Live blogging the Olympics Women’s LP: Bring back the British


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These things are such a waste but this already has over 7 thousand signatures. It can’t hurt. ( Almost 400.000 now, wow)


They see her two foot a jump and then a second and still say she brought it. I don’t even know.

Was Yuna robbed article

Bill Plaschke article

Ashley Wagner doesn’t like the judging.

More Christine Brennan with quotes. Hey Joe Inman, You need to shut up. You cheated yourself.

Christine Brennan is practically leading the charge on this thing.

LOL sent me these tweets from Christine Brennan that boggle the mind. This was fixed from the start people and not sure why I am surprised anymore.

I can’t agree with this result at all. Adeline got a gift in the SP and the long. The Olympics should never be in Russia again.

The second they over scored Adeline in the PCS this competition was over and Johnny and Tara refuse to even call this out.

We know Johnny is pro Russia. I don’t know I think Adeline should have been third.

I hate this idea that Yuna or any skater has to live up to the perfection of their past.

SHUT UP TARA You basically just justified your pathetic win. Who cares about scores because she had heart. Give me a break

This is why these two should never be on NBC. They suck


Yuna Kim I will be back after she skates. If that doesn’t win I am done with this sport.

She had perfect jumps except for one and that was hardly that bad but they are not going to give her this.

Ashley Wagner She double footed her triple triple but I thought the rest of her jumps were solid though edge calls for one or two which isn’t really solid.. Overall it was just good for Ashley.

They are taking for ever judges

Gracie Gold I was about to praise her then she fell. Solid jumps til the fall even landed well. No scratchy landings at all til the fall. She was slow and her edges were messy.

No Johnny this did not look like a gold medal performance to start. Don’t think that was a personal best. It was disconnected with the crowd (Johnny)

Adelina Sotnikova She hit all her jumps but a double foot on a triple, double double but I take back that Kostner isn’t an artist. Compared to Adeline she looked like a ballerina. This was a pretty good performance but the GOE should not be as high as Carolina but mad props to this kid for showing up at an Olympics in her Country.

Not sure I agree with that. Yuna is not winning this and these judges should be fired.

Carolina Kostner She hit her jumps but the last one was a little scratchy. It was a hit for arguments sake but I just didn’t feel the music with this. People keep calling her an artist and while she is certainly better than 4 years ago I don’t see the artistry as clearly as others. She will be in first and deserve it though so good for her.

10 points better than her personal best. Second in the LP behind Mao.

Yulia Lipnitskaya She might have a shot at this. She thinks she is out of it. Everyone else looks nervous. Ashley and Yuna both popped jumps in warmup.

She is hitting her jumps but not perfectly. A little scratchy landing. Just two footed a triple loop. Down she goes.

Russia over used her in the team event and it effected her here. Imagine if she had not done the team event.

I am afraid of what he score will be.

Into 1st. Don’t think I agree but

THE final group is on the ice.

It will be uninterrupted. Nice NBC now BRING BACK THE BRITISH

Ashley is talking over a bunch of skater entrances saying everyone has a shot to win when you lace up your skates. That’s a cute idealistic

No Johnny the difference is not keeping your brain together. Its who the judges like.

Its ugly dress day.
Nathalie Weinzierl This is very juniorish. No offense little girl but very impressive for a girl to get to the Olympics so congrats but the rest is underwhelming. Missing all her jumps.

Tara is now making excuses for the un-artistic like her. No there is no space for both. Why can’t skaters have both like Yuna?

Terry Gannon sounds thrilled that Yuna doesn’t have a lead. He is almost giddy about it.

Polina Edmonds Yes Terry we remember the Terror over score. Polina is nailing all her jumps and her spins are pretty fast. I spoke too soon. On her butt. She is trying to be artistic but I don’t know. It wasn’t that bad I don’t know. Her last combination spin was centered almost the entire time. Pretty good job for the kid.

Into 3rd with a new personal best.

NO JOHNNY. Its bad enough you are commentating.

Valentina Marchei reminds me of the Chinese. Black outfit with a red hair piece. They wear red leotards with pink hair ties and it just seems out of place. Her skating is boring me to tears.

Johnny calls it solid. Tara says she nailed it. I found it boring and slow moving. What the hell would you know about doing the little things Terror?

Where are the British announcers NBC?

I was enjoying them and now I am stuck with Tara who babbles and Weir. The two of them sound so monotone. They sound like Aly Raisman pre Olympics.


I missed Mao but it looks like she nailed it.Good for her.Way to fight back. I am watching Akiko who just fell but it was a pretty artistic pretty performance to watch.

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193 Responses to “Live blogging the Olympics Women’s LP: Bring back the British”

  1. lovelucas Says:

    I’m enjoying Johnny. More and more plus he actually identifies the jumps and the problems when they’re there. Mao was the skate of the Olympics.

  2. lovelucas Says:

    Dick’s live tweets: Dick Button’s Advice Column 4 @TaraandJohnny: Johnny, I warned you about tiaras and possibly losing hair. Political statements also a no-no.
    Dick Button ‏@PushDicksButton 3m

    Lipnitskaya: It was inevitable.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      I can’t believe Dick Button said Yuna’s short program was boring. He’s an idiot. Like any of his programs he ever skated weren’t boring.

  3. lovelucas Says:

    How in the world can Julia be in 1st place over Mao? With higher PCS? Julia fell —twice.
    Julia’s PCS is 70.06. Mao was 69.68

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      Who’s Julia…the Russian girl?

    • Exgymgurl Says:

      That is where this is so messed up… No wonder the Canadians whine… I wonder what the s Korean federation is doing for her rt now….

  4. GymMom Says:

    Mao was awesome! Johnny and Tara are terrible! Their clothes and jewelry would be better commentators. Ha ha. Ashley Wagner needs to shut up!

  5. GymMom Says:

    And Gracie’s down too?

  6. GymMom Says:

    Johnny and Tara wearing matching headbands is the worst!

  7. GymMom Says:

    Hello Johnny Weir….”Gracie skated well except for the mistakes?” THAT HEADBAND OF YOURS IS TOO TIGHT!

  8. david0688 Says:

    Is there anyone that’s clutch and sound fundamentally? We need an American like that.

    • GymMom Says:

      Sorry Ashley, no podium for you! Your claim to fame is your “bitch face” last week.

  9. GymMom Says:

    @PushDicksButton: “Wasn’t it fun when we saw many and long variations of spirals? Where are you, Michelle Kwan, when we need you?”

  10. sanitynmotion Says:

    Can someone tell me how Yuna did?

  11. GymMom Says:

    @PushDicksButton: “Sotnikova: Her dress was grey, her tights were too dark for her white arms, isn’t there a designer in the house?”

    Could be said of all the skaters today.

  12. sanitynmotion Says:

    If I could delete my last comment about Yuna…guess she hasn’t gone yet. The fact she got last lets me think she has a shot. I’m surprised they didn’t give that spot to the Russian.

    GTT you made me nervous when you said “Yuna isn’t winning this.”

    I hope she does. I will call it a fix if the Russian girl wins.

    Too bad everyone is falling….like the men.

    I don’t think the Yulia girl should use the excuse she was used too much in the team event. She had plenty of time to rest. If anything the team event let her get the nerves out. Meryl & Charlie were used just as much and they brought it.

    The team event is stupid anyways I kind of hope they get rid of it.

  13. GymMom Says:

    Ashley Wagner I like the “bitch face” better than “fake smile.”

  14. GymMom Says:

    Yuna’s dress is ugly too!

  15. lovelucas Says:

    Bravo Ashley!!! Redemption, great skate. Won’t medal – she’ll end up in 7th…I think

    • Cee Says:

      I loved it! She did great, she should be very proud of herself. A very bold move, to switch LPs a month before the Games, but it paid off for her–well done.

  16. sanitynmotion Says:

    Where’s a picture of the ugly dresses?

    I am confused how all these skaters are getting “personal bests” with falls. Do they just consistently suck the other times they compete?

  17. sanitynmotion Says:

    Seriously regretting following Dick Button on Twitter. Every stupid tweet he promotes his stupid book.

  18. sanitynmotion Says:

    Did the Russian girl do THAT good? A 149 in her free skate?

    • GymMom Says:

      Fix is in!

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        OMG the Russian got it. You’ve got to be fucking kidding me.

        This sport is a joke. A joke! So you get points deducted for skating while not being Russian!

    • GymMom Says:

      After the hockey team was ousted yesterday, nobody should be surprised.

  19. GymMom Says:

    Yuna seemed to be holding back. Fixed!

    • lovelucas Says:

      Russian crowd cheered her slight landing problem on one jump. That’s all it took when their home girl was overscored in both the SP and the LP

  20. GymMom Says:

    Adelina will get Gold but she doesn’t deserve it!

  21. lovelucas Says:

    Not a fan of the result.

    • GymMom Says:

      Happy for Costner….because I’m Italian. Ha ha

      • lovelucas Says:

        For sure! Love her- Got to see her when she was a pup at the 2003 World Championships. The Italian boys (well, actually quite a few non-Italian guys, too) were all cheering for her – everything she did.

  22. lovelucas Says:

    Dick Button ‏@PushDicksButton 1m

    To the people of Korea: At one point, I had doubts regarding Yu-Na Kim – not after today. She was superb, elegant, charming. Never a wilt.

  23. lovelucas Says:

    heh – and then this: Dick Button ‏@PushDicksButton 59s

    Sotnikova was energetic, strong, commendable, but not a complete skater. I fear I will never be allowed back in Russia again.

  24. GymMom Says:

    Yuna held back. It was so obvious!!!! They promised her the Gold in 2018. So FIXED!!!

  25. sanitynmotion Says:

    So Dick Button goes from criticizing Yuna to basically saying she got screwed.

    Well I agree with his last point. The writing was on the wall.

    Russian hockey team out so they may as well fix it so they get to have the “queen of the ball.”

    Whatever. Hopefully someone will be called out for this. It’s only obvious who was the better skater and of course that person did not get gold for the sake of not being a citizen in the host country.

    Screw the Olympics, screw figure skating, and especially screw figure skating judges. What the eff is the point. These kids spend their lives learning this craft only to be screwed by politics later on.

  26. GymMom Says:

    Johnny Weir almost broke his legs jumping on the Adelina bandwagon! Idiot!!!! Tara that top you wore today along with your dumb braid is the worst!

  27. Karlie Says:

    Pissed that Yuna lost. She should have been waaaaay ahead after the SP. Something tells me that if Lipnitskaya hadn’t fallen BOTH times they would have put her atop the podium.

    • Tortuga Says:

      I think that was obvious after they hyped her so much in team competition. I really hate the home scoring advantage, and the scoring system in general. How are they breaking personal best and highest scores ever recorded left and right. We don’t even see a start value to base deductions off of. They think the fans are just idiots that believe all this stuff for face value. I’m also pissed Yuna didn’t win, but I probably shouldn’t be surprised that a Russian was overscored at home Olympics.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I knew she had no chance after the SP. They didn’t care which Russian won. Adeline is a good little skater but she has no presence on the ice. Its just jump skate fast jump.

  28. sanitynmotion Says:

    I’ll bet South Korea is up in arms. I can’t imagine they’d be too happy with this.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Even GGMB thinks Yuna should have won and they are pro Kostner on every level.

    • GymMom Says:

      They don’t care because they get the next Winter Games Sanity.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        By then she’ll be gone. She helped them to get that winter games.

        She was robbed, point blank. Just robbed.

        I hope this sport gets a lot of questions after these results are widely known. Fingers need to be pointed.

  29. GymMom Says:

    Complimenti Carolina! The “gifting suites” in Sochi were wide open last night and today….Adelina grabbed everything!

  30. lovelucas Says:

    Via poster on Tai’s blog: Walter, it’s not Vanessa that worries me, but Lakernik, Balkov, and Shekhovtseva. The wife of a federation head should never be on a panel! This was in response to “Walter’s” post of That says it all, Vanessa Gusmeroli was the tech specialist- from France. Hhhmmm…makes you think of french judge, Marie-Reine Le Gougne, from the 2002 Olympic scandal, eh?

  31. GymMom Says:

    Let’s hope the USA Women don’t choke against Canada. They missed an empty net goal after Canada pulled their goalie. Canada used the extra attacker to tie up the game. OT coming up shortly.

  32. lovelucas Says:

    Turns out that Shekohovtseva is the wife of the Russian Federation. And she’s on the judging panel. Plus she has a history of always favoring the Russians.That explains a lot.

  33. GymMom Says:

    GTT, first time USA has been kept off the Women’s Figure Skating Podium since 1936.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      Weren’t they off the podium in 2010 as well? Yuna won gold, Mao won silver, and the Canadian girl won bronze because she had home team advantage and her mom had just died (sorry, it had to be said).

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I agree about the last Olympics. Canada was overscored but at least she deserved her bronze.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Yeah – but she was overscored. I get it for being in the home country but this time around it was just so vastly obvious. Yuna should have won gold and the overscored Russian could have gotten the silver. I could have lived with that. Although we’d still be hearing about how Costner got robbed.

        I’m hoping now though people can calm down about Gold’s last name and their stupid high hopes that she’d be on podium. She was lucky to even be 4th. If Yulia and Mao had landed their jumps (at least in the SP) she’d be 7th. But then again, I’d be willing to bet if Yulia had landed her jumps we’d be seeing a different gold medalist, and likely even bronze medalist.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Quality os skating matters and Yuna does about everything better than Adeline. This is just bull shit.

      • david0688 Says:

        Does this say something about the U.S.? Have we bottomed out talent wise? How long will it take to get a gold skater again?

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      They keep saying that but we didn’t win a medal 4 years ago either.

    • lovelucas Says:

      One encouraging thing – we didn’t medal but look at how all 3 of the US ladies placed. No other country has 3 in the top 9.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I guess if Yuna, Costner, and Mao retire that means maybe the US will make podium on the world stage this next quad.

  34. Tortuga Says:

    And we just lost the women’s hockey gold.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      That should have been a penalty shot. What a joke

      • GymMom Says:

        It basically was a penalty shot. Canada pulled their goalie with USA one man short…3 on 5. USA led the whole game.

      • GymMom Says:

        How did USA miss that open net goal after Canada pulled their goalie near the end of the 3rd period?

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        They literally choked this away but they got no help from the refs.

    • david0688 Says:

      No point in playing Canada if they keep dominating. It’s not right, it’s not fair.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      Maybe they should do what they did to softball and just eliminate it from Olympic competition, because one country always seems to win.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        They talked about getting rid of it because the US wins too much and then this crapola. I am so over this Olympics already

    • david0688 Says:

      Well how do you improve the U.S. women’s hockey team? How? Who do you get? There’s no women’s National Hockey League so how do you get professional talent?

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Good question but you don’t get to cancel a sport because others are better. They need to find a way.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Is there a professional women’s Canadian hockey team? It’s not like there’s a valid excuse for “why” Canada is better, they just are. Every sport seems to have its cycles.

      • david0688 Says:

        Then why even have hockey? Why not just give Canada the gold medal every four years instead of competing against them?

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        They did that to softball – took it out because the US kept winning. Oddly enough in its last Olympics the Japanese won it I think.

        Maybe one of these days someone will beat Canada. I mean, there are other medals besides gold to think about.

        I honestly don’t care about hockey. I don’t find it exciting at all. I love other similar sports but just can never get myself to be excited about hockey. I don’t know why.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Hockey is so exciting to me. I can’t even watch it sometimes. Ice rink is too small and skaters are fast

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        That isn’t how sport works. The US needed to imnprove and they had this until the non called penalty.

  35. GymMom Says:

    It’s the first time since 1936 that no American man or woman finished on the podium in singles at an Olympics.

  36. GymMom Says:

    People are starting to realize that the Olympics are more about politics and money than about athleticism. I watched very little of these games.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      I ask myself every 4 years why I put myself through this.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      No kidding – it’s like I get so excited about the Olympics and then I get so super disappointed. Mainly with the judging sports (which tend to unfortunately be my favorite).

      I also have to ask myself why is there this huge competition to host the Olympic games. It’s like a wedding. Spend eons of time and money preparing for it and then it’s over before you know it. Was it worth it? I’m sure Russia used its mob money but still…wonder if it’s in debt over all this.

      Doesn’t look like the US will host anytime soon. Obviously the rest of the world or the people on the IOC hate us.

      • david0688 Says:

        Well there was a proposal to have one of the Olympics in the San Francisco Bay area but too many problems would have arisen from that.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Chicago tried to get it too, I think at least twice – with Obama’s support. We lost out in the second round I think.

        They should host it in Detroit; that area needs some redevelopment.🙂

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Boston is trying for 2020 I almost hope we don’t get it. If we do I’ll have a party at my apartment and we can all stay there. Everyone is invited:) Won’t be anonymous

      • Cee Says:

        Ooooh, that would be so cool! Anywhere in the mid-Atlantic or Northeast (Boston, NYC or DC), I would be thrilled–I’m dying to go to an Olympics. DYING. And party at GTT’s, I make killer margaritas!

    • david0688 Says:

      I don’t think I want an Olymics in America, the stupid celebrities would show up. Also, our opening ceremony won’t be about our history or culture; it’ll just be about our current culture with bad musicians performing.

  37. GymMom Says:

    GTT thanks for keeping it real and honest here! We may not be able to change things, but we don’t have to accept them. Our voices must never be silenced.

  38. GymMom Says:

    GTT I don’t know if me or my family will ever go to
    another Olympics and frankly, that is fine with me.

  39. GymMom Says:

    Is this blog anonymous? Ha ha.

  40. GymMom Says:

    Not to change the subject, but I saw that Gabby had an online chat in the Google Hangout & she mentioned how she was going to get some medals in Rio. Yeah right Gabby……in what alternate universe?? Delusional much Gabby?

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      Who does she think she’s kidding? I saw some promotion recently where she’s up against Ian Thorpe and another athlete on some Royal Caribbean athletic challenge…I saw her arms. The girl is definitely not doing gymnastics. Two years until Rio she is too late to really come back unless she only wants to try for a bars/beam spot, and we all know that’s going to be next to impossible.

  41. david0688 Says:

    I wonder if this is all insurance for the Russians. They let the 17 year old win now because she probably won’t be back in 2018 and have the 15 incubate until she gets good enough for 2018 so she can win. Back to back Russian champions.

  42. gingercrush Says:

    Of course it was fixed. But bah. Canadians were screwed over in the Ice Dancing.

    Technical scores aren’t too bad. They’re fixed to an extent but the PCs scoring is all over the place and just bizarre. Entirely fixed. Kim was screwed, the Canadians were screwed and the Americans can’t complain because they got a Gold. I don’t even understand why they’re complaining. They got their win.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      Are you kidding? The Canadians weren’t screwed and the American ladies all placed top 10. Yuna is from South Korea not the US.
      It looks like the majority of people are seeing this as a fix and rightly so. I hope they hold this judging panel accountable.

      • gingercrush Says:

        But you can’t claim for the ladies to be fixed and not question every other result we’ve seen these Olympics.

        They’re all related.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        The ladies had a Russian in competition for gold. In Ice Dance Russia has no shot at gold. BIG difference when 4 Soviet republiks get on one panel and one of those judges cheated with the french before and the other is married to the RUSSIAN FE President

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        The US has beaten the Canadians in Ice dance for 2 straight years. Adaline came out of no where and got ridiculous scores she didn’t deserve.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Ashley thinks because she didn’t fall she should be ahead but as for ice dance BLAH, US won fair and square and everyone is pissed about Yuna Kim and those not pissed about her think Kostner should have won.

      4 former Sovet Republics on one panel is a disaster waiting to happen

      • gingercrush Says:

        The fixing took place two years ago. The Russian ladies weren’t ready to win two years ago which is why they weren’t scoring as they are now. But Davis & White were skating well two years ago which is why from two years ago they have won everything. Look Davis & White are a good team and maybe even deserve that Gold. But honestly do you think Virtue & Moir had a chance to win Ice Dance gold this year even at their best? I don’t think so.

        People are screaming about the ladies event. But these fixes are never just one event. They’re related to each other.

        I’m just pissed the Russians couldn’t do this to Komova in gymnastics. Russia doesn’t need actual good gymnasts. Just learn how the Russian Skating federation does things.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        The Russian ladies were below average until Europeans this year so if there was a switch vote for them it happened rather quickly. I think this panel just over scored whichever Russian stood up.

        You can add any date to the Ice Dance situation but Charlie and Meryl were robbed 4 years ago as far as I am concerned. If anything was fixed it was that competition.

        The competition was in Russia not the US so yes I think if the Canadians program was better they could have won.

        I am not saying the US could never try and fix an event ( I am convinced Lipinski’s win was to keep Michelle in skating. They knew she would retire if she won) but I don’t buy the ice dance theory since the Canadians have always been overscored. They finally get the right scores. It took 4 long years.

        If it was really fixed for the US Ice dance pair the Candians never would have sniffed a world record score.

        I still think the fix was in for Nastia against Shawn due to her being Russian. Russia is always in the middle of all trouble

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Russia won gold in 3 of the 5 skating disciplines. Also a bronze in ice dance and additional silver in pairs. If Russia was playing tit for tat who got the tat?
        I seriously believe there were 2 podium spots fixed for Russia in the ladies event and it didn’t go down that way because one fell. The fact she even came in 5th is questionable.
        Meryl and Charlie deserved their gold. Virtue and Moir were close to their best but M & D were at their best so it just wasn’t going to go down that way. M & D have been winning consistently the past 2 years so why anyone feels that V&M were robbed is beyond me.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I just read that 6 of the 9 judges in the ladies final were ex Soviet.

        Can this be any more clear?

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I totally see your point and even agree the whole sport is suspect

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I just hope the figure skating association or whoever it is will have to answer to this. There should never have been allowed a majority of soviet judges on this panel in the first place.

        This sport has always been suspect.

        Tara’s win in Nagano was bad enough. This win just seems worse. It was so obvious. It’s like they think the public is stupid. Even four-year fans are seeing through this bullshit.

  43. gingercrush Says:

    Lol I’m not saying Davis & White didn’t deserve their Gold. Well I am (lol) because I love Virtue & Moir. But despite them being the best the result was just as fixed as the ladies. I believe Virtue & Moir were the best in vancouver but that result was probably fixed too and related to what happened in the Mens figure skating there.

    The ladies was a masterstroke but it was also done so obviously by Russia that it is clearly fixed. The others were far more subtle and worked (with little suspicion except by Canadians) beause at the end all three Gold medalists were likely the best there.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      It is only fixed if there was a deal unless it was ladies because having 6 of the 9 people on the panel as ex Soviets makes everything suspicious.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      I see what you mean. I get it. There’s the “muted” fix and the “obvious” fix. The muted being when the best teams won, but they got help. Or maybe there was a “switcheroo” but it’s not as obvious.

      The obvious one happened today, where there was an obvious switcheroo. I honestly think the Russian didn’t even deserve silver from the looks of it.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      I will sell my opinion like this.

      In 2002 I don’t think there was a fix for Irina to win. I think those judges tried to cheat in favor of Irina all on their own.

      Then again I have no clue how these judges were picked and it is way weird that the US judge was off in favor of a Russian and a Ukraine.

      • gingercrush Says:

        See I’m the opposite when it comes to Irina. I think the fix was in but after what happened with the Pairs they couldn’t let her win. That pairs event was fixed but still think the Russians were better than the Canadians. The fix was in for the French in the Ice Dancing but still they were the best in those Olympics. Slutskaya was much better than Sarah Hughes. But for some reason Hughes was not penalised enough in the short and skated a blinder of a free skate. Irina may not have fallen but she made enough mistakes and sadly was punished because of what happened in the Pairs.

        I suspect that had the Canadians in the pairs legitimately lost the Gold (by falling or making some huge error) then Russia would have gone 4 for 4. Slutskaya could have skated just as she done and hughes would have been completely shut out. The only one that could have stolen that Gold was Kwan and she would have needed to be perfect. Slutskaya was the victim of the fallout in regards to the pairs competition.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        What happened in pairs? Refresh my memory?

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Irina has no business winning that Olympics. Her LP was a huge mess. Kwan should have been second in the LP and won the whole thing. but honestly we will be here all night if this is discussed so lets not.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Kwan fell a lot though, right? I actually forgot because I remember I wanted to put it out of my memory.

        Irina shouldn’t have been anywhere near a podium. All she did was skate and jump.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Kwan fell once and still had 6 triples

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I remember the fall. Did she not double foot some jumps too?

        Irina fell too, no? I just like to forget those games.

      • gingercrush Says:

        2002. Canadians lost the Gold to the Russians despite the Russians making visible mistakes. The Russians deserved to win but the judging was fixed with the French judge going for the Russians so the French could win in Ice Dance. Ladies being the fourth event was the victim of the fallout surrounding the pairs event. The Ice Dance result isn’t controversial because the French were the best team but they could have made minor mistakes and still won.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I see – thanks. I never knew exactly what happened because at the time I didn’t give a crap about pairs or ice dancing (I kind of still don’t)…

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        the French judges admitted she was pressured to vote a certain way.

      • gingercrush Says:

        The only placement being suspect in Ice Dance is the Italians winning bronze despite making mistakes.

        Gymnastics and judging controversies are really boring compared to figure skating. lol.

  44. Exgymgurl Says:

    I think gymmom is absolutely correct. These games have been more about influence than actual athleticism.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      With the exception of course of the timed sports. Ski racing and speed skating, bobsled, etc.

      It’s hard to cheat timed sports.

      I’m thinking maybe they should just make figure skating akin to the halfpipe. Set up areas where triple jumps need to be implemented throughout the rink. Eliminate corny music. Heck, you don’t even need a dress, maybe just a tunic thing. Skate to the designated areas and perform your triple jumps. The person who has the most triple jumps correctly performed (can add combinations for bonus points) in the least amount of time after two runs throughout the rink gets the gold.

      I mean that’s what figure skating is coming down to anyways.

  45. sanitynmotion Says:

    With the exception of course of the timed sports. Ski racing and speed skating, bobsled, etc.

    It’s hard to cheat timed sports.

    I’m thinking maybe they should just make figure skating akin to the halfpipe. Set up areas where triple jumps need to be implemented throughout the rink. Eliminate corny music. Heck, you don’t even need a dress, maybe just a tunic thing. Skate to the designated areas and perform your triple jumps. The person who has the most triple jumps correctly performed (can add combinations for bonus points) in the least amount of time after two runs throughout the rink gets the gold.

    I mean that’s what figure skating is coming down to anyways.

    • Exgymgurl Says:

      Those can be cheated by who goes where in the draw to a point and by heating and cooling on the tracks, and under the man made snow. Even whats in the man made snow.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        How would they be able to heat and cool the tracks that quick? I dunno. I just don’t see it in the timed sports. I can see it a “little” in the draw but for instance, in skiing if you’re ranked first after the first run you go last in the second run.

        I just don’t think it’s that easily done. It’s probably do-able but it would take much more effort.

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        It is very easy, all the thermocouples that control luge etc are computerized, one glitch or minute change, and its so warm that ice just melts. There are many additives used in snow making. There are also many additives used to make ice. The bobsled / luge tracks in Turin had huge problems. Someone died in 2010 in Vancouver. Russia is just covering up…

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        Microseconds to heat and cool an turn on and off thermostats…all computer sensor controlled

    • gingercrush Says:

      I agree that timed sports etc can merely be manipulated. Judged sports can be completely fixed. That is true,

      At the end of the day in most sports whether timed or judge the winners are actually deserved. But sport involves money and lots of it which is why one should always cast doubt over the results.

  46. sanitynmotion Says:

    GTT I think my comments are going to spam or something. I just left one. About how figure skating should be in the future.🙂

  47. tulip Says:

    Lousy judging and transparent corruption. Why the surprise? This has been happening forever and won’t stop until real consequences are introduced. Instead of say suspending Nelli Kim for cheating, how about expelling her and no chance of returning? Instead, she is now the second most powerful figure in women’s gymnastics. That sets a great example, doesn’t it. i think that IF (and I do mean if because it is very unlikely) an investigatino occurs, we shouldn’t be surprised at slaps on the wrist like the judge who got a one year suspension and is rewarded with judging a final.

    • tulip Says:

      I meant to say that this is very common in sports, particularly when the Russians are involved. that’s how I went from corruption to Nelli Kim in a conversation about ice skating.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Corruption always includes Russia. They need to be suspended.

  48. sanitynmotion Says:

    Here’s the Kween’s take:

    I think she’s being a bit diplomatic here but I can’t fault her. She IS a government rep after all…

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Michelle never defended the medal she was screwed over she won’t open her mouth for this.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Can you post the Kwan comments I didn’t find them

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        It was a video on that link. Basically she said that on paper (with the jumps) the Russian girl wins fair and square but she personally preferred the musicality and presentation of Yuna. She never even indicated one was robbed in fact she stated the results are justified under the new scoring system.
        Then she went on to say that if Gold wanted to medal she had to be perfect and she wasn’t. So that’s how Costner got the bronze, because Costner skated clean.
        That was basically the gist of it.

      • gymtruthteller Says:


        I am watching Mao Asada who I missed earlier and I am changing the channel. I can’t deal with NBC who won’t care because Yuna isn’t American or Canadian

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        You mean the Scott Hamilton/Sandra Beszeck duo? I unfortunately only have them as an option to watch. Part of me doesn’t even want to bother with it.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        nbcolympics had the British duo until today where I was stuck with Terror and weirdo. I really missed the British pair

    • david0688 Says:

      Why Olympians so reserved about this result? Come on Kwan and Hamilton, say something!

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        They are the last people who will ever say anything. Too politically correct. Like GTT said, Kwan didn’t even say anything about the medal she was robbed of and no American commentator is going to put themselves out there when the person that was robbed this time around wasn’t even American.

        All they are saying is that “on paper, Adelina deserves the win” which is bullshit considering she got higher technical marks over Mao Asada in the free skate even though Mao had an extra triple AND a triple axel, and all jumps were landed cleanly.

        It’s almost too bad Yuna didn’t have one added triple in her program, because this argument would then be moot. There were a couple of judges who were giving Adelina all 2’s and 3’s on her components and Yuna was getting 1’s and even 0’s from these same judges. It’s total bullshit when you look at the scoring sheets.

      • david0688 Says:

        Maybe figure skaters need to fight. Look at baseball, football, and basketball, all have arguing in them. They need to argue their scores. And former figure skaters should put themselves out there, i mean they’re not competing anymore. They don’t have any big contracts lined up or anything due to them being active.

        Katerina Wirr blew a gasket when she found out and Kurt Browning said “how could she improve in three weeks?” so I don’t know why people just hold back. Look at former players of different teams, they don’t hold back. They’re out there criticizing and being vocal. So I don’t get it.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Figure skaters are held to this whole “perfect princess” ideal…it’s stupid really. I think too they just don’t care after they leave the sport. Like why scream about something not related to them and risk the negative publicity? Think of how the public would perceive Michelle Kwan if she had gone up and stated she was robbed of the gold medal in Nagano and she was the true victor over Lipinski (even though that’s basically true). She would have been called out as a sore loser. It’s just bad PR.

        Ashley Wagner is the only figure skater I can think of in recent memory to even push back a little WHILE she was competing and she wasn’t even that “robbed.” I mean, coming in 7th vs. 5th in the Olympics is like who cares at that point. But I’m proud that she actually said something and stated a remark about the fan base, because it’s true – figure skating is losing its fan base between the Olympics, and a lot of it has to do with the confusing judging and proven bias in the sport. You notice most of the other competitors are hiding away from all this and prefer not to make a statement. It’s not a subject they want to touch because it can easily bite them in the asses later, and they’d just be called out as sore losers.

        I think Surya Bonaly used to be pretty vocal about the judges ways back when she was competing, and it hurt her but she was also in general a bad sport (ripped off her medal while on podium at one point I recall). One of my favorite moments in the Olympics was when she did a back flip in front of the judges (after they were ruled as an illegal trick) and it was like she gave them the middle finger. I thought it was awesome. I think that was one of her last appearances in competition.

      • david0688 Says:

        “You notice most of the other competitors are hiding away from all this and prefer not to make a statement.”

        Why hide away from all this when they’re retiring? Right? If Yuna’s retiring, which I don’t think she should do, then why hide from it? People will still like anyway. And the Italian’s retiring so why hide away? I’m not saying go out like Richard Sherman of the Seahawks or anything but argue your scoring. Argue that you were unfairly judged. Not saying anything is letting it die.

        Former skaters have a duty to make sure that this sport is kept up, they can’t just leave once they’re done. Maybe one way is to become a coach or a commissioner to keep fairness going.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        It’s better for them personally to not get involved. If they ever want to be coaches or somehow be a role model for their sport, they have to take the high road. It’s just not seen in a positive light to get caught up in these types of arguments after the fact. Look at so many others in these types of sports that try and make a statement; all they get is backlash and people point at them and call them sore losers. It just doesn’t work out in a positive way. If anything, the coaches and representatives of the figure skating community should take note and respond/react to this – it shouldn’t be the athlete’s burden – but at the end of the day nobody wants to get blackballed, and they will if they are cast in a negative light. Ashley Wagner is already trying to retreat her statements because she’s getting attacked.

        The retired athletes are likely going to still want to earn money from this sport afterwards; either from commentating or something of that nature. They want to be invited back to these events and in the long run, stirring up more controversy will not be worth it. Yuna Kim is so admired in her homeland she’s smart to keep quiet. It makes her look like more the victim and her fans are already strongly supporting her.

        What’s funny is that in the next winter Olympics, I can’t help but hope South Korea pulls a “Russia” and lowballs the Russian skaters’ scores so that nobody makes the podium, or if they do it won’t be gold. That would be nice karma.

      • david0688 Says:

        “Yuna Kim is so admired in her homeland she’s smart to keep quiet.”

        Complaining wouldn’t hurt her cause. A lot of people in her country think she got robbed(I think) so I don’t think that she would lose any support from them.

        I guess it comes to team competitive sports versus solo competitive sports. If you’re on a team and you argue something with an official no one’s going to call you a poor sport but if argue as a solo player then you’re seen as a poor sport according to some.

        Maybe another thing to consider might be national sports versus international sports. There’s no confrontation in international sports, save what happened to the Korean fencing chick in 2012, but there’s a lot in national sports.

  49. Lithi Says:

    Sorry to go OT, but on Sunday NBC will have interviews with Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan over that lovely ordeal 20 years ago. Funny how in the ESPN 30 for 30 show Kerrigan didn’t want to be involved but she’ll open her mouth for NBC? Must have been offered a buttload of cash.

  50. GymMom Says:

  51. GymMom Says:

    GTT will those 4 links get posted? My comment is awaiting moderation.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      I just approved it.Wordpress doesn’t approve more than 2 comments

      • GymMom Says:

        Almost 1 MILLION signatures on a petition around the Sochi figure skating scandal. Biggest traffic EVER on @Change. This scandal has legs. Even Reuters is reporting on it. The IOC had Ashley Wagner on NBC this morning “clarifying” her comments aka “backtracking.”

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        She’s getting a lot of slack for her comments but I find it refreshing a figure skater will stand up for herself. Most of them just accept and smile and not a-la-ice-princess style. I was personally giving kudos to Ashley for it, because obviously that’s the way she felt, but I guess she is feeling pressured to back-track because a lot of people are saying she’s being ungrateful and a bad sport and she should be happy to have been there in the first place (of course, bringing up how Mirai got robbed).

        Yulia scoring above Ashley for falling twice does not make sense. Period. Yes Ashley two-footed a jump and wasn’t perfectly clean but she should have placed higher than Yulia.

        Mao Asada had one more triple than Adelina INCLUDING a clean triple axel yet scored lower than Adelina for technical marks. I’d like all those people who are saying Adelina deserved gold for her extra jump respond to that one.

        And respond to the thought that if Adelina had not stepped out of her second jump (her first jump looked under-rotated too, so she shouldn’t have received credit for a triple), her score would have been higher than Yuna’s score for her long program in Vancouver, which was technically and artistically flawless.

        It’s so obvious this was a home fix, and the only reason why the American reporters aren’t saying as such is because the person who was screwed for it wasn’t an American.

    • david0688 Says:

      This whole competition was kind of disappointing. I was expecting a slug fest and all I got was an upset. I kinda wanted to see Mao in the mix but she fell in her short program and somehow Ashley didn’t get scored higher. Also, Kim losing to the Russian which is like” how did that happen?”

      Overall, I wanted to see a slugfest.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Hah, “kind of” disappointing? It was a travesty. Nobody in their right minds should be allowing their children to give up their lives for the sake of this sport when it’s so politically influenced. Why bother.

        It should have been a neck and neck battle between Yuna and Costner for gold/silver; instead it was all about the surprise Russian, winning gold using a junior program and adolescent choreography. Even Kurt Browning went on record wondering out loud how a figure skater can become so much better overnight.

      • david0688 Says:

        Do you know where to find what he said? I want to know what Katerina Witt said too. Lol.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        It’s mentioned in some of the articles Gym Mom linked to. Basically Witt completely disagreed with the scoring and Browning said “so overnight she became that much better of a skater?” …something to that nature. Basically shocked that her score was so much higher than what she had been scoring at competitions just a few weeks earlier.

  52. lovelucas Says:

    GymMom- that’s a rockin’ post! Thanks for that – I hope that keeps the fire burning even though nothing can change the results.

  53. lol Says:

    I never liked Christine Brennan until today. Bravo to her for caring because NBC doesn’t give a shit because a Skater from North America didn’t get screwed. NBC is bringing Johnny, tara, Scott and. Sandra on tonight to say there was no fix. I am never watching NBC again.

    • Exgymgurl Says:

      NBC is desperate and stupid. No one is watching. Nastia is a flop. Kiev is burning and there a revolution in Venezuela and yet the world is watching a tiny fire in Sochi.

  54. mim Says:

    did the footage show the russian judge (the one who is married to the head of the russian skating fed) actually hug adelina after she “won”? because, like, REALLY?!

    i was going to watch now but maybe I shouldn’t if the cheating is so blatantly obvious and the result a bad one.

  55. GymMom Says:

    One of the top stories on CNN this morning .

  56. Julianne Thomas Says:

    One of the issues is the deduction for falls. In gymnastics, if you fall, you get 1 point deduction. That is one point out of, say, a total of 15 (often less), so it has a pretty big impact on standings.

    In skating, the deduction for falling needs to be WAY more than 1 point under their current method of scoring. Like 10 points per fall. That way if someone falls it could actually impact the outcome.

    Get rid of the GOE crap. I’m not a huge fan of the open gymnastics scoring, however, compared to the figure skating mess, it’s AWESOME. Make figure skating more like gymnastics. Each element gets a technical score, give bonuses for combos, have the required elements, and then one score (out of 10 (or 6, if you want to be more “true” to skating)) that is added to the technical elements.

  57. david0688 Says:

    Why can’t figure skating be judged by actual artists? If skating is art then it’s good to be technically sound but it’s the about the artistry and expressiveness that should count more. Skating is tied way too much on the technical aspects.

  58. Exgymgurl Says:

    Well… Nastia was sent home…. At least thats a good thing. Except shes back yucking up NYC

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