USA will win. I find China to be the more exciting team with their amazing bars and beam, but unfortunately, they will lose around 5 points to the USA due to their terrible floor. 😦 Simone is going to dominate this Worlds, which I am super happy about, but I hope she gets some more competition, so she is forced to upgrade. I mean she has huge difficulty already, but she isn’t showing everything she is capable of.
I’m actually glad that Simone isn’t pushing more difficulty right now. She has plenty to begin with, and can devote more time to form, flexibility, and dance elements. I don’t want her to upgrade to the point of injury, especially since upgrades aren’t necessary right now. I can’t wait to watch her blow away the competition.
That is a really good point. It is evident that her landings have gotten a lot better this year! 🙂 However, I still hope she at least upgrades her 2nd vault. The Lopez is way to easy for her and Hong is capable of beating her in EFs.
Couldn’t agree more Melanie. She doesn’t need to push acrobatic upgrades at this stage. Working on presentation/artistry, execution, and flexibility is much more important. With improvements in those areas, she would truly be unstoppable. Her difficulty is already great, she just needs to bring the other stuff up to match it.
It’s sad, because Kyla is digressing at this point…not getting stronger (like Simone). I wonder what will happen with her after worlds? This may sound harsh, but I wish she would just become a 2 event gymnast. If she only did beam/bars, she could focus on upgrading and perfecting only those routines. Watching her do floor these days is a little sad…it’s almost as if she’s lethargic or battling an ongoing illness or something. I adore her, but I don’t see her staying in the sport if she continues to be an all arounder. She’ll break or become useless on a team (because other people are better because of her lack of upgrades). ‘Cause let’s be honest, when Skinner almost beats you in the all around…something’s TERRIBLY wrong.
Oh, and can someone tell me why we have her performing floor in team finals? WTH is up with that? Didn’t that other girl (who isn’t important enough for me to learn her name yet) do better than her in qualifications?
Yeah, Baumann beat her by .2. I think they went with experience and consistency. Kyla can be counted on and she’s close enough to Baumann that it doesn’t really matter. They might not have faith that Alyssa can repeat her qualifications score.
Marta wanted to win. She didnt want to risk a Mattie Larson. Kyla is more consistent, and the US obviously made a decision that consistency was worth more than 0.2. Baumann is inconsistent just like Kocian, and Marta knows when its necessary Kyla will hit and baumann is maybe 50-50. Im still shocked we went 12/12 Simone almost lost it on beam but stayed on. Everyone did what they had to do. Its obvious team USA didnt need Kyla putting back her switch ring or Kyla competing more difficulty to win. They took a lot out of Alys floor in TF in London after Jo and Gabby hit because she only needed a 10. We had the same margin here with besides Kyla and Simone much lower caliber athletes, and all Simone had to hit was a 10, or less. Kylas hurting but still more consistent than anyone else. I know she missed night one of PG but she has not missed since. This hip / leg issue probably has been going on all year. I hope after the next 5 routines and jesolo they rest her. Let simone and bailie key go to scam, and jesolo with gabby and Aly.
I just hope they keep the olympics and worlds out of China for a while…tired of such bias scoring against the home team. It’s alway bad, but never as bad as when these events are in China. Japan deserved the men’s team win!
WTH?!?!? The Japanese men were SCREWED out of the gold metal. I’m not sure if anyone watched it (or cares), but the rigging was in for China big time. Don’t get me wrong, China did great…but there is NO WAY those high bar routines were that good. I’m not a men’s specialist, but even I could see the leg separations and missed handstands/turns on top of the bar. This was Nastia/Gabby level rigging. What complete and utter BS.
I loved that the GB, Russian, and USA teams were all battling it out for 3rd. It made the whole thing worth watching. I am really impressed with the UK team especially. They have done great things with that program.
Overall, it was a good team final to watch. Kurt and Amanda were great as usual, and the best part…NO STUPID ASS NASTIA!!!! Oh, and the other added bonus was never seeing/hearing Danell’s annoying step-dad. That guy gets on my nerves bad. Lol.
Re: the commentary: I did like it but at least twice Bart said that Ferrari had lost the London floor bronze to “Aly Raisman” in a tie. Dude, it was Mustafina, not Raisman! He said this twice, you’d think someone would’ve corrected him.
Chen Siyi later fell on floor – but only two falls from this team. Not sure why they picked the girl with the flu who fell three times in qualifications to compete over Yao Jinnan (who also fell in quals, but is also reigning Asian Games FX champion and either Chinese Gold/Silver Medalist).
I remember that there were a lot of complaints about the floor in Sydney and that it had very little bounce. Karpenko and Zamo and some of the men, but I forget who, could not adjust properly when it mattered. Of course, the vault debacle overshadowed the floor. And then the crappy American team. Sydney was so bad.
Watching the final now, even though the damn usag facebook spoiled it for me, hah.
All I have seen so far is vault, and I have to say, I think if you put Maroney and Biles against each other on vault at this point, Biles would come out on top. Every time I see her vault….I just can’t get over it. Never thought anyone would come close to Maroney, but I think Biles may have surpassed her.
I don’t think she is as good as Maroney yet on the Amanar, just because Simone still crosses her feet. Much better than last year though, when her feet were more “helicoptery”, (only her feet, not her legs like Mustafina is/used to be on twists).
Maroney’s are glued together side by side, just looks more streamlined.
But give it a few months and I am sure Simone can improve this slight form issue, and then I’d like to see a vault-off…. 🙂
Ironic how the US just dominates vault at every team final, gorgeous, difficult vaults, and they still don’t have the olympic EF vault title!
I am going to make a prediction, and say that the FIG is going to devalue every vault next quad like they did with the men. With the US so dominate in vault, and the huge advantage it brings…I think they will knock the values down to level the playing field. They kind of did the same thing with bars this quad. Remember when the top girls were scoring in the low to mid 16’s last quad? Now people can barely make it to a mid 15. They always tweak something, and I think vault is next. Anyway…that’s my random prediction. 🙂
Completely agree GTT…but we both know that’s never going to happen. 🙂 It’s easier to change vault values then admit there is something wrong with the judges. Its Nelly Kim after all. She WANTS judges she can buy/manipulate. It’s all a bunch of BS.
Also, are there no line judges for floor? I have seen a few people look like they went out but it was not mentioned and I’ve seen no flags. However, american commentators always make it seem like that is the BIGGEST mistake a gymnast can make so maybe noone is mentioning it.
Geez louise, USA wins by 7 points? It doesn’t get much more decisive than that. I haven’t seen Baumann’s beam or Kocian’s bars, because they weren’t shown on the feed, but they must have hit. Which just goes to show that it’s not just difficulty that the US has on all the other teams, but consistency, consistency, consistency.
Kyla looked great on floor. One of the best routines I’ve seen from her in a while. Simone got a pretty big gift on beam – 14.9 with a major bobble and a step forward on the dismount? But who cares, she’s awesome.
Love Shang Chunsong’s floor. Iordache’s beam was awesome – hope she can repeat it. Loved seeing Nabs and Musty on the competition floor together.
Okay, the BBC commentators are miles above the NBC group, but that guy drove me CRAZY with mispronouncing everyone’s names. Hint, it’s KYLA not Kayla, Alina STANILA not Alina Stalina, and Mu-STAH-fina not Musta-FEE-na. Also, he said that Yao’s beam clearly wasn’t very good because she only scored a 14.4 compared to her qualification score of 15.666 — um, that was her BARS score, not her beam score. I kept wanting to throw things at the computer.
I typed up a long comment but it may have disappeared so here were my thoughts:
USA wins by 7 points? Geez, that’s not even kinda close. What we really have on all the other countries isn’t just difficulty but consistency, consistency, consistency. Supposedly, we haven’t had a gymnast fall in a TF (Worlds/Olympics) since 2010.
Kyla looked great on floor. One of her best routines in a long time.
Simone got a major gift on beam after that big bobble and step on the dismount. But who cares, she’s awesome and I love her.
Impressed with Team Italy. And Canada didn’t even make TF? They need to get their eggs out of the Victoria Moors basket.
Too many falls from China and Russia. Romania didn’t have a bad day, but still ended up out of the medals. I’d have been happy if Romania had pushed Russia out, but Mustafina saves the day for the Russians as usual.
I think Romania’s lead off on beam, Alina Stanila, in rotation four fell (*I think). She usually goes for a routine out of 6.4, but she scored 5.5 with 7.7 – similar to what she did in quals. Anyway, she looked inconsolable at the end of the competition, the entire team was trying to comfort her. Can’t find her routine to know for sure though. 1 point from a fall would gotten them Bronze – in the “if” world
The US has these inquiries already filled out and ready to go and they have the 300 plus dollars to lose if the inquiry is denied and every time they don’t get a start value they inquire and win even though half the time they don’t deserve the credit.
I think they knew what Kyla was docked on before in qualifications, and they didnt challenge it then. Challenging it in team finals means they will also challenge it inEF and AA if she does not get whatever connections. It would not surprise me to see her do more difficulty in AA and event finals because she realizes she has to or she will not medal at all.
A win by nearly 7 points! That’s 1.5 points an event. That’s crazy. Kind of like winning a basketball game by 40 or something like that. They won all events except for bars. Speaking of, Ashton’s bars set was gorgeous! You’d think she had a Chinese coach or something 😉
Skinner may be the surprise of Worlds. She’s cleaned up her form and the judges appear to like her. She may medal on floor and vault if she keeps doing what she’s doing. It’s good to have another gymnast who is liked by the international judging community and it seems that she may be it. I know they like Bailee Key too. This could be a very impressive few years for the US women. (I personally really like Norah. She’s a Shawn junior. I hope she doesn’t get screwed at the Olympics like shawn did though).
And I agree on the China bias. I laughed so hard during women’s qualifying when they got outrageously inflated scores on vault. I wondered who had talked to them and when to ensure that they qualified in second. Otherwise they had been judged pretty fairly.
The men’s final was an abomination! Yes, Japan deserved gold. China would have had to show up in purple hair and denim overalls to lose.
I’ve thought the same thing about skinners double double laid out. It’s piked for sure. But what are the point values worth for the skills anyway? A tucked DD is an H right? So what is a layout DD? And I would assume a piked DD would be worth more than the tucked right? Does anyone know? Are the layout and piked DDs the same point value? If so, that might be why she is getting the score.
No one is closing in on him. Kohei is being low balled by the judges even when winning. His form and execution trump every gymnast. Plus he is artistic in a sport where no one else is even on the same planet. Simone is a great gymnast with tons of difficulty and an absolute joy to watch but she has one millionth the artistry and gets by on pure strength and difficulty especially on floor but if it came down to taking the artist vs the power only kohei wins in both departments. Why am I comparing the two because both will win easily here but only one would if the complete package was the way to win. Though in Simone’s defense we do not have a comparison right now because no one behind her is that much better then her in the artistic department except maybe jinnon.
I have to disagree with you a bit. I think Simone’s floor is artistic enough, kind of in the Wieber-esque way. I don’t love Yao Jinnan, and I don’t think she’s very artistic. Of the Chinese girls, Shang and Huang are much more artistic, in my opinion.
But, you’re absolutely right about Kohei. What a legend. He’s got everything.
Presentation is not artistry. I loved Simone’s routine last year this year not so much but to me she presents it well. Heck Aly presented her routine well enough but artistry has to do with dance and expression and I wouldn’t use the word expressive to describe her routine.
I agree – there’s a difference between exhibiting true artistry vs. presenting a routine well. One of my favorite floor workers actually was Komova in London (that final routine) and of course Jordyn’s routine was awesome but I wouldn’t say Simone’s comes even close to that. I also really liked ASac’s presentation but wouldn’t say she was all that “artistic” either; however, she did have great form so I’ll give her that.
Simone’s just a powerhouse. Like Shawn was in a way. And they both even smile through their routines so it comes off as “great presentation.” The actual choreo is bleck.
I think Simone is artistic in her own right. She has her own style and it goes with her strengths. It’s hard for someone to have power and artistry, I think, but Simone does well with it. Others come off as clunky, haha.
And Kohei…wow…I can’t even imagine who would beat him or when. It’s so crazy to me that in this era of crazy gymnastics he has stayed on top so long. I thought the past two codes the era of someone staying on top longer than a year or two was over, so that makes him even more amazing to me!
How long do you think Kohei can hold out though? Hes artistic with fabulous technique but he is getting up there in age. What is he late 20s?
If he contiues slaying until through Rio, then I’m here for it, because no one from usa mag can touch him.
Simone is the one of the only “power gymnasts” I have actually rooted for. I’m usually not into that type of gymnastics. It was hard for me to get on the shawn bandwagon, and while it was nice that she was cute and happy, I didn’t really feel like I HAD to watch her. I remember not really liking the choreo in her 2008 routine. I loved Jordyn’s choreo this past quad because she sold it and did it well, maybe that’s what attracts me to Simone’s routine. I can’t figure it out, there have been so many power gymnasts from the US but she is my favorite for some reason. Maybe it’s less about artistry for me and more about gymnasts with routines that you can tell they love AND it suits their style?
Kohei didn’t do full difficulty, and had a bit of loss of form on the parallel bars. He could have actually won by a bigger margin, but it looks like he’s really focusing on upping his E scores right now. I’m sure he’ll upgrade next year, but wow, it really says a lot about his gymnastics when he can win despite not having the highest of D scores.
Almost a point and a half isn’t exactly catching up IMO but Kohei doesn’t need to upgrade now and neither does Simone because no one else has her power. The great thing about Simone being a power gymnast is she usually has decent form. So she is one up from the rest of the so called power gymnasts. They usually look like Memmel. Shawn and her leaps being the exception is another gymnast with great form/