The greatest man that ever lived and a rumor


Timmy has still got it and someone better trade for this man by Wednesday so he can make superhuman saves like this for them in the playoffs.



I needed a new blog and there is no gym news so say what you want as long as you are bowing down to the one and only horribly missed by me, Tim f****** Thomas

Someone sent me this link for some children’s books they have written about Gymnastics so I thought I would post a link for anyone that might want to buy.

This rumor is from an anonymous source based in Houston. I didn’t approve the comment because it can’t be substantiated but it was too juicy not to release.


Simone’s family is building a gym. She is going there. Renting space until it opens.

Someone needs to tell Ebee neither of these are getting credit comparing them is not a good thing. .


55 Responses to “The greatest man that ever lived and a rumor”

  1. JAS4 Says:

    Lol we can discuss nbc’s subliminastial messaging hidden in their fluff lol!

    Also is Chellsie still training for tumbling? Or has anyone heard anything about it recently?

    On another note anyone have any opinions on the Russia/Ukraine situation

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      When I have time that needs to be its own

      • Akshay Says:

        IMO Obama has really dug himself a hole with this situation. Putin saw how he completely flopped on the Syria “red line,” and he sees Obama asking him for help in Syria/Iran/Afghanistan. He clearly thinks Obama and the US need him more than he needs them, and saw the opening. Putin is not stupid enough to do something if he doesn’t have a way out.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Dude Obama is a pushover and a total fraud empty suit president. Anyone who thinks I’m racist for saying that can stuff it. Bush sucked too but at least he didn’t let himself get ran over by foreign dignitaries. Weapons of mass destruction may have been a joke but people tend to forget the Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate at this time as well.

      • Akshay Says:

        You’re certainly not racist for saying that, because Obama has been horrendous.
        I get that the Republicans in Congress aren’t particularly pleasant with him, but I simply cannot stand when Obama whines and whines about Congress. No one forced you to run for office. No one told you it would be easy. Hell, you might know that yourself if you were IN Congress for more than a year and a half before you started running for a promotion. Every single President has to deal with Congress. Bush dealt with a Democrat controlled Congress for two years, and still got some legislation passed. Let’s not pretend Democrats were nice to Bush either. Clinton dealt with a GOP controlled Congress for six years and got a lot passed. Obama needs to man up and get over it. He can blame House Republicans all he wants for opposing him, but isn’t that what an opposition party is supposed to do? Oppose? The reality is (and this has been well documented), Obama does not WANT to deal with Congress. He sits out of Congressional battles and lets the House and Senate fight it out. Democrats have numerously complained he doesn’t do anything, and that he’s hanged them out to dry when he doesn’t have anything at stake. He’s horrible at working with others, which is exactly why he’s been so ineffective. I have zero sympathy for him though. He ran for the position. It’s not some glamor position like shows such as the West Wing and House of Cards make it. He assumed it was, and it’s clearly biting him now.

        Obama’s rise and downfall has both been by his oratory. Sure, he’s a fairly good speaker (when he has a script to go off of), but his downfall has been when he promises too much. Look at his whole message of “Hope and Change.” Lol, what hope and change. Partisanship is worse. Look at “if you like your plan, you can keep it, period” Literally, his attempts to weasel out of that one made my blood boil. You said that phrase at least ten times. When he tries to say “What we meant was, if you like your plan, and it meets such and such standards, and you didn’t sign up for it after this date, you can keep it.” No, that’s not what you meant or said. You either knew it would happen, and lied, or you were just so incompetent that you couldn’t predict this as a possible negative. With Obama, both are possible, but I’m guessing he lied, because he frankly is a huge liar. His words are what bit him in the back when it came to his “Red Line” in Syria. That was simply embarrassing, and after seeing how Putin ran circles around him there, Putin has been energized and knows there’s little Obama can do to stop him.

        I’m going to refrain from discussing the trainwreck that is the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), because that would take way too much energy and tick me off too much.

        In conclusion, and sorry for this rant, Obama is a horrendous President who has never been worried about anything more than himself and his political image. He doesn’t actively TRY to work with people, and then ends up whining about how they’re mean to him. Let’s keep our fingers crossed the Republicans take the Senate in 2014 (which they have a good shot at with this map and with the way things are going for the Democrats). 2016 can’t come fast enough, but if it’s Hillary, I might end up losing my mind. We do NOT need another four years of this.

        /End Rant

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        He has been the worst President I can remember good thing I wasn’t born during the Carter years I heard he was almost worse. This whole health care is a huge pet peeve of mine and I do not want to get started on that.

        We were told when Obama ran how wrong the whole war with Ira and Afghanistan because war is wrong yet it isn’t wrong when Obama tried to start it. I hate the hypocrisy.

      • allie Says:

        Oh, team Hillary all the way. Yes she’s a democrat, but if you’re worried about foreign policy– woman’s got it in the BAG. I don’t think anyone would dare cross her. And while I don’t identify with a party (I’m pretty centrist like many Gen Y-ers seem to be), I do think she’d be fabulous. I’m not an Obama fan either, but I don’t believe that the hope and change was rhetoric. I really think Obama believed it…he wasn’t very experienced, and I do think he believed he could create change. Problem was that reality hit, he had to deal with congress and, well, politics….and that ended really fast. You couldn’t pay me enough to be president. What a crappy job. Everything you do is wrong, and you can’t actually DO anything substantial b/c you can’t get it through congress. Blech. But yeah…team Hillary 2016 all the way.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Team Hillary is as bad as Obama. God help this Country.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Allie, I don’t mean to sound like an ass-hat but you need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Hillary did NOTHING positive for US foreign policy while Secretary of State (can you name anything?) and proceeded to make more enemies than anything else. Plus her incompetence cost 4 valuable lives in Benghazi. Say what you want to say (even certain Dems have issued statements specifically stating the budget cuts/sequester did not impact security at the Embassy; that wasn’t the cause of those deaths), but she did not pick up the phone when she needed to. Then she and her cohorts and Obama tried to tell the public that the violence was the result of a video, which was total bullshit and trying to cover for their incompetence when reality was it was a TERRORIST attack.

        Then you have the fact that for the first two years of office, Obama’s party was in complete control of all 3 branches of government (Dems owned the House and the Senate). He can whine all he wants but the reason Obamacare was shoved down our throats is because he had complete control during that time; he made a lot of promises and could have done a lot during those 2 years but he focused on ruining our healthcare system instead after “buying” the minority vote by making promises he never intended to keep.

        And you know what else? Hillary had a very similar healthcare plan lined up for us she was trying to pass when Bill was President. So don’t think her way is any better than Obama’s. They are just trying to sink our healthcare system so that it has to morph into single-payer/socialist system. Go ask any sick Canadian how it’s working for them. There’s a reason why the lawmakers passed Obamacare and then proceeded to immediately exempt themselves from it right after (which is unconstitutional but the 1% own our government so all this is ignored).

        Last thing: during Bush’s last 2 years of office the Dems owned the House and the Senate, yet they want to blame Bush for the economy tanking. Let’s think about that for a sec when Bush only had control of 30% of the government. Is it really ALL Bush’s fault? Make no mistake he was a horrible president but Obama has been worse and Hillary would just sink the nail in our coffin.

      • Akshay Says:

        @Allie: I am going to agree and disagree with you. Do I think Hillary is more formidable than Obama? Yes, I do. Obama is one of the least decisive politicians I have seen. As someone who follows Foreign Policy closely and has traveled extensively overseas, I can tell you, not many people take him seriously. Having said that, I do not think this country needs another four years of this, and Hillary will essentially be Obama’s third term. There isn’t that much major policy difference between them, and I particularly would like to see ACA either repealed or modified, and some of this spending restrained, none of which Hillary would do. Plus, we cannot forget Hillary’s role in the so called “Russian Reset.” Look where that’s gone. Another thing is, I’m honestly very tired of political families, whether it’s the Bushes, Clintons, Kennedys, you name it. I want some new blood. Can’t say I’m Ready for Hillary.

        As for the Obama believing his rhetoric. I’m going to have to respectfully disagree. I spend a lot of time reading political memoirs, and following these topics, since I work in DC. I’ve heard from several sources that Obama and his team did not really ever believe the “Hope and Change” or “Forward” rhetoric.. they just used it, because they thought it could excite and motivate voters, particularly those who weren’t as enthusiastic about politics. If he did believe what he said, then that goes to show how inexperienced and un-prepared he was for the reality of the position. The guy was in Congress for barely a year and a half before he started campaigning. To be honest, I bought the whole rhetoric at first too. Bush was not a particularly great President either, and I was glad to move on, but I look back and wonder what I ever liked about Obama in the first place.

        IMO Obama’s biggest lost opportunity was the first two years of his presidency. He had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, and a large majority in the House. He could have lifted his finger and gotten anything he wanted. But he didn’t. He spent a lot of political capital on Obamacare, and we all know where that’s gone. Would Obama have gotten re-elected if Obamacare was implemented in 2012? If kept crashing like it did, and if millions lost their health insurance and faced soaring premiums, then absolutely not. No way. He knew that was a possibility, which is why it’s only started this year. Why do you think he keeps postponing parts of the law for different groups – unions and businesses – both of which are bedrocks of the Democratic coalition? He needs them engaged and have them show up, or Democrats will absolutely NOT hold the Senate in 2014, and he does not want that. But I digress. Obama had a real opportunity to change things the first year, when the numbers were overwhelmingly in his favor, and he didn’t do that. He completely blew that opportunity, and then 2010 happened, and he’s paid the price since.

        I’m sorry for turning this blog into a political forum, GTT. Obama is just a topic that really sets me off. I did like him in 2008, and I wanted to give him a chance to really change politics, but he has failed miserably.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Rant away. Obama IMO never had the right intentions. He lied to everyone and made a bunch of really stupid people believe he really was different. Lets be realistic here. ALL Politicians are the same.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I think it’s actually nice to trade ideas in a non-toxic environment concerning politics. Most sites I see it’s just side A vs. side B calling each other demeaning names. Not so much here.

        I agree 100% with you Akshay; I don’t work in DC but I follow politics pretty closely just because I find it interesting. Times are definitely changing, and I can’t say for the better unfortunately. Too many people want to rely on the government as a safety net and that never works. Just look at Europe and even Argentina.

        I never bought Obama’s promise of “hope and change” and thought it very suspicious he just came out of nowhere; all other presidents had a very substantial history behind them. I mean, we don’t even hear about Obama’s classmates or anything doesn’t anyone else find that strange? Even if he was “Barry Santoro” people would have known him likely and would have stepped out with stories. I can only imagine how much hush money has been spent. Not to sound like a “birther” but it is strange and suspicous the amount of money he’s spent on hiding his birth documents and college transcripts.

        I honestly think he’s mostly a puppet and someone behind him is pulling the strings. If he were white he’d be impeached by now but he knows he’s untouchable for being the “first black president” and to say we have 2 more years of this crap is very frightening. He’s only kicking the healthcare laws down the road to try and keep the Dems’ control over the Senate and get their control over the House; anyone who doesn’t see through this needs to open their eyes. We are in for it.

      • Akshay Says:

        This is the kind of thing I’m talking about.

        Obama keeps trying to sell Obamacare as some great policy, yet he routinely runs away from it. He didn’t have it implemented before his re-election, because he knew he’d have to deal with stories of rising premiums and cancellations, instead of being able to make the GOP look like they were using scare tactics. Now? Knowing the Democrats could very well lose their majority in the Senate, he delays notification of cancellation policies, in hope that people don’t rush to vote with Obamacare cancellations fresh in the news. Disgusting.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Sanity I completely agree with you on the Obama puppet thing!

      • mim Says:

        are there any centrist/more moderate republicans that look to be a key player for future elections? or any good independents?

        not american, but always curious about what’s happening there and fascinated what everyday people think of it!

        i find that in australia anyway, the right in the US is just so much more right/conservative than our conservative government. i daresay a lot of us here can’t fathom hardline conservatism even though it’s slowly starting to shift that way.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I’m not a fan of our republican party either. I think we need a new party. The “I’m not an elitist asshole pig liar that says one thing and does another” party.

      • Akshay Says:

        Yes, I think there are a few centrist/moderate Republicans running in some key races. A perfect example is Shelley Moore Capito, who is running for Senate in West Virginia. Also, Susan Collins, who is one of the most moderate Senators, and one of the best imo, is running for re-election in Maine. Also, keep your eye on Governor Brian Sandoval from Nevada.

        I don’t really have any issue with “solid Conservative” Republicans. You can be a strong Conservative, but you should be pragmatic and be able to govern responsibly. That’s the main quality I look for.

      • Gymbee Says:

        Sanity, re the Obama’s classmates.

        My uncle is American and one of his colleagues studied with Obama at Columbia. He said he was the biggest prig ever. Anyway, just a little anecdote 🙂 (both my uncle and his colleague vote republican, so there may be some bias, but I can see him as one even in college.)

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Obama is rich. Do people really think Democrats are democrats because bthey want to pay more taxes? That is why I love the Democrat side of things. They still defend everything Obama does even when he tries to use tax payers money to get the department of Justice to start a race war they defend it. I just don’t understand it at all and I know republicans are the same way but not to the point Democrats are.

      • Gymbee Says:

        GTT what irks me is that leftists act as if they have monopoly on kindness and compassion. Not sure if it’s like that with dems vs reps but it’s like that in Europe to a degree.

      • Akshay Says:

        No, Gymbee, they do here too. It’s annoying as hell. Democrats go around claiming that Republicans are out of touch with regular people, and that they’re compassionate and care for everyone, while Republicans are selfish people who think all poor people are lazy and deserve to suffer. The act gets old, considering Democrats have their own big business interests and donors, who give them obscene amounts of money too. I mean, I could rant on about hypocrisy in American politics, and what not, but I think I’ll refrain from further blowing up GTT’s blog post with my ravings.

  2. gymnerd Says:

    I’m hoping that rumor is NOT true. When families start living off of their teenagers’ accomplishments, it doesn’t tend to end well. See: Lindsay Lohan, Dominique Moceanu.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      I don’t follow hockey so not sure what the back story is here…

    • Cee Says:

      Agreed. This makes me very nervous. Simone needs to concentrate on her gymnastic right now, not on some business venture of her family’s. Starting a business takes a *ton* of mental energy, plus financial resources. They’re going to need to recruit coaches, drum up both promising elites (which will mean convincing them to leave their current gyms) and the young ones who are the bread and butter, and she’s not a big enough name yet (I’m assuming they’ll be using her as a selling point). WE, the hardcore fans, know her name, but does your average 6 or 7 year old?

      Let’s hope it’s JUST a rumor.

  3. Exgymgurl Says:

    Well Simones parents (grandparents). Seem too smart to be doing that. Simone is not pro so its not like theyve made $$ off of her. It would make more sense for them to invest with the Texas dreams coaches. My understanding is they are renting space while,building their gym……

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      It’s pretty common knowledge that it’s very challenging to make money by running a gym. The elites are time suckers and believe it or not aren’t as profitable as one might think. The TX area has plenty of gyms already. If the rumor is true I’ll be shaking my head for sure. Doesn’t make sense to prematurely leave one gym with the aim of being part of another gym that hasn’t been built yet.

      • Case Says:

        There’s no money in actually training elites. The only real money to be made is off of the 4 year old somersaulting elite wannabes, and it takes a ton of them to make real cash.

  4. Wilma Lucy Says:

    Maybe Simone’s grandparents are building a gym, maybe not…but there has to be some reason for her coach to suddenly decide to no longer be a part of a gym where she has worked for many, many years. I wonder about the injuries that Simone has had…does that have anything to do with her training. And, typically there is more than one coach involved. WIshing Simone the best of luck in the future, and hope that she continues to excel. Although I am sure there is a lot more to do with this story than is being told. The one thing to remember about the gym Simone is leaving, it produced one world champion…who says another isn’t waiting in the wings…and another Elite gymnast and the same coaches (minus the one that has left) may now have the opportunity to excel.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Here is what I have been told. She gave her notice to the gym that she would not be coaching there when the gymnastics season ended but she felt like she was being treated badly by certain people at the gym so she decided to end the relationship now.

      I agree with you. If she planned on leaving after the season she had a place to go that is why I think the building the gym idea might be a possibility.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      Does anyone else think that Marta might be in on this too? Kind of like how she was in on Gabby leaving her old gym to go train with someone else? Maybe Marta has a thing against Bannon’s.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I don’t know if she was in on the change when it comes to the decision but she knew what was going on. Aimee seems like a smart coach and she isn’t going to sink Simone’s near perfect career making the HBIC mad by leaving this gym unless Marta was fine with it.

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        GTT you actually wrote a blog where you thought Kelli hill was going to steal gabby douglas. Right before she bailed to chows. I bet anything Kelli hill declined to take her. or Kelli Hill was asked to evaluate her for Marta. Marta likes a lot of opinions, and since Hills would have been closer than chows, and Kelli took Dawes into her home…..Id bet anything Marta didnt set that up to get gabby to change gyms.

        Remember how after SCAM last year simone wasnt training well and melted down at classics? And Aimee pulled her out to go workout at Martas for a day or so and it changed and she came back and won nationals and hasnt had any issues since? Im pretty sure Marta has a hand in all of this. For both gymnasts. Marta wants whats best for Marta. Marta is a master manipulator and motivator. Shes not going to let Simone flounder.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        That blog came from a comment at GGMB I believe but I remember it.

        The difference here is Gabby wasn’t improving but Simone has shown no signs of slowing down. She just keeps getting better and adding more skills. It would make zero sense for Marta to want to pull Simone from Bannons unless she wants Bela to train her himself.

        Simone won’t have as many medals as Miller overall for the Olympics but she can pass her in world medals if she stays healthy and potentially overall and Marta has always had a bitter taste in her mouth about Shannon and will do anything to erase her from the record books so I wouldn’t put it past Marta to want some credit for Simone’s success.

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        Maybe the other coaches at Bannons were pushing simone not to learn new skills and just to stay where she is at and not keep trying to improve. Marta saw something in gabby when others did not. Marta saw something in Simone. Everyone was surprised she was picked for SCAM last year. But now we all know why. She was crying when she fell off beam because she knew if she had not done that she would have beat Katelyn. Marta saw an issue here and solved it. With plenty of time before 2016.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Aimee is still coaching her though. If this was a case of Marta being Marta Simone would be leaving Bannon’s without her coach.

        I will never understand Gabby getting the scores she did and the beam judges giving her credit for connections she never hit and those ridiculous scores on floor and her bars going up 4 tenths where her lower start valueonly didn’t matter for her.

        Nope something is suspicious about all of that.

  5. Exgymgurl Says: Cute interview with Sandra. I didnt realize she is only the third romanian gymnast to win golds in two different olympics. Simona Amanar and Nadia are the other two.

  6. Lithi Says:

    As far as Ukraine, I was thinking of the gymnasts, current and former who still live there and their families. They must have been shitting bricks. I hate all politicians equally, I guess that makes me a perfect Democrat. :p

    I just need to do a non-gymnast rant: this GoFundMe/Kickstarter crap has got to stop. Some guy wanted $50000 to take time off to be a stay at home dad. So he, like millions of parents, don’t have the finances to do it so he decides to beg. And he’s SUCH a charmer, too. Criminy.

    • Cee Says:

      I know, I’ve been worrying about that as well–*how* many great Ukrainian gymnasts have there been? Viktoria Karpenko, Tatiana Gutsu, Lilypod, Oksana Omelianchik…I’m hoping all their families are safe.

      • Gymbee Says:

        And Mirabella Akhunu! I randomly thought about her the other day, and decided to google her. Sad thing the second top hit on google is some fascist/white supremacy message board discussing her 😦

      • Karlie Says:

        Livchikova!! Although with her double ACL tear I don’t know if we’ll see her again anyway, but still. 😦

  7. Catherine Says:

    Not getting into republican, democrat, Obama, Hilary etc. as I just don’t know enough as an outsider, but I’m curious about your comments about the health system, Sanity. You said Obamacare is ruining the health system. Care aside as obviously the world leader there, but your health system is renowned as the worst system in the developed world. The cost, the fact that everyday people are not getting help that they need because they can’t afford it. I’m just wondering how Obamacare is affecting it, I suppose.

    I don’t know enough about Canada’s system but the NHS taxpayer-funded system in the UK works well. Waiting lists, waiting times, bed shortages exist but fundamentally a good system. It has the population density for it to work, 60 million on that island. Most European countries have heavily-subsidised health systems and it works. Ours is crippled by the economy unfortunately and has lots of problems but I can still go to A&E tomorrow, stay in a semi-private ward for a week have loads of things done and only pay €100. The costs associated with the US system is mind-boggling and maybe Obamacare is not the right way to fix it. I do hope in my lifetime that something effective is done to change the system though.

    • Akshay Says:

      As someone who does not like Obamacare, I’m not trying to glorify going back to the old system. I simply do not think Obamacare is the right solution.

      Democrats rushed to get this healthcare bill through, without really thinking about the possible consequences (or they knew about them, and lied repeatedly). The bill was ~2000 pages long, and many have acknowledged that they simply did not read it when they passed it. As some of the negative consequences are being felt now (people getting cancellations, premiums and costs rising astronomically — my premium has gone up $700, for example), you are starting to see where Democrats are trying to have it repeatedly delayed to avoid feeling electoral consequences (many key portions have been repeatedly delayed, and Obama’s delay today was blatantly for timing reasons with midterms upcoming) or are simply running a campaign against the very law they voted to pass (see Mary Landrieu in Louisiana). A lot of the problem is the promises that were made (see: “If you like your plan, you can keep it” — which has been rated the “Lie of the Year”), which have simply been false, and have left a lot of people upset. As people are forced to get new insurance plans, some of these plans do not cover specific doctors, which means people are forced to find new doctors — which is especially startling for people like my grandmother, for example, who might have to find a new doctor after going to the same one for thirty years. It’s a matter of a patient being comfortable with their doctor, etc. There’s another aspect of the law (the employer mandate), which requires employers (who have a certain number of employees), to offer health insurance to anyone who works above 29 hrs. The issue is, many employers are already preparing to reduce people’s hours in order to avoid this requirement.

      A lot of people are upset because Obamacare represents a shift in the fundamental role of government. One of the most unpopular aspects of it (the Individual Mandate) requires that you buy health insurance if you can afford it, or risk paying a penalty (which I believe has been labeled as a tax now after the SCOTUS case concerning the law). For many people, they believe this is an overreach by the government… forcing people to buy something even if they don’t want it, and in some cases, the plans you are being forced to buy offer services you will never need, yet you’re forced to buy them anyway. I guess, independence/self-reliance has always been a core American value, so some people view the law as conflict with this.

      Do I think we need some sort of change in our healthcare system? Yes, I do. There ARE some popular aspects of Obamacare which I appreciate: allowing children to stay on their parents’ plans until 26 and mandating that insurers can’t turn away people with pre-existing conditions. That, I like. But overall, Obamacare is simply not the answer. It is incredibly poorly designed, poorly executed (they couldn’t even design a damn website correctly, which made the cancellations even worse, and the rollout was disastrous), the fiscal balance for it is tenuous at best, and you’re seeing costs go up for a large amount of people. About 5-6 million people have been thrown off their plans already, and that number could grow soon.

      Again, I’m for reform, but this is not the answer. The original plan was for Democrats to go for a “single-payer” system, but a lot of the Southern Democrats, who represent more Conservative constituencies, (Mary Landrieu, Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson, etc) would not support it. Ultimately, the Democrats settled for this, which has not only infuriated 99% of the Republicans (it was passed without a single Republican vote — it is undoubtedly the most dramatic piece of legislation in American history to pass without a single vote from the opposition party), but it is incredibly unpopular with independent/tossup voters, and many on the left are dissatisfied, because they argue that Obamacare does not actually achieve the goal of ensuring universal health coverage.

      I hope this answers your questions.

      • Catherine Says:

        Thank you Ashkay, very interesting. Definitely a big help 🙂

        Do you think it’s a system that could be reformed in the future and made good, or would they have to start from scratch again?

      • Akshay Says:

        This is an interesting question, because many Conservatives will claim that Obamacare was “designed to fail,” so that Democrats could eventually take us to a single payer system, which was the Democrats’ first choice to begin with.

        I’m not sure if this completely answers your question, but this is the best I have to offer, to be honest. I think if the Republicans win the Senate in 2014, hold it in 2016 and win the White House (meaning they would control the House, Senate, and Presidency, giving them a lot of flexibility when it comes to policy), then you will see Obamacare repealed and replaced with something different — something I hope comes without some of the issues I pointed out above.

        However, that’s a big hypothetical, as the Republican party is currently dealing with a significant amount of infighting between various groups who have different visions for the future direction of the party. It’s tough to hold these coalitions together, while also trying to appeal to independent/tossup voters AND possibly new voters as well, which is what contributed to the Republican losses in 2012 (along with many other factors, which I’m not going to go into, because I could write a book about this). The Republicans have easily blown five, maybe more Senate races due to party infighting. Had they not blown these races, they would already have the Senate majority, and would likely be expanding into a much larger one this year. I’m not saying Republicans can’t win the White House. I think it should be a fairly tough race for both parties, and if Obama’s position doesn’t improve, then Democrats will have to run against Obama fatigue. I’m do think though that the party needs to work on unity in the next few years, and in general, being a “Big Tent” — understanding that not everyone within a party is going to agree 100% of the time. You can be Conservative, hypothetically, on 60% of the issues, and still be a Republican. That kind of thing.

        I also just think the Senate will depend on how things go this year. In my opinion, the Republicans can go anywhere from (at absolute, positively worse) losing a total of two seats, to (at absolute best) gaining a total of ~12 seats. In my opinion, it will ultimately be anywhere from R +2 to +3 to +7 or +8. The map for Democrats is incredibly bad this year, as they have to defend 7 seats in states which Mitt Romney won, and where Obamacare and Obama are both incredibly unpopular. Not to mention, there is the common “six year itch,” where a president’s party loses seats in the 6th year of his administration, due to voter fatigue. Additionally, not as many people show up to vote in midterm years, so the electorate is likely to be more Conservative than the one that showed up in 2012. Things are an uphill battle for Democrats, so we’ll have to see how it goes.

        In 2016 though, Republicans have to defend some tough Senate seats, in several states which Democrats generally win in Presidential elections, or states which are tossups. So I think that will ultimately depend on the national environment in 2016. I do think the Republicans are looking at losing at least one or two seats, so if they win a lot of seats this year, they can afford to lose a few. If they win a narrow majority, by one or two seats, then any loses would flip control back.

        In the event the Democrats hold the Presidency or Senate control in 2016 (or both), then I do not think Obamacare will have any major changes, unless it does turn out to be as horrible as many suspect, and there’s more electoral pressure from voters (particularly some who are core Democratic constituencies). It has been bad so far, but I think a lot of the Democrats are currently trying to convince people to “wait and see,” claiming it’ll be better down the road. Ultimately, if there is Democratic control in the Senate or White House, there will be more reluctance to make major changes, simply because there’s a lot of pride invested in this, on Obama’s behalf.

        Ideally, I would like to see it repealed and replaced with another system, as I’m not sure you can make some of the changes so easily. For example, in an effort to “make good” on Obama’s “if you like your plan, you can keep it” promise, Congress was considering a bill which allowed people to keep their plans which were being cancelled. The issue was, by making this seemingly small change to the bill, you’re undermining the entire law, and really weakening it (which not everyone understood). For this reason, a lot of Democrats were hesitant to support what would seem to be a common-sense fix, if that makes sense. Having said that, as I’ve tried to explain in this long tirade (and I’m sorry if it’s incoherent, it’s late here), a lot will depend on the electoral situation in this November’s elections, and then 2016’s.

      • Catherine Says:

        It makes so much more sense than if I struggled through articles and editorials as they tend not to be aimed at readers who need things laid out simply. Thank you again!!

        I wonder as a hypothetical thing if everyone paid a 5% tax with exemptions for those below a certain threshold of income and maybe a higher rate for those earning above another limit, could that work to support a system? The actual costing of things obviously needs an overhaul. Just wondering, obviously that would not be easy to even think about implementing and I know different states have different laws etc. but yeahhhh.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        The rich would never agree to that though it clearly is the smartest way to go. As it is right now about 33% of my paycheck goes to some kind of tax.

        I am pretty sure everyone could afford to pay 5% of their pay even the people making crap money but it seems at least to me the US Government likes to keep people dependent on them so they can run things.

      • sanitynmotion Says:


      • Gymbee Says:

        Thank you Akshay, for summing that up! Very interesting read for a European 🙂 And thanks Catherine for asking! 😀

      • byrdisthewyrd Says:

        On another note, I will be saving $300 per month thanks to the Affordable Care Act and my mother-in-law now has healthcare for the first time in years because she was continuously denied before. This is huge for us and has definitely helped many people I know so far!

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        You are the first person I have heard who is saving money. I don’t make a lot of money at all and I am not saving money I am not forced to have medical when I will never use it.

      • Akshay Says:

        Catherine, I think your idea is not necessarily a bad one. In order to have dramatic changes in the system, something has got to give. Ultimately, I don’t think something like that will happen, though.

        One thing I think is interesting (and this is not directed to any of you, so please excuse me if I sound patronizing or anything – that is not my intention), that people don’t always realize, is that policy is not just politicians bickering about details. There are so many layers involved, and far more actors involved as well, such as a variety of interest groups, lobbyists, donors, etc who have stakes in policy as well. It’s kind of a problem, but I doubt it gets solved anytime soon. I was encouraged when Obama (very very early on, it was like the second day of his presidency) promised that he would “subject lobbyists to stricter limits than under any other administration in history.” That has been an utter and blatant lie, and that is one of the loooong list of lies I have handy c/o Obama.

        Tax increases are one of the toughest things to sell to anyone. The American public generally wants low taxes (unless it’s someone else paying for them), but they also want extensive government programs and services. Something has got to give, because long term, trying to have both is unsustainable.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Akshay – totally spot on about the lawyers/lobbyists. I tried to send a long rant about this (and how this is a major part of why our healthcare system – before Obamacare – was overcostly and inefficient) but WordPress didn’t like me and I didn’t feel like re-typing my rant.

        The problem is our government overspends on entitlement programs that are overburdening us tax payers. Society in general is OK with other people paying those taxes (like you said) and that’s why the Dems love to sell the “higher taxes on the wealthy 1%” to all of us. They also like to say have the rich corporations pay more in taxes, but those rich corps are protected by their lawyers and such. The rich are also protected because they have enough money to hire people to determine how to avoid paying too much in tax. They also have other outlets like offshore bank accounts that the middle class does not have, so there you go. Even Obama has offshore bank accounts.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      Our system does suck Catherine – don’t get me wrong there. They need to get rid of the lawyers/lobbyists that drive the costs up and instill tort reform (basically, too many sue-happy people in this world have made it so that lawyers are richer than ever and meanwhile the average joe’s can’t afford healthcare).

      Then we have the problem with allowing too many immigrants (illegal aliens – to be totally non-PC) to take advantage of our system and get their health issues paid for by us taxpayers/worker bees. An illegal can walk into an ER and be treated for no cost; meanwhile, if I were to go to an ER I am asked for my credit card and health insurance card right away and charged $600. That was my last ER bill (just a couple months ago) because I thought I had appendicitis and it turned out to bed cysts on my ovaries. I know, TMI, but anyways…freakin $600. There goes the next 3 months’ worth of groceries. And my healthcare plan is covered by my husband’s employer so it’s not the worst of them. I have a $3,000 deductible.

      I don’t know the ins/outs of our current system but I do know that it sucked before Obamacare. The problem with Obamacare was that it did not help our system; it just made it worse. It’s plain and simple math. With more sick people in the system and not enough young/healthy people signing up for it, who do you think is footing the bill here? The middle class. Again. And here Obama tries to pretend he’s all “for” helping the middle class when all he’s doing is dissolving it. There’s a wider divide than ever between the rich and the poor, and the rich are getting richer while the middle class is becoming broke with all these extra mandates and taxes.

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