Japan Junior Results


All Around
Event Finals

Interesting to see the scores at this meet. No videos but for lower start values these scores seem high. It’s also interesting to see how Jazmyn is scored outside the US verses in. I never got the hype of this girl and thought she got lucky everyone was injured last year.


Kerri Strug “threw some shade” at Bela in this video but I am too tired to watch.



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118 Responses to “Japan Junior Results”

  1. JAS4 Says:

    What are your thoughts on Laurie and Jazmyn’s potential next year? I imagine they will be doing as much upgrading and possible but they will have a lot to prove if they want to compete with the current seniors.

    • Tortuga Says:

      I think both of them will probably get lost in the shuffle. GTT said she thought Jazmyn just got lucky last year at Nationals with everyone injured and I felt the same way. But I’m also wondering how much the field will change next year. Will seniors start dropping like flies and some juniors will step up and take over? It’s crazy to think we will probably have the first repeat olympian in 16 years on the Rio team. I didn’t really think it would actually happen this time around.

      • Short1 Says:

        “But I’m also wondering how much the field will change next year. Will seniors start dropping like flies and some juniors will step up and take over?”

        @Tortuga I’m wondering the same thing. Even though I certainly wouldn’t wish an injury on anyone, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are one or two that injure out or are hampered by injury/trying to come back from injury and are more or less out of the running because of it. Or, depending on how Worlds goes (or who does or doesn’t end up making the team) I wonder if there could be one or two seniors who will just decide to cut their losses (so to speak) and go off to college?

      • ilanchik20 Says:

        I think some should cut their losses and go to college and be amazing there (a la Ebbie). If Maggie, Maddie (both of them), Brenna and Alyssa don’t make the World’s team, they should all go to college. Plus any one/two event dos is lists should also go to college. I’m pretty sure though, none of them will. Maybe Kyla but the rest I bet will stay.

        The way I see it: only people who can do AA and have 2-3 top 3 events will be on the Rio team (unless you are Gabby of course lol). Sigh.

        The other two juniors I think may have a chance are Sydney and Christina Desiderio. Unfortunately for them, they and Ragan all have beam/floor as their top events but so is Aly Plus Norah got beam too. Crazy, so I guess maybe not haha.

    • Katie D Says:

      I agree, I think they’ll get lost in the shuffle. They’re both solid all arounders which is, right now, not what the US needs. This is providing they all stay healthy, but I could see someone like Ragan Smith having a better shot at making the team. She may not be as strong in the AA (yet), but she has stand out events and is a Marta Favorite, which we all know goes a long way.

      • ilanchik20 Says:

        I kind of agree. Too many great AA’s unfortunately. I know we talked about it so many times but I predict that Ragan and Norah will have the biggest chance to make the team:

        1) Ragan–because of her standout beam/flood and Marta loves her! And if Key doesn’t make a World’s team this year, I think that increases Ragan’c chances because I think Marta will want to take Kim’s athlete, if she can.

        2) Norah–her beam/bars, and she will likely have an improved floor. Plus NBC has been calling Norah Shawn’s mini-Shawn since Norah first become an elite. Actually Shawn called her that herself in 2013 nationals so that’ll get some attention for the media lol. And we all know what happens when you are a mini-mi lol (a la Raisman, haha).

        If Marta takes the nominative list to Worlds, that leaves more than spot for new juniors next year so maybe that’s Marta’s plan all along haha.

      • G Says:

        Yeah I see Ragan making the team over them. Marta seems to like her and she definitely has room to upgrade. Jazzy is forgettable to me and Laurie would be too if it weren’t for her floor.

      • Katie D Says:

        Yep, no way will Madison K or Brenna D go near the Rio team and I don’t see MyKayla making it either. I think based on how she performs at Worlds, Maggie will either seal her fate (and be banished with Brenna to Oklahoma) or keep herself in the running for a possible final spot/alternate spot for Rio.

        Norah has always been a fav of mine and I can’t WAIT to see her next year. She’s obviously had injuries but Chow knows what he is doing. If she is back in competition shape I could see her filling the role that Kyla did in 2012, only with a much more difficult beam/shot to medal.

        Assuming she doesn’t grow a 6-8 inches in a year, I think Ragan stands a solid chance. Marta has obviously seen something in her for YEARS, and we know what that can do for a gymnast. I think it’s been better for her NOT to be #1 in the junior ranks…fans of the sport know that she’s great, but she doesn’t have the pressure of going into the Olympic year as the one winning everything/the one to watch.

      • G Says:

        Yes, I really want Norah on the team and I think when she resurfaces, she’ll have loads of upgrades.

      • Katie D Says:

        I’m crossing my fingers that Norah come back with an even more killer beam routine and an amazing bars set (plus good beam and a solid DTY…I think the other 4 team members will have Amanars and if she makes the team, it won’t be for AA, so now need for another Chowmanar). We NEED another Olympics with Chow AND Mihai 😉

      • ilanchik20 Says:

        I love Norah! I’m certain (hoping) that she comes back with killer beam and bars. She competed a DTY in Jesolo so hopefully she’ll just make it more consistent next year.

        She showed some upgrades on bars during the Gymnastike thing (including a ray dismount) they filmed there last year, which she didn’t compete in Jesolo so I think those will happen next year.

        #fingers crossed.

  2. PinkRibbon Says:

    Jazzy’s camp wasn’t very happy with the results at US Nats. They think “the second place finisher on day one” was favorably scored on day two. They really wanted Jaz to win the JJJ meet to prove it but she fell off bars and her form was hammered by the international judges. Not all as happy in the MG family like they act it is when the camera is around.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Jazzy’s camp is delusional. She is always overscored in the US and gets fairer results outside of. Laurie as overscored based on normal start value and I doubt she will see those scores with a 5.7 beam next year.

    • Katie D Says:

      Are you close with the MG Elite camp? I’ve always thought that they couldn’t be as happy as they seem when the cameras are around. I mean, how could they be? They have two juniors with basically the same strengths (although Laurie is relatively more memorable), who are both turning senior next year, who (barring injury) will most likely make it to nationals and trials. Both are AA gymnasts and there is no POSSIBLE way that they will both make the team. In the BEST case scenario I could see Laurie making the team and Jazzy being an alternate, but that would require them to upgrade massively and for other gymnasts to get hurt.

      They may be best friends but they have to know (realistically) that it’s going to be a hell of a fight for even one of them to come close to making that team. And if one of them does (even as an alternate), we know who it will be.

      I will say that they both have the potential to KILL IT in NCAA. Florida is going to be lucky to have them.

  3. ilanchik20 Says:

    I like both of them. Laurie has potential. But I think it would be harder for her to make a Rio team because her biggest strength is AA and we just have too many of those as we know lol. I guess, if she keeps on improving her bars and floor-then maybe but I still think Norah and Ragan have a better chance.

  4. gymnerd Says:

    Gads, 20 years later and Strug(‘s voice) is still as annoying as ever.

    • G Says:

      I really don’t understand how an adult has that voice? I would say it’s because she’s short but I’m 4’9 and my voice is normal tone.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      I know – I think it’s just hereditary, who knows. Can vocal chord growth be stunted? It’s just an unfortunate voice.

    • Lithi Says:

      You almost expect her to start singing about representing the Lollipop Guild.

    • Cee Says:

      I believe it has to do with the length of the vocal chords.

      • Katie D Says:

        It can be genetic and it can also be due the vocal cords being stretched too tightly by the failure to develop to develop a thickening of the voice box, which usually happens sometime during puberty.

        I know some people with higher pitched voices who are of “average” height (granted, not that high), but I think that is just how her voice evolved (or failed to evolve). I actually didn’t find it too bad in this interview…you can definitely tell that she was projecting her full voice and not intentionally speaking in a high pitched squeaky voice, and there were points that it sounded (relatively) normal in comparison to past interviews.

        She COULD do voice training to try to alter her voice, but since she can speak in a manner that is fluent and can be understood, I don’t see any reason for her to waste the time.

  5. mim Says:

    Nominative list out, of course subject to change.

    Simone, Gabby, Aly, Maggie, Mykayla, Madison and Brenna.

    I don’t think ANY of us listed this combination, did we haha.

    • gymbot Says:

      yikes lol. I’m happy for Brenna but really really really surprised Key is not on this team. Also bummed about Kyla.

      • Tortuga Says:

        I totally agree, I’m a bit surprised Brenna is listed but not Key. But nominative lists don’t mean diddly squat really. It’s too bad we could send two or three teams with our depth. If Brenna makes it I will be really happy for her cause she has been wanting this redemption for some time but she’s a risk with her inconsistency. We just have sooo many AAs we could have another 2013 and just have four team members compete all four events in quals and duke it out for all around spots. And basically have two traveling alternates on the team (like Brenna 2013). None of our specialists are really spectacular will win gold material anyway. And we don’t even need the extra cushion with Simone. Plus it would be neat to see how Simone, Maggie, Aly and Gabby all fair against each other with international judges. How many go up in quals? 5 or 4? I’d like to see Key do AA as well.

      • G Says:

        No Key is definitely the shock. I’ll bet Kyla and her coaches were included in the decision to keep her home, or at least made to think that they were. 😉

        Happy that Brenna is on there though, but to echo everyone else, she’s the alternate without question unless Kocian hurts herself (which isn’t super unlikely). I just can’t believe that Skinner might make 2 worlds teams lol, good for her I guess.

        I wonder if the list will change all? I can see Key replacing someone if she does well at camp.

      • H Says:

        I am happy for Brenna. The nominative list seems to maximizing the possibility for ind medals. And that Lockhart is out of contention? She looked good at PG but she didn’t place top 3 UB at camp as far as I know(?)
        I like this team. For me it makes sense. But I dont see it as the perfect strategic solution considering that the Olympics is the ultimate goal. How do you see it?

      • Katie D Says:

        I see it as Marta leaving room for 2000 babies, and (I mentioned this in another post) as a sort of message to Key that she doesn’t have the difficulty she needs to be considered for the Olympic team. I wouldn’t be surprised if she flat out told her that she needed her Amanar back and needed to upgrade her beam if she wanted to be considered for the team, given the fact that everyone else on the nominative list (aside from the bars specialist) has an Amanar or a Cheng.

        I don’t see Maddie or Brenna as threats for 2016 and I honestly can’t see Skinner making the team either. That would leave Aly, Gabby, Maggie, and Simone. A healthy Simone is a lock, but having the other 3 fight for the other AA spot this year seems like a great strategy when it comes to beginning to piece together the puzzle for next year. She can also see if Maggie can stay consistent and keep hitting at what will be the biggest meet of her life. If she chokes, I’d say she’s on way to Oklahoma. If not, I still see her in the running for next year.

        Based on the order that the 4 AA place, I can see Marta keeping the top 3 in her mind as the “base” of the team for next year and watching them very closely. Since I’m not a huge fan of her gymnastics, I’m hoping the 4th person is Gabby and she ends up being in the situation that Ebee was in 2012. If the top 3 AA from this year stay healthy and uninjured and continue to upgrade/clean up their form, Marta has those last 2 spots to play around with. I think she wants a KZB athlete on the team, but I’ve always felt like she preferred Ragan over Bailie. This team that she selected allows for her to drop all arounders and not so spectacular specialists in favor of individuals who are not eligible to compete this year like Ragan or Norah…possibly Laurie although they don’t need another AA athlete.

        It also might bode well for Bailie in kind of a strange way. She is really good on bars and a great performer on floor and maybe being left off of this team will light a fire under her ass to get the Amanar back and work on beam. I don’t think ANYONE thought Bailie would be left off the team, but it might be exactly what she needs to get herself in a place to legitimately contend for a spot next year.

        I mentioned in my other post that Marta’s choice for this team, although not what anyone would have predicted, actually makes sense for this year and now I see it making sense for next year as well. As fucking crazy as that woman seems/is, she knows how to win.

      • Sainabou Nyang Says:

        I was surprised they have Skinner on this team. They dont need her. Alys DTY will be sufficient for their vault rotation.

    • Katie D Says:

      As shocking as this list is, it kind of makes me happy?

      I’m going to guess that if this is the team that goes, Brenna will be the alternate. That would mean that (most likely), Marta will be giving Aly, Gabby, Simone, and Maggie all a chance to do AA in qualification, with Madison doing BB/UB and Skinner doing VT/FL. Marta knows the girls have team gold locked up so it makes sense to shift her focus to individual medals. Whoever makes the AA with Simone is going to be fighting like HELL for that silver. With Aliya possibly out/coming with what won’t be her top routine AND Huang Huidan not making the cut for team China, there is actually a chance that if Madison (or one of the other AA athletes) has the routine of her life, she could manage a bronze on bars. Simone and MyKayla WILL make the vault final and if it’s true that the North Koreans aren’t going, they are threats to take at least gold and bronze (if not silver, if MyKayla does the Amanar and hits cleanly). BB will likely be Simone and Aly (same with FX), but with the AA athletes on beam and Skinner on floor, Marta has “insurance,” if you will, that a second athlete will make finals/be able to challenge for a medal in finals should one of the “expected ones” in qualifying make an uncharacteristic mistake during their routine.

      Damnit, I hate to admit it, but the more I look at it, the more it makes sense. Fucking Marta.

      But yeah, Brenna is the alternate, no question. She is literally what Maddie Desch was last year. At least they now include the traveling alternates as part of the team and give them a gold/have them up on the podium with everyone else. I guess a gold medal as an alternate is better than no medal, right?

      • ilanchik20 Says:

        Maybe. When I first saw the list, I thought, wtf? No Bailie.

        But now–if that’s the list, Maggie is the alternate in my mind. Brenna has an amanar so what is Maggie will do in TF? If Brenna and Maddie hit bars in QF, they’ll both make EF, which would give Marta 2 athletes in each final.

        This team also gives Gabby little to no chance to make any event finals so I guess I’m fine with that LOL

      • G Says:

        I hadn’t thought of Maggie as the alt but it makes sense…that would be sad for her. But you’re right that it would maximize EF medals.

      • Tortuga Says:

        But Marta loves all arounders so I see Maggie being used instead of Brenna or Skinner. I hate to see a team without Key, in favor of girls that are inconsistent, but I guess I’m old school. Key has been very consistent and clean for years and in the top. I feel like she deserves the spot on that alone. The whole strategy of building a team for max (possible) medal count hurts some more than others. In this case its the consistent all arounder’s like Maggie and Baillie in favor of giving Aly and Gabby their shots at AA and specialists like Skinner and Dowell.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Here is my problem with alleged event finals being considered Bailie was top 3 on 2 events at Nationals. Want to know how many EF medals Gabby won? ZERO. She wasn’t even top 3 on bars.

      • Katie D Says:

        Unless Maddie K breaks (which is a distinct possibility), I don’t see Marta putting Brenna anywhere but the alternate spot. Brenna getting a bars medal would essentially require her to hit cleanly in qualifying, TF, and then hitting with near perfect form (basically having the routine of her life) in finals. Has she ever hit 3 for 3 in as many days of competition?

    • Gymnast41 Says:

      Definitely happy for brenna! But for some reason I definitely think that she is going to be the alternate. Wowowow looks like Bailie will be out for blood at selection camp. Quite surprised about skinner but she DOES look good. I have to give her that despite her awful gymnastics. I’m content with this list, but I’m worried about Brenna as bailie deals with pressure really well, and brenna generally doesn’t, and marts is playing games with her. Looks like Marta is making tougher decisions on and going for whoever is the most useful when it comes to general events but necessarily AA. In that case, Aly, GD, Simone, and Maggie are basically locks and the other 2 spots are gonna be a blood bath.

  6. Katie D Says:

    China also registered their nominative team: Wang Yan, Shang Chunsong, Mao Yi, Chen Siyi, Zhu Xiaofang, Fan Yilin, and Tan Jiaxin.

    I knew that some people were saying that Huang Huidan might not make the cut this year, but I’m really shocked that she’s not an alternate.

    • Rocío Martínez López Says:

      I don’t know if she is injuried, Katie. I was rewieving the results of the China Championship, because I was surprised too, and I only see her name in UB…if she have only done that event and can’t do any other, I kind of understand why she was left at home, as it is an event they have a lot of depht. And seeing the results, almost all girls had a horrible day, because they show constantly execution scores of 7 or lower. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Chinese_Artistic_Gymnastics_Championships

      • Katie D Says:

        I’m just going to use this to reply again and tell you what I think they’ll do in TF IF Tan Jiaxin is the alternate. Your opinions? (In no particular order)

        VT: Wang Yan, Chen Siyi, (Shang Chunsong?)
        UB: Fan Yilin, Zhu Xiaofang, (Shang Chunsong?)
        BB: Fan Yilin, Shang Chunsong, (Wang Yan?)
        FX: Mao Yi, Wang Yan, Shang Chunsong

        The last spots on VT, UB, and BB are iffy. I feel like it would be a better move to make Mao Yi the alternate, but the fact that she really is sort of a “break out” first year senior there who is known for her crazy floor skills, I can’t see them leaving her off the team. If they leave Tan Jiaxin off, they’re going to lose nearly a point by having to count a FTY, plus Tan can do bars. The team is a bit scrappy as it is, and counting a FTY in team finals when you are in a close fight for silver and bronze can be the difference between silver and 4th place.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Want to know the saddest part of your comments I literally do not know any of these gymnasts except Shang and if I had to0 pick a team I wanted to win every gold it would be China.

      • Katie D Says:

        Haha…I only know Wang Yan bc she competed at the YOG and is the legit vault/floor specialist to come around since Cheng Fei. I remember Chen Siyi bc of the weird ass floor music she used last year at Worlds (I think it was something like “Moon River”) and I remember her falling and I think she also may have fallen or landed realllyyyyy low on vault. I’ve seen videos of Mao Yi circulating bc of her crazy ass tumbling passes– 3.5 twist to punch front tuck, 2.5 twist to punch 1.5 twist, Triple twist, and double tuck. And the others I looked up on The Gymternet database. I had heard of Fan Yilin, but didn’t know what she was known for.

        It turns out that Chen Siyi is officially the alternate. Based on scores, only one gymnast has a DTY (Wang Yan’s vaults are harder), and if another one does, they must perform it pretty horrifically and/or crash it every time. Chen Siyi was the only other gymnast other than Tan Jiaxin and Wang Yan capable of scoring in the high 14s/15 on vault….all of the others seem to have recorded scores in the mid to high 13s at best this year. If they want to defend the team silver title they have their work cut out for them.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I miss knowing these girls by the face. Jiang Yuyuan needs to come back and train just cuz I miss her:)

      • Katie D Says:

        Same, JYY was such a bright light on that team and aside from having great gymnastics, had such a great smile 🙂 Most I don’t/can’t recognize by face until they’ve done something memorable or if they something “unique” about them (I don’t know how else to phrase it). JYY definitely had a look that immediately made her stand out from her teammates. I feel like (even though she doesn’t have the same performance/personality qualities as JYY) Bai Yawen is the same way. I saw a video of her beam before worlds last year and now I can easily recognize her face.

        The only other one I can absolutely say that I could pick out of a line up of gymnasts is Chen Siyi, but for all the wrong reasons. I see her and I immediately think, “Oh, she’s the one with the painful to watch floor routine to that awful music that didn’t fit at all.”

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        JYY is missed by me https://gymtruthteller.wordpress.com/tag/jiang-yuyuan/

        I need to pay better attention to the Chinese coming up so I can know some names.

    • Katie D Says:

      Yeah, I heard she hasn’t been performing as consistently and might have a “nagging injury” (i.e.- not a serious one, but one that might hinder her performance). I definitely see her not being named to the team for that reason, but like I said, I’m surprised that she didn’t get an alternate spot. Her UB performances have been unpredictable, but when she hits, she’s great. I posted on another gym blog about my Chinese world predictions:

      “Wang Yan should definitely help their boost their floor/vault scores from last year, and although she has had inconsistent moments, I can see Huang Huidan being brought for bars/reputation alone. Shang Chunsong is a definite bc as much as her floor literally hurts me to watch (girl looks like she is one wrong step away from snapping an entire leg in half), she is one of the few who can consistently land all passes on her feet, even when it looks like she won’t. I think they NEED the DTY of Chen Siyi and Tan Jiaxin, and with Zhu Xiaofang winning bars at the Asian Champs, I think she’ll be the sixth member. This is NOT a team like last years that basically went in with people assuming they had the silver. With Yao out and the tendency of the athletes to fall when it counts, I could see them getting the silver again or ending up outside of the medals…it’s all going to depend on whether they head case on the day that it counts.”

      Even at the Chinese Championships in June she was topped by Fan Yilin (and I believe her scores have gone only gone down in competition since then), but I guess I shouldn’t be shocked. She’ll likely be the non-traveling alternate. It’s just too bad bc if she ISN’T injured, she has proven she can hit on the world stage and medal. If she is struggling with an ongoing injury then I’m glad they are keeping her home.

      I think we have to take the domestic scores in China with a grain of salt, though. They are notoriously brutal (or rather, accurate, at least in some cases), especially when compared with the US, where scores tend to be inflated. I’ll be interested to see their TF line ups. No doubt they use Fan Yilin on bars/beam and Wang Yan on Vault/Floor, and they have several athletes that could deliver solid performance on bars. Shang Chunsong can do beam/floor (and maybe bars, depending on qualifying)I didn’t originally put Mao Yi on “my team” bc of her inconsistency but when has that ever NOT been an issue for most of their athletes? It’s looking like Tan Jiaxin will most likely be the alternate. Floor is going to be a crap shoot. Shang Chunsong is the most consistent floor worker they have in terms of how she has performed on a world stage, and Mao and Wang have the potential to be great, but they (Mao especially), really have a chance of screwing up.

    • Sainabou Nyang Says:

      I like Tan Sixin. Her bars are beautiful. Much better than Yao J or Shang C.

      • Katie D Says:

        Do you mean Tan Jiaxin? Tan Sixin retired from the sport last year.

        Tan Jiaxin is a lovely bar worker, and I would definitely put her up in TF over Shang Chunsong (whose bar work I’m not crazy about who is also not known for her consistency on bars).

        I was doing some reading on the 2 (?) internal tests in China for this World’s team, and a few sources reported that during one of the test, Tan Jiaxin attempted a Ray (DDLO) dismount and hit her head on the bar and was unconscious for several minutes. As in she had to be carried off the podium and didn’t wake up until after she was off (not sure how long it was, but the closest English translation to what the Chinese reported is “coma,” which makes it fucking terrifying, although I doubt she was in what we know to be a coma).

        They also need her on the team for her DTY, but she has “thrown” an Amanar before. From the reports, you’d think that once a gymnast can land an element cleanly the coaches are like, “Alright, now you get to upgrade. Do it.” I really hope that she just sticks with the DTY bc it has actually improved quite a bit and combined with the little “coma” incident on bars, they need to really work on keeping this World’s team alive and stuff.

      • Sainabou Nyang Says:

        Yes lol Tan Jiaxin. I swear their names all blend together.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        They do blend together.lol

  7. DL Says:

    But there’s still October selection camp, right?

    • Katie D Says:

      Yep, but I feel like having submitted the nominative lists to the FIG, Marta basically has her team. I could see her possibly changing MAYBE one person on that list, but not more.

      I can’t read minds and I’m not privy to any insider information, but I feel like Key is going to be the non-traveling alternate at this point and the October camp MIGHT be a final shot for her to prove that she deserves to travel to Glasgow and prove herself further. Based on the camp results we do know/her competitions this year, she is just not up to par in terms of difficulty on beam/vault. I could see Marta leaving her off the list as a not so subtle way of saying, “Hey Bailie, you better get your fuckin’ Amanar back and up that damn D/E on beam if you want to see a world or Olympic team in your future. Junior results don’t mean shit in my world.” (God, I would love if Marta evaluated each girl this way….instead of Thug Kitchen, Thug Gym with Marta K).

      I don’t really see anything changing at the October camp unless someone gets hurt in the interim/at the camp (very possible) or someone not on the team but being considered for the stay at home alternate shows up and completely blows Marta away. I know that Marta likes to play mind games, but I’m going to guess that those who are invited to the October camp (especially since the list has been released to FIG) have a good idea of where they stand and what they have to do to keep their spot or possibly move up.

      Do we know if all of the seniors from the September camp are being invited back to the selection camp in October?

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Yep the worlds camp is some time in the next 1.5 weeks

  8. H Says:

    These lists have ended up being quite accurate in the past:

    Worlds 2014:
    Simone Biles
    Kyla Ross
    Alyssa Bauman
    Madison Desch
    Madison Kocian
    Ashton Locklear
    Mykayla Skinner

    Worlds 2013:
    Simone Biles, Kyla Ross, McKayla Maroney, Brenna Dowell

    • Lauren H Says:

      T=I thought I remembered past lists being 100% accurate, the only thing we didn’t know was who would be alternate. I’m still holding out hope for Key to be switched with Skinner. And as much as I love Kyla, I kinda want her to have a break so she can get her shit together and then take names next years.

      BTW, thanks for adding me GTT!

      • ilanchik20 Says:

        I was never a big Bailie fan but I think she has done more than enough to be on this team. Maybe not automatically Rio but def this team.

        I think Skinner will be in the team. Marta wants the potential of that vault medal.

        Since Bailie is AA’er with strong bars, I’d take her over Maggie (don’t kill me). I still hope Bailie makes.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I agree about Bailie but there has to be a reason Marta does not score her as well as International judges.

      • Ilanchik20 Says:

        International judges score Aly better than Marta too. And same with Skinners bars. I say Marta is sending Kim a message. Or I wonder if that’s payback when Kim pulled Bailie out of everything last year to get ready for this year lol. With Marta, it’s hard to predict.

        I think the team was based purely on the last camp so I’m hoping Baikie still makes it.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        You’re welcome. Enjoy

  9. Katie D Says:

    I just checked out the nominative lists on the FIG site again and for those who had been wondering, PRK is going and they are sending Hong Un Jong.

  10. Rocío Martínez López Says:

    Chuso is in the nominative list too. God, she is eternal. She deserves a tribute or something. She was already competing when I was born and I am already getting my Ph. D.!

    P. D.: Ponor is also back. 🙂

  11. sanitynmotion Says:

    I LOVE Ponor and can’t wait to see her. Even though she gets gifts.

    So is it basically official that Key and Ross are out for Worlds this year? Dang, who woulda thunk. Maybe the rumors are true and Kyla is seeing the writing on the wall and wants to just start college already.

    • ilanchik20 Says:

      Well it’s not official. Maybe Marta is playing games so change is possible. But I say one person change, sure but no more than that.

      I say Bailie could still replace Maggie or Brenna, if Bailie brings an amanar to the next camp. If not, that’s prob the team.

      I guess in 2 weeks, it will be official lol

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I cannot see Marta leaving home Zmeskals AA gymnast and bringing in Dowell. It doesn’t make any sense. I Still say Marta is sending Kim a message about upgrading Keys routines especially that Amanar and it is still suspicious to me that Rhonda was named as the replacement with no success in the elite world of gymn. It doesn’t make any sense.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I’m sure the explanation is political, but of course I’m a nobody in the gym world and I wouldn’t have a clue how any of it went down.
        I feel like Key’s growth spurt didn’t do her any favors in the amanar realm. Look at what happened to Kyla’s amanar. Although, how ironic that Marta told Kyla to take away the amanar, but wants Key to keep hers. It’s kind of obvious though that if you want to be a contender for the AA in any major international event, you need to have an amanar (at least if you’re a US gymnast).

      • ilanchik20 Says:

        I agree. I’m not convinced Bailie will stay at home. It’s like when Marta didn’t put Reagan on NT last year and by the next camp, Reagan had the routines Marta wanted and she was back on NT team.

        So I suspect Bailie will replace either Maggie or Brenna. If Brenna and Bailie hit at the next camp, I think there is a real chance that Maggie will stay at home or be an alternate at most. So unfortunate. So much depth.

      • exgymgurl Says:

        It does make sense if you are stacking amanars. I can honestly see Maggie getting left at home or getting moved to alternate. They looked at who had the chance at individual medlas, not just two qualifiers but top three scores. Skinner is on the team for a second vault medal and a guaranteed qualification of two people to floor. Kocian has imporved enough to make a bar final. Aly is capable of medalling floor and beam. SImone could medal on anything. Gabby could medal on beam, bars or AA. THey have locked up that the US has a legitimate shot at walking away with a team medal and ten additional medals ( two AA and Two each EF) I would say more likely the US walks away with 8-9 and a team medal. But easily 2 on beam, one on bars, 2 vault, 2 floor, 2 AA . That’s 9 the only one in my mind that is questionable is a bars medal, but even that looks likely. If the US does their job.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        The US is so stacked and the other countries are so weak it’s almost like…not that exciting. I hope it’s different in Rio. Otherwise nationals/Trials will be more exciting to watch than the dang Olympics where gymnastics is concerned.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        If AA medals are not being considered than Marta needs to let just 2 girls do AA and work around event finals medals because only 2 gymnasts can medal.

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        marta alwyas thinks three not two because she wants an insurance policy in case one gets broken or screws up. three qualifiers or potential qualifiers on every event, that way there is internal competition. gabby aly simone Aa, simone mykayla aly floor, gabby madison, brenna simone bars, beam simone aly maybe maggie or gabby sneaks in there. This way they sre internally competing and everyone constantly has to best everyone else.

      • gymmom2 Says:

        Wait. Was Rhonda actually named – or are you assuming. I know I have been buried in work, but how could I have missed that? As for Bailie, I don’t know if it is a struggle with skills after injury and growth, I just don’t like her new floor routine, or what, but she just seems like she is being left behind – even by the upcoming juniors. She looks lackluster and her start values aren’t keeping up. I think she may be one of those gymnasts ( like Bross- only I don’t expect that level of implosion from her)) who everyone expects to make the Olympic team but doesn’t. And much as I think others may deserve a shot over Gabby (unless things change), Marta would be hard pressed to leave her at home unless she is down in the ranks in televised competitions. I don’t see anyone going off to college in January. I think all the schools filled the scholarships spots for this year when they deferred, so they might as well go for it.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        All I know is she moved her entire family to Indiana and it can’t be to be some back up

      • Ilanchik20 Says:

        There were pictures of Rhonda from Florida’s recognition ceremony during football game today.

        But I agree, she wouldn’t move to Indiana and give up a very nice job in Florida unless she was or thought she was going to replace Marta. I generally like her and when I met her at Nationals, she seemed nice. I certainly prefer her over Valery lol (saw him at nationals too, haha).

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        She flew back for the ring ceremony

      • ilanchik20 Says:

        I figured lol. There was someone next to her in one of the pics on crutches–couldn’t figure out who it was.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I didn’t see any of the pictures so Ia.not sure. A lot of your comments are going to moderation are using a different computer? I’ll look into it Monday tonight I am on the boys phone and tomorrow I’ll be at fenway to celebrate the end of this miserable season so 9 can’t check til Monday.

      • ilanchik20 Says:

        I got a new phone and I always use it to post–wonder if that’s the problem. Have fun at Fenway!

      • gymmom2 Says:

        I heard that she wanted Penny’s job and that he was looking to upgrade ( monetarily ) – but who knows. Pretty sure Liuken thinks he is getting the spot, but maybe they think they need a female. He quit coaching to run developmental and hard to argue with his success. I do know Rhonda had been offered that job before and turned it down. Maybe with hubby fired from Florida and 3 unearned championships she decided to take the money and run. I mean what else was there for her to accomplish at Florida?

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I was told that Valeri sold one now his Woga gyms that person posts here if they want to reveal themselves I am not sure if they wanted to be known so I won’t say who it is but I find that very telling he sold that gym. He’s think he bis getting some type of job within the company.

    • G Says:

      Yeah the US is so far ahead of everyone that it’s just become super predictable. That being said, I’m excited to see Ponor and Lordache is always fun. It will also be interesting if Mustafina ends up in Glasgow too, battle of the veterans!

      • G Says:

        Oops, meant to reply to sanity.

      • Katie D Says:

        Russia is really in a quite a state right now. Aliya announce that she was going to start training to try to be ready for Worlds less than a week ago and the FIG nominative team roster site now has her down as the Russia’s 7th athlete. So it looks like she is likely going to compete or if she is not feeling ready once it is go time, she’s the alternate.

        Could you imagine this kind of shit EVER going down in the USA camp?

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        team usa will probably win by 10-12 points. Marta needs to rethink team and almost have someone fall on purpose just so bruno doesnt dramatically roll back the code for 2020

      • Katie D Says:

        Even if he does roll back the code, won’t it put everyone in a similar position? Or are you thinking that he’s going to pull something like they did on the men’s side and devalue all vaults by a full point? But even then, the US would still have the same relative advantage on their strong events. I can’t see anything major threatening to derail the US unless he decides to up the SV of everything on bars so that we have a situation similar to ’08, where no matter how good the US is on the other 3 events, they won’t be able to catch China and Russia who will be able to pull out 7.5 SVs on bars across the board and Romania will fade into oblivion, failing to even qualify into team finals.

        I think the US could honestly win by several points even if they brought a team of 4 (and a team medal was all they wanted). They could take the top 4 AA from the last camp (Simone, Gabby, Aly, Maggie) and still put up 3 Amanars TF, 3 passable bar routines, and 2 phenomenal routines on beam/floor, with one routine on each of those events that is decent for the US but that most other countries would kill for. Hell, that team could also bring home 6-7 individual medals, which is absolutely INSANE.

        The 2012 team was great, but I think the Rio team has the potential to be even more dominant.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I wouldn’t call what they are more dominate I would say the rest of the world has gotten that much worse. Russia has no depth or consistency. Romanian is so dead they have to bring back 2 gymnasts from 4 years ago just to dield a team to finish top 6 and still cant field an UB line up that is comparable to a level 5 team here in the US and all the gymnasts from China are so practically brand new we don’t know much about them. The US isn’t that much better it’s just the rest of the world is that much worse.

      • Katie D Says:

        Very good point. I think the US has continued to progress under a system that obviously works for them while the other top countries have remained stagnant, regressed, or had moments of looking like they were moving forward only to have their entire team go down with injuries.

        Do you think anything that has been happening with the Chinese team over the years (having a couple of great athletes–often times inconsistent—mixed in with a constant stream of new faces to be tested) is a sort of reaction or “after effect” of Beijing? I feel like SO MUCH went into making sure that team was absolutely the best it could possibly be and they were so focused on team gold/individual medals for their home Olympics that they’re still kind of recovering from a post ’08 hangover of sorts? The gymnasts competing for them now would have been 9-11 years old during the Olympics and I’d have to assume that some of the attention that would have been paid to them at that time and in the time leading up to ’08 was shifted to the athletes that would be representing their country at a home Games. Now they have a bunch of gymnasts who are age eligible for worlds and even more juniors coming up who have a ton of talent/potential…but very little of the junior talent translates into senior success. Of course, it’s probably due to a lot of factors (one of which being the fact that they are chosen from SUCH a young age and they choose gymnasts with such slight builds WHEN THEY NEED GYMNASTS WITH MORE POWER LIKE CHENG FEI!! Are you listening China?? You have enough waif like bar/beam workers, take a few athletes who you might project to grow to a big and sturdy 5’1″ and 90 lbs soaking wet to that you are never forced to used SCS’s FTY in freaking team finals,…ever!!), but I’ve always wondered how the preparation for Beijing might have had a trickle down effect on the younger athletes at the time.

        Romania and Russia are a bit different. China has the population to create large Provincial teams and the funds to provide incentive (especially for poorer families–see SCS) for families to send their children away to train at a young age. One gold at an Asian games, a Worlds or Olympics, or the Chinese games and these girls can provide for their families and have their place in a top University guaranteed and payed for. Russia and Romania a less populous and the incentives to train are less. The US was in a pretty dismal spot when they weren’t near the top, but as they kept winning, the interest in the sport grew, and that, coupled with the new training system allowed us to steam roll the rest of the world. As an added bonus, if you don’t have what it takes to make a World or Olympic team in the US but you are still super talented, you can basically count on a free ride to college, which is a nice $200,000+ not to have to worry about.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        The US also has more gymnasts to choose from. In Romania what do they have like 12 girls?

      • Katie D Says:

        One more thing haha. I think a big difference between Russia and the US right now (I don’t even know who runs the show in Romania so I’m just going to use the ever so vocal V.Rod as an example) is that although V.Rod and Marta can both “present” themselves as bitchy/unfair to those who don’t know the sport, Valentina’s talent ends with just being a flat out bitch while Marta is a bitch who knows how to get shit done. Valentina runs a program that is madness, while Marta has a plan and has proven that their is a method to her madness. Valentina and husband might reign supreme but when it comes down to it, the best of the best in the country rule them, while Marta has made it clear that no matter who you are, you are only as good as your last competition and you need to play by her rules.

        I mean, all they would need is to get a coach who speaks English to go online to get a basic idea of how the US program is set up. They could find conditioning programs/videos online…it makes sense that if you want to BE the best, it might be a good idea to follow the lead of the best. It might be a little late for the current generation of gymnasts to have a huge impact, but if they don’t start doing proper, regular conditioning, I don’t see Russia ever being the top team again. It’s pretty sad that you can medal at your nation’s cup on an event like floor if you’re one of the gymnasts who has the endurance to land all of her tumbling passes on her feet. And until they start showing some improvement, I don’t think the depth problem will be solved (i.e.- why would people want to become part of the sport? what would draw little girls to become interested?). Aliya literally was able to get the 7th spot on the team bc she decided that she wanted it and went back to serious training, so Alla is now out as an alternate. The fact that an athlete (even Aliya) can essentially DECIDE whether she will or will not be part of a team that will compete at this level is just sad.

      • H Says:

        Can someone explain to me this: Why the lack of consistency in the other countries like the present Russian team (Russian cup etc) and teams from China the previous years ? Russia have knowledge to build up a consistent team, I mean they have dominated the sports for decades. Or Was Alexandrov the last coach that truly was a part of that area/had that knowledge, and now we see the result because he is no longer there … And China they have had more often than not consistency issue. Romania, except ind athletes that have more potential to tap into when it comes to mental toughness seems to be, over the years, far more consistent than China.


        And what does US do today (after 2008) that make them successful when it comes to consistency?

        Is it about the numbers? And how many numbers do they do to reach that level of consistency?

        Everyone can make mistakes, have a bad day etc. as well single athletes can have lack of mental toughness or have it as a natural strength.
        But in general, why the big gap in level of consistency between the Russia, China, US? I understand/get the difference in difficult level, but not the ability to be consistent during competition.


      • gymtruthteller Says:

        It’s a mind set IMO. You fall you stay home so Marta gymnasts don’t fall. They know if you mess up a team event there are 12 gymnasts behind you to take your place plus I think part of it is getting in your numbers. Ever watch the US men training videos ? They spend more time fooling around then actually training and that is why they will never be as successful as the woman. Russia just doesn’t have the control of that program they had in the Soviet era and Aliya half as sing every prelims is a perfect example. I would have pulled her from team if she acted that way at a world’s I was in control of medal or not her attitude sucks. Aliya knows she can’t be replaced by the next person in line and she takes full advantage of that.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Those aren’t rumors about Kyla that was 100% my speculation on why she is spending every weekend at UCLA. No rumors have been around that I have heard. Just wanted to clarify again what I said in the blog I started, Not to start any rumors but……………

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        pretty sure shes taking classes at ucla regardless of whether shes competing or not yet

      • ilanchik20 Says:

        She has continually said that she is not taking classes this year so she has more time to prepare for Rio. If she is taking taking classes (no idea, if she is), then that is s def a change from her previous plan. Someone should check, somehow. Lol

      • Katie D Says:

        I would guess that she isn’t taking classes…pretty much all colleges have already started by now and you KNOW someone would have let a picture slip in IG/mentioned it on askFM/tweeted about it if Kyla Freaking Ross was walking around the UCLA campus with a backpack amongst the common people haha.

        If the condition of her back doesn’t allow for more intense training, I could see her starting at UCLA in January (if they had a scholarship open but I’m pretty sure they would MAKE one open for her). A plus side of her not going to Stanford is that she can start in the Spring and who knows, competing at the college level could actually HELP her chances of making it to Rio. She’ll get the chance to compete nearly every weekend, she can still work on keeping up some elite skills on bars/beam (bc she’s not making the Olympic team for AA)…she’ll get a MUCH needed break from Marta and the cut throat elite world while actually being able to focus on her consistency in competition (which has always been what has set her apart from other athletes/made her such a valuable asset to so many teams). Not to mention the fact that I think it would do amazing things for her confidence and really bring her out of her shell.

        I’m 100% team Kyla and I would LOVE to see her in Rio (I’d take a consistent Kyla over Gabby any day), and training/competing in college for a semester might just be the shake up in her routine that she needs. Plus, she’ll be about an hour from home so it’s not like she couldn’t go back to Gym Max from time to time.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Maybe taking a Class at UCLA would help clear Kyla’s mind. Maybe she isn’t built to train 24.7 amd keep her head in the game.

      • SS Says:

        I don’t think Kyla is able to train 24/7. When she was interviewed by gymcastic (a few years ago) she said she doesn’t train as many hours as most elites do…if I’m remembering it right

      • brainy Says:

        Too many gymnasts with good heads on their shoulders get sucked into Marta’s games. Better to be elite a couple years, then get on with your life, i.e., college, boyfriends. Life’s too short. And do these girls want to live their lives in physical pain for so long?

  12. Katie D Says:

    I was just thinking about the nominative list and how in recent history, they have all remained the same for team USA. 2014: the same. 2013: the same. 2011: they kept the same list but used the alternate(s) on the team due to injury.

    2010 was the ONLY year that they pulled someone from the original team (and I’m not sure if this team had been sent in as the nominative team or just been named by Marta and then changed, so someone please correct me if I’m wrong). Marta pulled Kytra Hunter from the team and replaced her with (why, God, Why?!?) Chelsea Davis. Who “happened” to be a KZB athlete. Granted, Davis ended up the alternate but if changes are going to happen again, this little bit of history might indicate that Marta is willing to change the nominative list for a KZB gymnast.

    Sorry…conspiracy theory over.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Bridget hit nothing during training and was going to be the alternate until Davis got injured and she was named to the team. Davis being on that team was Marta’s dumbest moment of all time that didn’t involve an Olympics. What a horrible gymnast and probably USA’S worst world member of all time.

      • Katie D Says:

        I wasn’t sure who was going to be the alternate on that team once Davis was in the line up, but Kytra was originally on the team and Chelsea was not, is that correct?

        You’re right…absolutely horrible choice. 100% politically motivated.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I do not remember at all about who was originally named I just remember Bridget looking like shit in training and hitting nothing and then after Davis got hurt someone admitting Bridget was the alternate until that injury happened. Bridget is exactly the reason Marta’s practices didn’t work til 2012. She blew 2 Olympic gold medals doing it her way (04-08 especially 04. In 08 she only had a shot but that was partially her own fault for breaking everyone)

      • Ilanchik20 Says:

        I’m glad she made the 2010. I was a little bitter when Kytra was pulled. Those worlds were weird; like when Marta let Mattie perform in team finals after she bombed in QF. I never understood that haha

      • Gymbot Says:

        Unfortunately Larson was the only option for floor. I don’t think Alicia had a floor yet in her comeback and both Bridgets didn’t score well in quals

      • Ilanchik20 Says:

        In retrospect, I would have used Sloan’s floor. At least with her, she usually hit when it mattered.

        This is why I’m forever bitter Marta took Kytra off the team. Sigh.

  13. exgymgurl Says:

    I think that classes just started this Monday at UCLA. Maybe she isn’t taking classes, but perhaps a few online classes would clear her head and give her something else to focus on besides football games and hanging out with the UCLA gymnastics team.

  14. Gym Obsessed Says:

    Someone mentioned on tumblr (can’t remember who) that the nominative US list was solely based on AA results from the last camp… but that couldn’t be right, could it? Could Kocian have really beat Key in the AA? I think we’ll see changes from that nominative list this year – there is so much more depth right now than in years past that I think this would be the year to see a switch. And there have been such a lack of injuries that I feel like someone is bound to be injured, especially someone like Kocian who is completely fragile (I’m not hoping for it – just saying).

    Still holding out hope that Kyla gets in the top 3 on beam at camp and they bring her… that nominative list is weak on beam outside of Simone, Aly and Gabby. Can you really see 2 of either Dowell, Skinner, Maggie or Kocian going up on beam even in qualification??? I think beam is Kyla’s ticket more than bars.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      That is a good point about that team being weak on beam especially if Aly doesn’t get her connections and Gabby starts getting scored fairly

      • Gym Obsessed Says:

        Yes – exactly! Gabby and Aly aren’t super secure there yet either. I don’t see Martha leaving such a beam gap.

  15. Exgymgurl Says:

    rumor has it that marta just took the top 7aa at camp and threw them on the nominative list and it means nothing. She has no intention of deciding anything until next camp

    • SS Says:

      Yea I doubt it’s finalized. Marta would wait until the rotation to decide who was competing if she could just to play mind games.

      • KG Says:

        That’s so true!!

        It’s cruel, but I kind of get where she is coming from. I coached sports for awhile and I never announced the starting lineup until right before the game. Kids can get lazy if they know they are starting without any doubts and sometimes if they know that they aren’t starting, they won’t work as hard either. The girls that started the game also depended upon our competitors and what kind of game they ran, though the USA is so dominant, I’m not sure that is as much a factor. Plus, field sports of course use different tactics. But the point is I do kind of get why Marta plays Some of her head games.

    • Dee Says:

      Ooh I kinda believe that. I bet this list is a head game. At least, I am hoping so. Kind of an odd team to me if this is who ends up going.

    • Mimi Says:

      That means Brenna was better than Kyla and Bailie in AA. Which is serious WTFery. Kyla and Bailie must have tanked at camp or Brenna is BRINGING it with something major like an amanar or an upgraded floor (or both). I can’t see Brenna beating both of them in AA but who knows.

    • Katie D Says:

      Yep, Lauren H mentioned that on tumblr (and her sources have proven to be reliable over time). So I guess it’s kind of useless to compare nominative lists past to this year’s list.

      If this was a normal camp, I could definitely see Brenna beating Kyla and Key in the all around. I’m not sure if it is different from world selection camps, but at regular camps, don’t the girls only compete half routines during the competition (with the exception of vault, obviously)? Brenna DOES have her Amanar back, and if she only had to compete half routines, I can see her actually being able to put together and hit a great bar set and probably a really solid FX (since endurance wouldn’t be as much of an issue). Brenna was solid with her Amanar back in 2013, so if she has it back, I could see it scoring around a 15.8 at camp. That alone gives her a .8-ish advantage over Key right off the bat. When you figure that in to being able to spit her bar set in two, I could easily see her scoring in the mid 15s, giving her another .6 or so on Bailie. Who knows how her beam went, but we know that Bailie’s beam was not at the level it used to be.

      All of that figured in, I can see Brenna beating Kyla (who apparently fell several times) and Bailie. Even if Bailie was consistent, she didn’t have the Amanar advantage and any bars specialists (especially someone like Brenna who struggles when it comes to putting the whole thing together) would have been at a great advantage IF they did the usual camp comp. set up of splitting it into two days.

      • KG Says:

        Will they do the formal selection camp this same way, or is that just typical of a non-selection camp?

        I wonder if Bailie is thinking of upgrading her vault again by Rio. She’s going for AA, and you’d think she has to assume she needs one, judging by London’s team.

      • ilanchik20 Says:

        The selection camp is like a competition–full routines and regular judges. The rankings will likely change but I still think most of these girls will be on the team.

        The only real change I predict is Bailie in and Maggie or Kocian/Brenna out. I’d say Maggie but I don’t want to jinx her.

      • Mimi Says:

        Yeah I know that half routines are usually done at camp, but I’d be surprised if they only did half routines at Sept camp given how close it is to Worlds. I presume Martha would be verifying full routines by that point! But who knows I could be wrong.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        You’re not. Its usually a full fledged 2 day competition sort of thing.

  16. ilanchik20 Says:

    Sabrina Vega (finally) committed to College! I’m glad she was able to finish elite on her terms!

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