While I was sleeping needs a new name. Any Suggestions?


Elizabeth Price will compete at the two meets she won last year. Glad she is getting something. Pretty much sucks that she got hurt at the wrong moment.

Katelyn Ohashi doesn’t want you to speculate on her life as a gymnast. “Queen Katelyn” seems to think the gymternet should mind their business even though she makes it their business by putting herself out there on the internet for attention every single day. Sorry Katelyn taking a page from Nastia’s book thinking she is more important than she is.

A hypothetical question for you all. Lets say a gymnast is coached by the same man since they were ten years old would you feel something is wrong if they entered into a adult relationship when the gymnast becomes legal? Would it matter to you if the gymnast was a female or a male ?

I have recently learned that this happened in real life to a gymnast (not artistic) you may or may not know and without mentioning names it kind of rubbed me the wrong way. What do you think?


76 Responses to “While I was sleeping needs a new name. Any Suggestions?”

  1. byrdisthewyrd Says:

    That rubs me the wrong way too. Actually it seems gross to me regardless of whether the gymnast was male or female. When you are in a close relationship, much less an authoritative relationship, with a child and watch them grow I don’t see how you could possibly look at them in that way. I mean obviously these feelings didn’t just hit when the kid became an adult at 18. That’s just very Woody Allen to me and creeps me out. I can see it from the kid’s standpoint because they could have easily developed a crush but it seems unacceptable from the adult’s standpoint.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Glad you feel the same way.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      Exactly – from the older person’s standpoint it’s just creepy. Funny thing I was thinking of Celine Dion and just saw that post below.

      It doesn’t just happen overseas though. My Dad’s former (now ex) wife cheated on him with a married doctor who was 15 years her senior and knew her since she was a child at around 11 or so (the Doctor worked with her dad). She cheated with him when she was in her late 20s, so the doc by then would have been in his early 40s. I mean, they are still together (and broke, karma’s a b*tch) but I always got the heebie jeebies on that one. This doc had a wife and three kids at the time too.

    • Short1 Says:

      I agree. Relationships with large age differences kinda creep me out/rub me the wrong way anyway in general, but…it just seems icky (for lack of a better word) on so many different levels. To me, it just seems like making the move from an authoritative, coach/athlete relationship to a romantic relationship wouldn’t make for a good outcome from the standpoint of a healthy relationship for both parties involved. Not sure if that makes any sense, but it’s the best I could do considering it’s late where I am.

      • CMR Says:

        This is a fantastic point. Forget how the relationship came about, how the heck do you have a healthy relationship with someone you have seen as an authority figure for 15+ years?

    • Gymbee Says:

      Eww no that is weird. Unless they met like 20 years after and then formed a connection, MAYBE. but not the day the girl turns legal. That must means he or she had feelings when the kid was underage, feelings like that dont just appear on the kids 18th birthday.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I don’t know how far after the person turned 18 the relationship started but he is still their coach and now husband

  2. Exgymgurl Says:

    Bross and Rugierri?

    Izbasa and B+Bs son?

    Doesnt bother me and here is why. Celine Dion and her husband were exactly the same way. it is very common overseas for an older man to pick out a girl at like 10-12 for marriage when she is old enough. I don’t bring my cultural values on to others.

    • CMR Says:

      Just wanted to dig up a comment that made me laugh way back then:

      Re: Bross/Ruggeri

      “I wouldn’t call it adorable. It’s kind of creepy and I really hope Becca has a gaydar because Ruggeri is as gay as they get.” – GTT, 11/25/12

      • sj0126 (@sj0126) Says:

        i’m not really sure why people thought bross and ruggieri were dating? her friends would tease her (gymnasts from WOGA and the tour) when she posted pics on instagram but she posts just as much with steve gluckstein, the trampolinist

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Sounds like me:) I love Ruggeri I think he is adorable and I really wanted him on the world team this year and I think it sucks they overscored whats his name so they could name him to the team knowing Leyva was going to back out.

    • Tortuga Says:

      Yeah, I was sure he was gay too! I’m so confused. But she’s been in the gym all her life so she’s probably just happy to have a relationship and is oblivious to much else. And I guess he is in denial or holding back from coming out.

  3. Lis Says:

    I was just listening to the most last week’s Gymcastic episode about abuse (mostly sexual) in gymnastics. (As an adult,I just spent twelve hours in a car with my adult brother and my divorced parents). So now I’m hyperaware. What bothers me about this type of relationship is that it started out as a power relationship. A kid will do almost anything for a coach in a sport like gymnastics. I even wonder if the coach waited until the athlete was legal before starting a relationship. It’s like a teacher marrying a student.

    • Lis Says:

      Please excuse the terrible sentence and paragraph structure. I’m exhausted (see the whole riding in a car with my dysfunctional family bit).

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I cannot deal with one of my sisters during a 3 hour Christmas visit so I feel you on the 12 hours in a car and then add divorced parents? Yikes.lol

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Let’s air out the dirty laundry. 🙂 I got lots of crazies in my family, who wants to start? lol.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        My family invented the word crazy.lol

      • Lis Says:

        I’m actually lucky in that my parents still like each other and get along (they didn’t get divorced until I was 20). And we were going up to my grandmother’s (dad’s side) funeral. But it actually went really well (all considering). It was only on the way home that I was REALLY GLAD that I had those podcasts on hand.

        As to crazy – my brother is a recovering heroin addict (18 months sober and is in charge of his home NA meeting), my bro, my dad and I all have bipolar disorder to some extent and we all have ADHD.

        Oh, wait, Overshare?

        (I’m healthy and medicated and actually have a job interview tomorrow!)

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Over share maybe just a weeeee tiny bit but if you feel comfortable all is fine. Good luck with the job. I am glad your brother is recovering.

        I know a few functioning alcoholics but that is as close as I get to anyone with a “problem” though we have friends “of the family” that are completely fucked in the head. I am just glad we are not blood related and “friends of the family” does not mean friends of me. When my brother got married I tried to talk him in to not inviting them but he’s a kiss ass.lol

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        My sister is bipolar, but they keep messing up her meds – it’s been years and they can’t figure it out.

        Good luck on your job interview!

      • Lis Says:

        I’m totally comfortable with it. It’s all about blowing away the stigma. I’m a good person who happens to have a mental illness. I still managed to graduate Duke University cum laude and then I decided to change careers and finished a year course at Georgetown for my paralegal certificate. And now I’m the preferred candidate for a job!

        I’ve learned a lot about addiction over the past twenty years. And what I’ve learned is that addiction is evil and cruel but that recovery is possible. My brother had to go to jail and be sent to a year long rehab to be where he is, but he is now an amazing member of society, with a good full-time job.

        Educating people helps reduce the stigma which helps people get help which makes it all good:)

        P.S. Sorry this got so off-track. lol.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        People hate Duke for some reason. I have not figured it out but I am glad you are all good.

        This blog is complete off topic.lol

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Haha, doesn’t that always pretty much happen on your blogs?

        My roommate in college was bipolar too and she’s actually weaned herself off the meds (she was on them for years and years). I’m proud of her. She’s a productive member of society as well.

        Unfortunately, not so much for my sister.

  4. CMR Says:

    It reminds me of what happened with Celine Dion. She ended up marrying her manager, Rene, whom she had known since she was 12. They are 26 years apart.

    I don’t think it’s natural to coach someone so closely and see them as a student and a child then, all of a sudden, be attracted to them as an adult. I don’t think a normal relationship would make that shift. If you can make that shift and see your gymnast as a “woman” now that she’s 18+, it seems like maybe you had a relationship/sexual view of her long before it was appropriate.

    • Case Says:

      CMR hit it on the head. I highly doubt the attraction started on the part of the coach at the exact moment the gymnast turned 18. It’s gross to me too.

  5. sainabou nyang Says:

    Say what???? Was the coach waiting for the gymnast to come of age?

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      There is NO mention of anything inappropriate happening before the gymnast was of age but the original discussion I read from third parties wondered if the question had ever been brought up.

      I am not naming names here but I am sure someone else reading here can figure out who the gymnast is especially since the name has been in the news lately due to other reasons indirectly related to the sport and the two people are now married but I am not using the name.

      I thing someone below made a great point about how even if nothing happened before the gymnast turned 18 it still doesn’t make it right because there was at one time influence of the coach over the then child and that just seems wrong.

      • Gymbee Says:

        What were the reasons indirectly related? 🙂 (respecting your decision to not say the name)

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        He recently had an accident but I can’t believe people don’t know about this.

      • Tortuga Says:

        However legal it is after the gymnast turns 18 it still feels awkward to me. He was an authority figure in her life for so long. Coaches often form a second parent type relationship with their athletes. Can you imagine getting into a sexual relationship with your adopted parents? I’m taking adopted parents route to avoid incest, which is a completely different subject. Or a teacher who was also a close mentor? I believe there would always be an off set of power only going to the coach. It would be hard to overcome everything you have every thought about their dominance and treat them as a partner, to make decisions as a team. I could see a gymnast falling easy into abuse and just dealing with it even as an adult because they were raised to deal with it as a child.

      • Gymbee Says:


        Anyway, to your question about if it matters if the gymnast is male or female. I don’t think so. I think male athletes are just as easily controlled by coaches as female ones, and it’s not an “even” relationship to begin with. I don’t know how an un-even power balance can become even just like that.

      • gymnerd Says:

        GTT, is there any reason you’re not mentioning names? I put two and two together last night, and a simple Google search turned it up tonight….

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Just to be safe. The rumors I heard were all rumors and I didn’t have tine to check the easy facts of this situation so I am just going the safe route.

  6. CMR Says:

    Part of me also thinks about the fact that many of these girls are extremely under-socialized for their age. They didn’t attend normal schools, didn’t have normal social lives, most likely don’t have much, if any, relationship experience. So, while they may be 18+, the reality is that they are extremely inexperienced and a little “stunted” when it comes to socializing. They may just be clinging to one of the close male influences in their life or just building on what would normally just pass away as a “crush.”

    I’m not sure if I am articulating my point correctly. I’m just saying they may be in an 18+ body but we know many of these girls are emotionally much, much younger.

  7. DL Says:

    My first thought was also Celine Dion and ew.

  8. Exgymgurl Says:

    Any idea if this girl is even still at Texas dreams three years later?


  9. Exgymgurl Says:

    Never mind its grace Quinn

  10. Flippateer Says:

    Happened at least once that I know of in swimming, too – US Olympian Haley Cope married her coach when she was 23. IIRC, he had coached her since she was a pre-teen. I remember feeling uncomfortable when I learned about it for the reasons given in this thread.


  11. Catherine Says:

    The Mexican Open starts on the 29th. Chuso, Jade Barbosa, Ksenia Afanasyeva, Zeng Siqi, unnamed American, Roxana Popa, Elisa Meneghini and juniors including Bailie Key, Amelia Hundley, Laurie Hernandez and Nia Dennis are all listed to go. Great lineup! I think since Price has a busy December planned (and too close to go to this and Stuttgart anyway) and Dowell has had her coach reject everything, that it will be Ernst who gets the American senior spot?

  12. terrigymfan Says:

    I have mixed feelings on this. A lot of it depends on how soon after the coach/gymnast relationship has ended that they announce they are a couple. If there are at least a few years between it is not so bad. If a girl in her twenties for some reason runs into or starts working with a guy that had been her coach when she was training as a gymnast, and they start up a romantic relationship, then I don’t think its so bad. Even then, it has a creepy aspect to it. Let’s say that a 20 year old guy is the coach of a 13 year old gymnast, he coaches her for three years or so, and then she gets another coach. They then meet later when he is 27 and she is 20 and strike up a relationship. If he is attracted enough to her at that time to want to have a romantic/sexual relationship, then you figure he probably had at least some sexual thoughts about her when he was working with her as a coach. It’s even creepier in the case of elite gymnasts because so many of them are prepubescent evev into their mid-teens. Still, though, as long as he didn’t act on his thoughts while he was a coach and she was underaged, I don’t have any issue with them getting together later when they are adults. If two adults ove each other they love each other.

    What’s a bigger problem is when some adult guy is coaching a gymnast for years and then, when she turns 18, they announce they are lovers, get married, etc. You know when that happens they were having hanky panky while she was underaged.

  13. Akshay Says:

    This is a topic I am dying to hear GymMom’s opinion on lol.

  14. Akshay Says:

    So Nastia apparently posted some floor-esque routine on Instagram. Although it’s supposedly for the Skating Spectacular, maybe she’s planning another comeback, this time as a floor specialist ;).

    Good grief she won’t go away.

  15. Exgymgurl Says:

    Because she probably bought part of the tour

  16. Flippateer Says:

    So I’ve been enjoying getting to know a bit more about T&T. I didn’t know what it was until the McKayla-Kyla-Charlotte Drury storyline was publicized recently, but it’s a fun sport to watch on both the men’s and women’s sides, and I’m looking forward to getting to know it better.

    I wanted to post here on a superficial point, given that most of us dislike the non-patriotic WAG leos that Marta’s picked, especially the pink ones. I think the T&T leos are awesome – pretty, classy, and in American colors. Here are some examples. What say you guys?

    Charlotte Drury: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeGQ_eY3WCk
    Kristle Lowell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LidMYJH2O-E

  17. biyatch Says:

    Have y’all seen the leos that T&T wore at their worlds? They are the same patterns as the WAG leos but lots of red, white and blue and tons of navy. They look so much better NOT IN PINK. Very sleek looking.

    • biyatch Says:

      love the leo in this video

    • Flippateer Says:

      I posted the same thing immediately above you (with video of the same two gymnasts as you posted), but I forgot the rule about not posting more than one link per post, so my comment went into the moderation queue. Oops! Here’s what I’d said, and I also added this link to Kristle’s gold medal performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeGQ_eY3WCk

      So I’ve been enjoying getting to know a bit more about T&T. I didn’t know what it was until the McKayla-Kyla-Charlotte Drury storyline was publicized recently, but it’s a fun sport to watch on both the men’s and women’s sides, and I’m looking forward to getting to know it better.

      I wanted to post here on a superficial point, given that most of us dislike the non-patriotic WAG leos that Marta’s picked, especially the pink ones. I think the T&T leos are awesome – pretty, classy, and in American colors. Here are some examples. What say you guys?

    • biyatch Says:

      Post comparing WAG v T&T

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I am so sick of the hot pink, like seriously. I don’t understand why it’s in EVERY DAMN WORLD COMPETITION for the US women. Was it really Nastia who started this awful trend? It needs to just go away. I mean, it’s really simple. The US flag is red, white, and blue. NO hot pink.

    • Catherine Says:

      That is beautiful! Yeah maybe when Valeri takes over, pink can get a break? I mean I know his daughter seemed to kickstart that trend but I’d say he himself doesn’t have a pink obsession..

      • Akshay Says:

        I’d think Valeri would be more likely to ditch the pink, because he wouldn’t want anyone to be like his daughter.

  18. sanitynmotion Says:

    BTW has anyone thought of a new name for ‘While I was Sleeping?’

    Maybe it should be “what does the Fox say”

    Sorry – that damn song will NOT get out of my head today.

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