same comment waiting for my approval.lol Next time just let me know you posted something and I’ll check. More than one link automatically goes to moderation because wordpress considers that spam. This is a wordpress thing not me but the spam thing here is so good I will never complain.
Still sorry, hehe. He also sent an email full of jjjjjjjjjj to my thesis director once because he wanted to sleep over the keyboard while I was going to the bathroom. Fortunately, my thesis director was more amused that anything else when I explained it to him.
Well, I want to be a college professor in History, so I need my Ph.D. I am a junior assistant professor (I think that’s the equivalent in English, but I am not so sure) in a college in Madrid, so I hope I will make it, even when it is not one of the most lucrative careers in the world, hehe. Wish you all the luck in the world, Ilanchik! And thanks for the encouragement, Gymbot! 🙂
I feel so out of it anymore. You guys talk Iridons and Fragapanes and Sedas and I don’t even know really who you are talking about.
I do remember Yao Jinnan. Didn’t she do that insane release on bars once, the Mao or whatever? I hope she comes back 100% in Rio. I remember she could be an AA threat. Anyone to take GD off the podium, please please…
I would like to think I am more enlightened then you but I am not really. I know Andreea because she was too cute a few years ago and had like a 6.4 start value on bars she always fell on. I was hoping she would get it together, she never did and they lowered her start value to like a 5.8. Frag i know because she’s a spastic dancer and everyone loved her routine and I was like, WTF are you people looking at and I know Seda from falling all the time.
Oh start a blog and look for idea’s to use. That will help you out.
I got the Spanish coverage of the qualifications. They didn’t follow Gabby that closely, so I had to watch the NBC coverage when you begin to talk about GD years ago and I still can’t believe she really said that. Or that she, looking at it from some years and distance, hasn’t apologized about that yet, even if it is only for her own PR’s sake.
Her giants don’t look half bad for someone who supposedly hasn’t trained bars in 12 years. I guess she’s going for the full AA to up her Rio chances. Honestly both Iordache and Ponor have similar strengths. But I still think Larisa has a stronger AA than Ponor.
I gotta say though. Ponor is putting a ton of retired gymnasts to shame. This girl is late twenties, “retired” multiple times, and is going ham on these routines. Her natural ability and form have not faultered much. And the fact that she can “bounce back” from retirement like this is impressive. Which makes the Romanian situation even more disappointing and sad. 😦
I can’t imagine that she would actually compete bars but I guess with Ponor, anything is possible.
I do think those Giants looks serviceable. But trying bars would take away time from upgrading beam and floor, which is what she needs to do so im not sure it’s a good idea. But it’s clear, she wants that spot lol
Also, no Larisa for Euro’s (for now, anyways). I kind of wonder how hee recovery is going. Are there any meets after Euro’s, before Olympics? Does anyone knows?
Olympics should not be your first competitive meet of the season, not even Larisa’s.
I don’t know if there are more meets before the Olympics. Official meets, anyway. I know there is a couple of friendly meets in the horizon, but I don’t know if Romania is going to compete on them.
I was surprised to see Cata on bars. I have never seen her compete them and I doubt I would see her now. But I suppose she probably had a basic set she could present at a competition as absolutely last resort, as it would always better to present a UB bar set of, say, a score of 10.000 than count a zero. In any case, if she is in fact training UB (something that I doubt) I think is more probable that she is training them to boost the team score in the Euros than to compete against Larissa. If she really believed she can be an AA contender with her bars, she would have tried to do them back in 2004 and would have probably won more than one medal. But she might have a higher score than some of her actual team members, even with her “only for emergencies” set. Holbura and Vulcan had scores in a good day arond 12.000. And I don’t think that Romania could bear to fail at the Euros too, so maybe she is traying to have a plan B on place, because neither Iridon, Jurca or Iordache, who are better on UB, are listed even as alternates.
Looks like Ponor will be a “reserve” in case Iordache cannot compete to her highest level. I don’t see Ponor taking it from Iordache; I see Ponor wanting to be sure her country has the most adequate representation.
I can’t help but wish Ponor could go, but not at the expense of Iordache.
What the hell, Romania. Used to be so dominant but now can’t even qualify a country to the Olympics in gymnastics. I’m still shocked.
Geez, Romania will have officially hit rock-bottom if they’re forcing Ponor to compete BARS because they have no one else that could possibly come up with a decent UB score. It would be like China relying on Cheng Fei to compete bars for them in the desperate hopes of a medal.
Ponor has to maintain herself in top condition. I do think that Iordache will be the chosen one, but she has to be ready in case she is still injuried/reinjuries herself. And Ponor will be the leader of the team in the Europeans and would be to add insult to injury if they don’t win any medals in the European Championships.
I am sad for Romania’s absence of the Olympics, but I think that something like this had to happen for them to change and even in this situation they seems to be resisting said change. With Iordache, they would have qualified, because I think Romania was like four points behind the last qualifier, France; Iordache has scores in the mid 14.000 for all the apparatuses and, in the Test Events, they had to add scores of low 12.000 so if Iordache would have scored as usual just in two events, Romania would have been in Rio (the Final is other story). But they can’t keep doing these things. They need to adapt to the times. And if Ponor really does bars in the Europeans because she is their last resort in an event she has never competed in a Worlds or Olympics but in dire circumstances, then I will know that Romania, like Ukraine, is over. If they are so desperate, in the moment Iordache and Ponor retire, they will never come back, so the Romanian Federation better began to work to fix this mess.
Are you the Giants fan that tried to mock me a few months ago? I forget I think it was you:)
I still like Pablo and what they are doing to him is unfair. The media controls the big mouths in this city and sadly this is what you get when something like this happens. No one is capable of thinking for themselves.
He didn’t have a bad spring training if I remember correctly but Shaw had a great one and poor Pablo got sandbagged by the idiotic pro democrat mentality of Massachusetts that money is bad and sap stories are good and these idiots are rich so figure that one out.
It’s a sad situation and Pablo didn’t make it better by coming into camp with a big belly (especially with Hanley looking as great as he does) but the fat shaming that is happening here is appaling especially since Pablo has made some great plays in the field that no one seems to remember. It’s sad that this is the one form of discrimination still acceptable in society by adults.
We will never know what he could have done if he had been allowed to play. At least Hanley got a fair shot at redemption that IMO he and pablo didn’t even need.
I HATE the media in this town and even more I hate the idiot radio listeners that let the idiots of our media dictate what everyone thinks.
Boston media is the worst in the business. Even worse than NY.
yup i’m the giants fan.. I actually miss the panda.I cant wear my hat at the park anymore.
But you have to admit for a highly paid professional athlete with his own personal chef shouldn’t be having these problems in season.
If she manages to present an exercise of plus 12.000 on UB after not compiting it for almost all her senior carreer, I don’t know if I’ll applaud her because she would be a kickass goddess and we all should worship her or I’d want to smack her for not doing UB back in 2004 when, with her scores in vault, beam and floor, she could have been an AA medalist easily.
It was the old code. With consistency, even with “meh” UB, she could have made it. It was not like now that it is impossible for her to compete with a 12.000 UB with people with scores of +14.000 because the difference would be enormous. In 2004, in the podium were Carly, Sveta and Zhang Nan. Carly had a total of 38.387, Sveta 38.211 and Nan 38.049. Cata had in the team final, without UB, 28.962. With an UB of 9.287, the lowest score of a Romanian in the qualifications that year (Alexandra Eremia), a score fairly low for the time, she would have had 38.249. She would have been silver in the AA. Even with a lower score, like 9.100, she would have been bronze. (Thanks to Wikipedia and its great tables of scores of the past Olympics and World Championships). So I saw her videos and I thought: “Dammit, woman! You could have been even more succesful in 2004”. If she can pull this after just months of full training and after three years of retirement, I am sure she could have presented a fairly consistent exercise of 9.000 or 9.100 back in 2004.
Looking at Ponor’s swing, makes me angry she didn’t do bars in 2004. But I wonder if she closed se to stop training them so she could focus on beam/floor and she got gold on both so I guess it worked. She also wasn’t as much of a stand as she is now so I think it was a strategy.
Alternatively, I think in an interview last year, she said bars always scared her and she didn’t have good basics (much like Asac) so perhaps she stopped bars to avoid injury. Romania had more usable bars them. But now, after seeing Romanian gymnastics in ruins, and with nothing to loose, maybe she decided it was worth. Even if she doesn’t make AA on a big stage, I would love to see her compete bars at some friendly meet, just to she has awesome she is haha
If she does UB on the Europeans, I will have a heart attack. But is she is really training UB at her age, after two retirements, without being training for long after her last injury and she pulls this off, she will be the Queen of awesomesness.
Not sure if anyone remembers Taylor Lindsay-Noel. She was a Canadian gymnast who suffered a spinal injury in 2008. This is a documentary that she and a few of herdlassmates created on her story. Sad but so powerful. I hope her coach is no longer coaching but he probably is.
Oh my gosh, I can’t believe I hadn’t heard of her. It’s unbelievable that her coach showed no remorse. I wrote an article for a nonfiction class last year about the dark side of gymnastics. I wish had known her story then to include it. So sad 😦
Illanchick do you have a link to Lindsay’s podcast? She’s inspiring. Such a great attitude and she carries herself so well (no pun intended). He form wasn’t the best as a gymnast but she was still really young when it happened and had lots of time to polish her skills. But a double layout at 14 isn’t that a pretty big deal? I feel so awful for her and I’d love to punch her coach in the face for asking a gymnast to attempt a skill he didn’t even know how to coach. No successful elite coach would ever ask a gymnast do a skill without proper training, that just boggles me.
What I don’t understand is why was she even doing this skill over a mat…don’t they have it where if you’re training a new dismount, you dismount into a pit of foam blocks? This injury wouldn’t have happened had the coach had the proper equipment or used common sense. A new dismount and she was training it on a mat? Like are you kidding me?
I feel like I read or heard somewhere close that the gym was being renovated so there wasn’t proper safety mats available which is why she was trying on just the simple mat. But like, if that’s the case, don’t have someone train a new skill they are scared off and one that hasn’t been competed internationally at that point? Makes me angry for her.
She seems to say that literally, but I think that is more that those were the girls she grew up with and were her real friends, in a way that her present teammates, ten years or more younger than her and with which she has no relationship with until she came out of retirement, could never be.
Yeah these were probably her best friends/training mates. Not to rule out they were top-notch like best in the world. Now she’s part of a team that’s probably so deflated and down that they are no longer even close to being a powerhouse, and almost a joke. It’s not really their fault either so I’m sure there’s a ton of negativity going on behind the scenes.
She probably feels alone.
Okay, that’s beyond simply being playing around. What the hell? Is she aiming for the AA twelve years after she should have or is Romania so desperate that they are encouraging her to not embarrass themselves in the Euros? This year in the Euros there is only team final (no AA).
My guess is that she is trying to up her chances to be selected for Rio. I think if this was only about the team, she would have trained them for the test event. I do think Romania is desperate and if Larissa can’t go, with a descent bars set, Cata can at least make AA final, making Romania look a little better.
I do think it’s more than playing and she is trying to figure if she could pull it off. I’m guessing she trains a bars a little to see if she could do it, without them being her major thing she trains because bees is not where she can get a medal lol
I want to know who is coaching her on bars? Haha.
But ahh, why couldn’t she do them in 2004. Her form looks decent. Now I blame Belu and Bitang.
I agree with you both. Maybe she is trying to get something halfway decent to compete AA if necessary, because even mediocre bars would get her in the AA with her scores in beam, vault and floor. Not in medal contention, but in the AA final for sure. Iordache would still be the best option, but if Larissa’s injuries are worse than we know, as Exgymgurl suggest, she is Romania’s plan B. But I would be royally pissed if after 2004, when she was the absolute Queen with Khorkina, she pulls off an UB bars routine that could have given her a place in the AA podium in the past.
In any case, she is not playing at all. We well see what comes out of this at the end, but she is up for something. Let’s see what happens tomorrow. BTW, Romania’s team is in Madrid for a friedly meeting with Spain. Cata is not coming, but the rest of the (healthy) team is coming, incluying Bulimar. I’ll try to go and see them, but I work tomorrow, so I don’t know if I’ll be able to.
That what they said, Gymbot, but she is definitely not back to competitions. She is not in the rooster for the Europeans and she is not going to any friendly meets for the moment. She is maybe trying to make up for the lost time focusing only in training or needs some more time after her injury to regain her previous level.
Romania lost to SPAIN in the friedly meeting today and got bronze in the AA after Ana Pérez and Claudia Colom. Man, they are screwed. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to critize my country and we had our moments, but we are very far from being a superpower in gymnastics right now. We haven’t even been able to classify for the Olympics and they had three of the people who are going to the Europeans competing (Bulimar and Iordache didn’t, but they are in Madrid… there are pictures of them watching Nadal’s game against Murray).
Russia is sending the team they are probably sending to the Olympics sans Komova. In theory, is a pretty powerful team in all apparatus but on floor. The main problem I see is that we don’t know what they are capable of doing right now, because two of the most important members of the team, Aliya and Afan, have been injuried for a long time. If Aliya has recovered her previous health and her Baku’s level, she is pretty reliable and capable of achieving several medals. If Afan is healthy as well, she can be used on vault and beam and can conquer floor and Melnikova is very good. But if Aliya and Afan are still not in good enough shape, this could be GB’s Europeans. Maybe, if Romania is not better, can be Russia, GB and even the Netherlands in the podium.
I think is a new vault she wants to be named after herself. I am not sure of its value. Is it a double twisting layout Rudi? It seems to me like a Rudi with an extra half twist. A Rudi is 6.2 with the new code, but I don’t know how much extra value would it have with another twist. Maybe another 0.5?
Could be 0.5, all of the handspring vaults seem to increase 0.4 per half twist beginning with the handspring front layout, at 5.0. So at least 6.6 is my guess. Either way it will give her a chance a medal once it’s consistent
In 2015’s quals it was a DTY, 5.8. If her new vault is credited, I doubt she can present both the new vault and the Rudi, as they probably would be considered of the same family. Then, 5.8+6.6-6.7. Simone, Paseka and Hong would have a maximum of 12.6 difficulty with both vaults, and Giulia around 12.4, depending of the value they would give to the new vault. It could be higher and Giulia is very clean in her DTY (she had a 9.100 in Europeans last year) so they would be very close. And if Dipa lands her Produnova with a 7.00 value, she has another 6.00 vault. So I think this Olympics’ vault final will be very interesting.
That crossed my mind too because she’s just looked so different lately that I’m not sure it would be possible for it to be current. I guess we’ll find out eventually when there’s an actual recent sighting of her.