2013 US Classic Seniors ( Live blogging)

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Thoughts. Kyla got the only execution score over 9 on any event but vault for her 9.000 on bars.

Her interview after the win. I counted 15 ums, a Nastia mention and it looked like someone was coaching her or making her laugh behind the camera.

1- Kyla Ross- 58.650
2- Peyton Ernst-58.250
3- Brenna Dowell- 57.200
4- Abby Milliet- 56.800
5- Kennedy Baker- 56.450
6- Maggie Nichols- 55.750
7- Madison Koceian- 55.350
8- Ariana Guerra- 55.000
9- Erin Macadaeg- 54.050
10- Mckayla Skinner- 53.00
11- Grace McLaughlin- 52.750


Rotation 4

Lexis only did a DTY.

Maggie on bars- She’s off. She swings really fast but that is all I can see.

No Amanda, I can’t see she went OOB and why does Peszek laugh when she insults someone?

All these girls seem to swing the bars really well but it could be my feed.

I like a Zmeskal gymnast. There I said it. I actually like 2 (Peyton and Nica)

Brenna on vault: Amanar. Small step.

Someone on twitter c alled Kyla Gina Gogean.lol Not

Kyla’s turn on bars. Great job during blur city. I could at least see she hit her handstands.

Now if anyone is a Zmeskal gymnast it is Kennedy Baker.lol

Simone scratched vault. Good decision.

Kyla Ross

That will teach me to not think Kyla will do something. Bad GTT

Sam remembers the Chinese girls names. One point for her. I believe by my calculation that puts her ranking at a negative 3 million.7

Kyla is capable of all these scores at Worlds. I think her beam would score better outside the US. She needs to upgrade and not screw up floor but I feel better about tonight than a few months ago.

Gabby is training so hard she comes to Classics. I hate little gymnasts.

Knee’s looked down on the double pike.


Rotation 3

STFU Sam, She did not deserve the gold on vault.

Mckayla hit vault but was off to the right. Not as good as usual. Still got a 15.600 with a step out. A little high. Second vault couldn’t see. Mckayla was overscored a little but its Classic. Not unexpected.

I forgot how much wordpress hates live blogging. They just signed me out and I lost the comments.lol

Okay so Dee suggests that I now call shut up Shannon, Shut up Sam. GREAT idea.:) Lexie didn’t do beam.

Skinner got a 6.3 start value and a 13.050 on floor.

Hey Sam made a great point. If Mckayla skinner is too piked on her double times 2 layout she will lose credit for having the same skill twice. Lauren on twitter said Chellsie was catching her up on the code so that credit goes to Chellsie.

WOW, Lexie got a 14.8 on floor. I missed it. I was typing.

Kyla only needs a 14.050 to take over first. She usually gets a 15.2 on the DTY and I expect nothing less here. That was before Abby’s score. sorry she needs a 15.700. Not happening.lol but her last event is bars so all is good. 15.200. Yep exactly what she got. She always gets that.

Biles is next on floor.

Love the double layout with a half. Double double was nice too. Hands down on last pass. Oh well. Not her night. Its still a month early for all these girls.

1- Peyton Ernst 43.750
2- Kyla Ross 43.250
3- Abby Milliet 42.600
4- Maggie Nichols 42.500
5- Kennedy Baker 42.400
6- Erin Macadaeg 41.950
7- Madison Kocian 41.700
8- Brenna Dowell 41.650
9- Ariana Guerra 41.400
10- Simone Biles 41-300

Red Sox 1- Orioles🙂

Rotation 2

Biles put her hand on beam and had two huge bobbles.

It cuts out Kyla’s last pass for me and I missed her mistake at the end. 13.400 but with a 5.7 start value which is loads better than a 5.3 but I missed how short she was on the last pass so I have no clue if she was low balled. I’ll find out.

Mckayla hit floor but all I saw was a stuck double Arabian.

Kyla did fall on her last pass. How does that skinny little tall girl have endorsement issues?

14.350 with an OOB ).3) on floor

IG on Ross.

Ross FX – Arabian double front to stag; tucked full-in; whip, double tuck; short double pike (fall)

Marta wants Mckayla Maroney on the world team.

New drinking game. Every time Peszek talks about herself and uses the word drink a bottle of wine. Your already drunk and you don’t even know it.

All I see is blur. Leader board is funny but Kyla got the tough event and her worst event out of the way. Bars is last both she and Simone need to peak at Nationals. This meet should have been used for upgrades which it wasn’t for Kyla on anything but floor. I am afraid she will not go with that routine in August.

after round 2

1- Peyton – 29.050
2- Kocian – 28.900
3- Milliet- 28.600
4- Ariana Guerra- 28.150
5- Kennedy Baker – 28-100
Maggie Nichols
7- Kyla Ross- 28.050
8- Erin Macadaeg
9- Simone
10- Grace McLaughlin
11- Dowell


Rotation 1

Brenna screwed up bars but did not fall. Baker did vault but all I saw was blur.

Sam Peszek making more stupid comments. Everyones got to do it. Well duh Sam, Captain obvious. Maybe I should call this live blogging snarky GTT bitches about the stupidity of Sam ” I got the job cuz mom is Marta’s prison wife ” Peszek.

More Woga on vault. Smart USA-G:)

Off goes Biles. She looks tentative (Stole Amanda’s word:)

Kyla hit beam but she didn’t connect the sheep to the punch front like she did in training. It looked good through the blur. 5.7 start value is not enough for worlds. I thought these meets were for upgrades? (14.650) Looks like they are saving for a Biles fall. Typical

The feed goes out during Maggie’s beam routine.

Peszek’s voice goes right through me. Lexis on bars. She hit but I couldn’t see much. (14.350) Skinner tanked bars and it cost her more than a little bit. Peyton ‘s DTY looked nice, though the blur.

Abby on bars. Saw a few form break through the blur but she stayed on. OMG, Usa-gym is as stupid as other shows. Psy the lets kill Americans and their families and we hear this song? pathetic. I really think Marta owns USA-Gymnastics with all the anti US leotards for the Olympics and these songs.

1st- Peyton Ernst- 14.700
2nd- Kyla Ross- 14.650
3rd- Kennedy Baker- 14.550
4th- Madison Kocian- 14.450
5th-Abby Millett- 14.400
6th- Lexis Preissman- 14.350


According to IG, Mckayla is in black shimmery leotard. At least it isn’t pink. Apparently Mckayla is the only one competing because she is the only one they mentioned.
If anyone cares I am having the same thing I had for lunch for dinner. Tortilla Chips and water.

10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1-000000000000000000. Ha tricked ya. Starting soon

The feed is worse. Is there a reason we have to have the logo in front of our faces?

Simone Biles leotard is pretty. Mckayla’s is ugly black and Kyla has her warm up sui on. And I lost my coverage. Its back.

Simone’s leo is white with those swirl things but I like the swirl things. Mckayla has scratched beam and Desch bars. Chellsie is judging I just heard her name over this horrible music.

Warm up is over.

161 Responses to “2013 US Classic Seniors ( Live blogging)”

  1. Tortuga Says:

    Oh God this looks terrible on my screen😦

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      It looks worse then this afternoon and with more people watching seniors it will get even worse

    • Dee Says:

      All it’s doing for me is showing the secret classic logo and playing awful pop music. gahhhhhhhhh. I can hear them announcing, though. Why the F are they using youtube for this?

  2. Dee Says:

    Woah, Biles is off the bar. Maaaaaybe this is Kyla’s day now!

  3. Laura Says:

    Why isn’t Kyla upgrading? this is going to be the easiest year for her to do well…once these juniors come up, she’ll be pushed out without any upgrades

    • mimi Says:

      today it’s serving her well.. i doubt her coaches care about the d scores of juniors at this stage, i’m guessing they are focusing on worlds this year and then re-evaluating her routines.

    • mimi Says:

      to be fair though.. it is only because simone had a bad night. so hopefully she’ll have more difficulty for nationals!

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        There is no such thing as fair in gymnastics. You hit and you win. You tank and you scratch vault. Kyla fell too and we don’t need girls peaking in July but I will be really pissed if Kyla wins Nationals and I didn’t go.lol

      • mimi Says:

        haha, true true.

        i’d love to see kyla win nationals! why aren’t you going to watch?🙂

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I didn’t go because I waited to long to get good seats and now all the hotels near by are booked. I might be going down for one day (ladies second night) but I have not decided yet.

        I can’t watch Nastia on TV. I just can’t.Looking at her literally makes me sick.lol

        I’ll be watching I just don’t know how much

  4. Dee Says:

    ahhhh Kyla noooo
    I do really like this new routine, though.
    Alright, this fuzzy ass feed is giving me a headache. I’m just gonna find results later and then watch stuff on youtube.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      did she fall on her last pass or almost fall?

      • Dee Says:

        By what it looked like to me, she put her hands down. I don’t think she actually fell down.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        ig called it a fall

      • Laura Says:

        I agree, it was called a fall…but she didn’t crash, just put her hands down (at least as far as I could see through this feed)

      • Dee Says:

        Hands down and crashing are both counted as falls, I think. Same as grabbing the equipment…I think that is a fall too, right? It’s all one point off? (or did that rule change with the new code?)

        I’m glad she didn’t full out crash, but it still stinks that she put her hands down.

      • Laura Says:

        hopefully that’s just an endurance problem, she still has some time….but at least floor’s a big improvement, will help her all-around chances

      • Dee Says:

        oh, I agree, I thought her floor looked pretty great. I think there is a lot of potential there. Kudos to whoever got her actually dancing. I always wanted to see more from her dance-wise on floor.

      • mimi Says:

        much better than her phantom floor routine.

      • NG Says:

        Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgp0ydaLWrg

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        You get a virtual cookie. Thanks.

  5. Case Says:

    This feed is horrendous. Peyton looks like she’s wearing a swimsuit.

  6. Dee Says:

    The twitter comments are more entertaining than some of the gymnastics. People are actually begging for Tim & Elfi (however you spell that) to come back and commentate hahahahahaha

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      That is sad. Amanda is okay but Sam talks about herself too much.

    • Dee Says:

      ooook GTT, I think you need to change the title of the “Shut Up Shannon” feature to “STFU Sam”…..

    • Case Says:

      That’s because Sam makes Tim and Elfi look like walking gymnastics encyclopedias. She’s also trying a little too hard.

      • Dee Says:

        It’s just….the bitchy voice…is killing me.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        She talks though her nose. Its so annoying

      • mimi Says:

        talking through her nose about herself WAY WAY WAY too much.

      • Anonymous Says:

        Not only was sams voice annoying but several times Amanda had already said the score and then Sam said it. guess she wasn’t paying attention.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I didn’t watch the commentator version because the live feed was downright annoying. I stuck with the You Tube videos that USAG uploaded.

        Overall though I think I’d still take Sam over Nastia. I’d rather hear about Sam talking about herself rather than Nastia’s horrid voice, or her talking about her Olympic competition, or her dad being the WOGA coach, yada yada yada…

        And I’m willing to hear Sam over Daggett/Shlagel any day too. Those guys are nimrods.

        Of course if everything were fair and perfect they’d just have Shannon do the commentating, and it would be fun to have ASac in there as Devil’s advocate. But we’ll never get what we want, lol.

  7. biyatch Says:

    Saw this tweet:
    @USAGym Next year how about using skill over nepotism to pick your commentator. @shannonmiller96 or @ASac3 plz. #SecretClassic #WorseThanAl


  8. exgymgurl Says:

    Told you simone would have errors and brennas beam… Did I see a hand on the beam on that turn, and her form is yuck though not as yuck as skinner. So Peyton to vault and Kyla to bars. If Kyla is Kyla she wins, she needs to improve floor but still poor simone.

    • Case Says:

      Yup, I said it was Biles’ competition to lose and apparently she’s doing everything in her power to lose it. Rough night for her.

  9. biyatch Says:

    Simone is choking BIG time. I saw Dowell’s bar connection last night and was like okay maybe, but still gross. Lexie would probably be winning if she did beam. In the meme of McKayla Maroney… not impressed. It doesn’t matter if you can chuck big skills if you can’t hit your routine. (Oh and I thought Mac was over scored on floor… shoot me)

    • mimi Says:

      is lexie on marta’s blacklist for whatever reason? why no beam?

      • Dee Says:

        I have no idea, but I feel like I waited all these years for this girl to be a senior and for some reason I feel like it might not be as great as I expected. Does marta have beef with MLT?

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I don’t think she likes them at all. Look what she did to Whitcomb who medaled at every camp on bars and floor and never got named to a world team

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Knowing that I would not want my kid at their gym.

        Although I have to say Lexie looked a lot better here than earlier this year.

        Still not sure about Brenna. She’ll get killed internationally I feel like and she doesn’t stick out enough on any one apparatus in order to be a specialist.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        After watching her tonight I am more convinced then ever she is being used to motivate at camp

      • Dee Says:

        hah truth…wonder what the issue is. oh to be a fly on the wall at that camp.

      • mimi Says:

        the triple twist girls said they spoke to her after the comp, apparently she told them she hurt her foot but who knows.

  10. exgymgurl Says:

    Sorry Peyton on floor…. Dont see a score that isnt half a point or more lower than Kylas bars. No way she’ll top Lexie. her difficulty isnt there

  11. exgymgurl Says:

    She missed it though and did an extra swing. Wonder why Lexie didnt do beam other than Martas orders. Simone has two years to improve. A repeat of this at pg signs her a ticket to Bama…

  12. mimi Says:

    i nearly died when sam said “mooooooooooostafina” – my goodness, she’s terrible. dare i say… NASTIA is better than her at commentating.

    crosses self.

    who would have thought the top 3 so far? colour me surprised! loving abigail milliet, her gymnastics is gorgeous. what the hell is going on with simone, she’s off her game. maybe just nervousness?

    maybe kyla’s coaches are right keeping her routines slightly less difficulty with clean execution… all the girls chucking the exciting big skills have crap e scores but i guess maybe it doesn’t matter so much at a classic.

    mckayla did well, thank gosh. i love her floor. no more scary third pass.

    • Akshay Says:

      No, I completely agree. Sam was terrible. If they’re going to keep picking people from the 2008 team to commentate, then pick Alicia (and pair her with Shannon Miller).

      Things that bugged me about Sam’s commentating:
      – Mooooostafina.
      – “Sticking is what everyone’s trying to do with this new code,” and no one did that last code? or the code before? really?
      – Jesolo = “The team that went to Italy”
      – Basically everything lol

      I didn’t catch this, but I read on Tumblr that there was some guy who people heard, who was telling Sam what to say, and she was repeating that. Needless to say, she was awful.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I read the same thing about Sam being told what to do. Someone on twitter I think asked if anyone else heard the man telling Sam what to say.

        USA-G will never hire Miller. They are too dumb to do that. Marta would flip and quit and run to Romania:) Wishful thinking

      • mimi Says:

        so she wasn’t overly prepped on the whole thing then!

        when she said, “wow this beam routine has some skills!” (obviously she meant big or interesting skills) but it was like, yeah no sh!t it has skills otherwise it wouldn’t be a routine at all! bang head on brick wall.

        i hate how she mispronounced ‘cheng’ too. if you’re going to say you competed against her in the olympics, at least say her name properly.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        That is like usa-gym not checking out the feed BEFORE THE MEET. Brain dead

      • biyatch Says:

        We all need to shame USAG for their blatant nepotism. A week after announcing her mom as new VP of women’s gymnastics, Sam who was just terrible, gets the gig…? BS.

        Amanda and Sam were either talking about themselves or being so sugary sweet, just couldnt deal. Shannon and Alicia together would be fantastic. Shannon can be diplomatic and Alicia can be blunt and unable to hide how she really feels.

  13. mimi Says:

    simone just scratched vault😦😦😦

  14. Case Says:

    Why did Simone scratch vault??

  15. Case Says:

    Aly ditched Classics for a night with Kellie Pickler at a Beyonce concert. Solid decision.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Beyonce? Well maybe not a solid decision but it is nice she is more than one of these gymnasts that need attention for gymnastics unlike Gabby and Jordyn.

  16. exgymgurl Says:

    What is that you said about how I have an uncanny way of being right? I was right. Simone made mistakes, Kyla won. Brenna got hammered. Peyton impressed me the most unexpectedly. just like Norah Flatley did. I don’t think Lexie is 14.7 + on beam and I don’t think she would have won with beam, but shed have been second or third. Talk about a complete meltdown for Simone.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Yes I remember but I also get credit for picking 2 of 3 winners in both juniors and seniors:) oh and liking Peyton Ernst.

    • exgymgurl Says:

      I didnt pick Jrs. I don’t know enough about Jrs and there are too many of them to keep straight. They all seem the same to me, besides Norah looked like her routines had a lot of room for upgrades, and Amelia looks like shes already at Bama…. I dont like Polina laurie looks good. What scares me on this competition is who do we have on bars besides Kyla? There is still this hole, where people should be working on more difficult routines. Jordyn, and Gabby both have room to get back in there with bar routines that meet the new COP.

      • mimi Says:

        bailey’s bars are decent but irrelevant until a couple of years time i suppose. abigail looked like her bars had potential but my feed was fuzzy!

  17. biyatch Says:

    Good thing the video quality was so shitty. Valentina Rodionenko might be trying to throw her own triple twisting yurchenko with glee based off how shitty our seniors looked.

  18. sainabou nyang Says:

    The problem with skinner is that she has terrible execution. Its like her coach said screw the basics and lets chuxj hard skills so you can get back on the national team.

    I like simone but if she chokes at nationals I would be scared to put her on a world team.

    • biyatch Says:

      Skinner is truly “chucking” her difficult skills I feel like too. Obviously Aly didn’t have the best execution but she had a handle on all of her skills to build her huge D scores in a way that Skinner doesnt seem to possess. With the exception of some of Aly’s amanars you never were scared about what she was throwing or worried she was going to land on her ass. It wasnt the prettiest but the holy shit moments werent there like they seem to be with Skinner. I dont know if that makes sense…

    • mimi Says:

      won’t fair well internationally or with marta i’m guessing.

      her floor could be so great though. will be interesting to see how much she can clean up by championships.

  19. sanitynmotion Says:

    I was happy to see Kyla’s floor – but am afraid her coaches will water it down now that she didn’t hit it. I think it was an endurance issue though from the way it looked…

    I hope they keep it. That’s the only way she can stay relevant for Worlds.

    Not sure what to say about Biles…she’s looking a bit head-casey now. Marta does not like headcases.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Tanking here means she will probably hit at Nationals.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Biles or Ross?

        I’m hoping/pulling for Ross of course. She needs more upgrades still though on bars and beam. Hopefully her coaches were just playing it safe here.

        Ross gets an amanar back and she’d be lethal.

      • exgymgurl Says:

        She has the highest US bar score. She had the second highest beam score. What upgrades does she need this is a different code with different demands. Let everyone see how this year shakes out then work on a new code whoring leap combo. THe way her coaches were picking though vaulting fundamentals it wouldnt surprise me to see them try to get her a consistent amanar. Although without Biles competing she had the highest DTY score, and Skinners Amanar only only beat her by a slim margin. Skinner needs to go back down to L10 or off to Utah.

    • biyatch Says:

      I’m just saying if a 23 y/o Alicia in 2011 managed a 5.9 D-score with an achilles tendon that was holding on by a thread, Kyla should be able to do a little better than 5.7. They need to experiment with spins/dance elements to get the d-score up because 5.7 isn’t going to hack it.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I thin k she is going to try a double turn when she does the single one with the leg up. I agree. Try some dance.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I agree. Hoping it’s baby steps since 5.7 at least is still loads better than a 5.3…

  20. sanitynmotion Says:

    P.S. I hope they get rid of this live feed sh*t next year and just find a cable station to broadcast on. What a waste.

    • NG Says:

      I have to say though I like how quickly they uploaded the videos of the routines instead of the normal delay. Here’s Kyla’s bars. They almost look even cleaner than last year:

      • mimi Says:

        she really does make it look effortless🙂

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Wow, amazing execution.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Kyla did this last year too. She is capable of keeping the legs together on the DTY and bars but she doesn’t always do it. Her legs only had a slight separation on her vault and her bars she had legs glued together too , this time. It has to be lack of concentration. Someone needs to tell her coach to remind her before she goes up at worlds.

      • Dee Says:

        wooooooow. so clean!

  21. exgymgurl Says:

    I have to say that what Texas Dreams did today was incredible. They have great beam coaching. None of them looked nervous. None of them mentally fell apart. Placing three athletes in the top 8 at any senior meet is incredible. Especially one where it looks like Marta told everyone to do everything and compete hard. Classics used to be considered a tune up meet, with none of the favorites for championships competing more than 1-2 events. Marta made this meet actually count.

  22. exgymgurl Says:

    Someone pointed out on Twitter that Simones leo is the same one Bross blew out her knee in ….. BURN IT…

  23. Rachplum Says:

    I was at the meet today for both sessions, and it sounds like my opinions are pretty much on track with others. Here are my big thoughts:
    -juniors meet was SO much better to watch because so many f them needed to try to qualify. I was much more impressed with the juniors field.
    -I like bailey keys gymnastics, but that girl is painfully expressionless!!
    -definitely watch out for Nia Dennis, that girl has some talent
    -Laurie can dance better than any of the seniors. Her floor routine was amazing and captured the audience
    – Nrah Flatley is my new favorite. Gorgeous beam!

    – Where are all the Amanars? I was bored watching vault.
    – Kyla has always been my fave of the Fierce Five, but with the exception of bars, she didn’t wow me. I see it being tough for her to medal at worlds.
    – Skinner looks like a train wreck
    – Simone just fell apart. Not good under pressure today.
    -Lexie (and Amelia) are strong and I like them, but other than floor they didn’t stand out.
    -LOTS of OOB on floor.

    Texas Dreams is shining, and I was not impressed with WOGA toda. One last thing…Steve Penny was in the suite next to me and he (very loudly) only cheered for McKayla, Kyla, and Lexie.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Interesting Steve penny info. Thank you. No cheers for Biles?

    • Rachplum Says:

      I was really pulling for her on floor because I do like her. It’s interesting that she only takes a step hurdle entry into her last two tumbling passes bc she is so small, and then she just didn’t have enough gas to pull around the full.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Its still early. She might be waiting to peak until later in the year. If she does well at Nationals this meet won’t matter at all.

    • Dee Says:

      wow, that’s interesting.

      I heard on twitter that Skinner might not have gotten the score to qualify to nationals. Is that true? What was needed to move onto nationals? Did they announce who is moving on at the meet or is that some secret camp crap?

  24. Tortuga Says:

    Okay my thoughts…. I got sick of the live feed and since they’re uploading the routines immediately I watched the playlist from youtube on my blu-ray. SOOOO Much better. Anyway…

    Really impressed with Peyton. She has a really lovely poise to her and I’m hoping she goes far.

    I think Kyla is just playing it safe since this meet really doesn’t hold any value, just getting your feet wet for the season. She’s doing great.

    McKayla looks to be doing awesome. Loved the new routine and the double layout. No more scary third pass!

    Biles wtf? American Cup had had so much more pressure and you did so well. Hope you’re just having a bad day. Not that American Cup scores carry over to anything but It means something to Marta to put you in it.

    Skinner seems to be really shakey and just chucking everything. She looks like she is going to break her neck, a train wreck if you will. If she could pull it together she would be a force to be reckoned with but that seems like a long shot.

    Pretty much all the WOGA girls had major mistakes on all events. Especially beam. But I liked those leos the best I think. I’m not sure who they are coached by. I didn’t see Liukin or Marchenko in any of the shots.

    Texas Dreams all pretty solid. Way to go!

    The asain San Mateo girl (I don’t remember her name) I really enjoyed her form.

    Overall Classic was a splatfest, but I’m glad Kyla and McKayla are living up to their name and not being forgotten with the new seniors.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Maybe this will be like 96 and all the old girls will return with 2 kids.

      Kyla should have used this meet as her practice meet. Now she will have to do the upgrades at Nationals. Unless she is waiting for camp.

      I am just SO glad she had a 5.7 start value. She needs more but that is a start.

    • Dee Says:

      I feel like this last quad spelled the end of WOGA for a while. I think this new quad might finally be Texas Dreams’ time.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Texas Dream reminds me of Dynamo circae 93. Own the junior ranks and fizzzzzle away.

  25. sanitynmotion Says:

    Still irked that Memmel is sitting there judging acting like nothing happened when it was THIS EVENT ONE YEAR AGO her petition to nationals was denied.

    Ugh. Sell out.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Signing autographs too.

    • Dee Says:

      My theory: 1. She decided to do some “be the bigger person” and “let the past go” crap, or 2. She has absolutely NO idea what to do with her life now that competing is over and decided to suck it up and go with this despite what happened, or 3. She decided to suck it up and smile so that her dad’s gym is not put on the Big Bad Marta Black List of Shame That Ruins Your Gym’s Future Forever.

      Either way, I’m officially so siiiiiick of her I could barf. So glad everyone got their panties in a twist to help stand up for her last year.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        She can’t let it rule her life forever I guess but its still annoying. Let me run your life Chellsie. I will do a much better job.lol

      • exgymgurl Says:

        Dee all those things are true. And the stipend for these meets is HUGE. I cant blame her because she probably made enough $$ today to pay for her wedding. But its sickening to get treated like that and just go in like “these are not the droids you are looking for” and just pretend it didnt happen. It did happen Chellsie.
        Dear Chellsie
        Marta told you and Andy not to do floor or bars or anything else. You complied. Had you done AA you probably would have auto qualified to Visas. Marta didnt want you on the team and you let her punish you. Now you are her puppet inflating the people she cares about and pounding Brenna Dowell into the mat. Maybe you have been brainwased. Please watch the video of podium training your floor routine at Classics where Marta is disgusted by how good you are. Please look at the articles and the petitions. It happened. Now you are part of Martas machine and making it happen to other people. I used to admire you and call you Chellsie Fing Memmel. I used to think you were an awesome competitor. Now I not only think you are a sell out ( doing the tour to make $$) but going to the ranch to judge the kiddies, and crush peoples dreams because Marta Karolyi doesnt like them. Make no mistake Chellsie. You sit in that chair to carry out Martas wishes. Nothing more nothing less. Its like when a prisoner in North Korea becomes a prison guard and starts torturing the inmates that were his peers.

        This may seem hyperbolic, and maybe its a satyrical exaggeration, like my fondness for Shayla Worleys leprosy, Hollie Vise making a comeback, and Maroney doing a Prudonova I can dream that you will see this and think about how this will slowly eat away at your soul and change you from Chellsie Fing Memmel into Darth Vader or even the emperor…

        Yours Truly


      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Its too bad she won’t ever see that.

    • exgymgurl Says:

      I think 3 athletes from 2012 is not out of the question at this point. Kyla admitted her beam was watered down in the interview, and she needs to do better on floor. She’ll get there. Jordyn in the live feed doesnt seem too confident about really being back in it, though she did tweet a pic of herself and bieber a few days ago, and she mentioned UCLA in the interview today. Stars drive sponsorships and the fierce 5 are the stars. Kyla was surprised how popular shes become. But having McKayla there will get him a TV contract for next year. I think Marta has picked her four man team if Simone can pull it together for championships, and I think its Ross, Maroney, Priessan, and (Biles / Ernst if Biles keeps flopping). I dont think Dowell gets in there . Peyton Ernst reminds me of Aly Raisman or a Sam Peszeck. Not outstanding but consistently really quite good. Its interesting that Marta and Steve Penny now too have gotten so blatant that there are stars and not stars on the national team. I mean if you are just there to go to college okay,

      Chellsie judging senior beam makes me ill. Shes like our bought and paid for version of Nellie Kim. Brestyns wife was used to judge also. And Anna Li just wow. This reminds me of how Kimbo came back in 2000 and then was used almost immediately as a judge.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I agree with you only I think Peyton has way more style than Aly or Sam…

      • mimi Says:

        i love that kyla was unaware how popular she’s become. i just want to like hi five her parents or something because the girl is humble and i like that.

  26. Lis Says:

    I would like to give a gold medal to every girl who wore her hair decently, i.e. not in a messy bun. Shallow, whatever.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      The hair awards. Coming soon to a blog near you:)

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I don’t know about you guys but I’m getting tired of McKayla’s pony-tail bun thing, especially now that her hair is longer. She’s an Olympian now have a neat bun or something (Peyton Ernst and even Kyla had nice hair styles).

      • exgymgurl Says:

        McKaylas real hair isnt that long. She wears extensions in a lot of her pictures. I think shes taken them out for competition.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        It looked longer coming out at the end, but you’re probably right. I liked Maroney’s leo. And Kyla’s too.

      • mimi Says:

        i vote for brenna – her hair looked good. sydney johnson-scharpf seems to have a signature hairstyle that’s neat and pretty. mckayla’s got enough hair to do pretty braided buns or something.

      • Tortuga Says:

        I love the classic bun personally. Kyla, Peyton and Maddie all had clean cute buns. Or an off the shoulder pony tail. I think the slightly shorter ones look better for whatever reason. They have so many other restrictions on the girls like no nail polish and only 1 pair stud ear ring requirements you would think they would have a clean hair style requirement.

  27. biyatch Says:

    So if you listen to twitter McKayla’s performance today “totes means shes going to Rio.” Here’s the thing, McKayla is awesome at vaulting. No one is going to argue that (although one could argue that at the moment that mattered most she head cased like Gabby at 2011 Nationals.) The problem is lots of girls have decent amanar vaults and while McKayla’s might be the best, its not like the E panel discriminates too much. I think its going to be much harder for her to make the team without contributing something else this quad. Most people would say it would be on floor but that remains to be seen.

    I have serious doubts McKayla can make it through the quad in one piece. She hurt her back in 2011 and had problems with it through 2012, she had a ton of shit going on in 2012 and lest we forget she FRACTURED her leg doing a LAYOUT off bars. Shes breakable. Its a long quad.

    If last quad taught us anything its that most of these seniors wont actually be in contention in 2016 and we should probably look to the 1999 kiddos for the core of the team.

    I do wonder how Laurie Hernandez floor would be received by international judges. Its awesome and shes got the sass and all that but it comes off very “American” and I’m not sure thats considered a good thing in elite gymnastics.

    I don’t think we’ll really see anything indicative of the US team for Rio until maybe PacRims next spring.

    Alright, I’m done ranting about gymnastics tonight. Please excuse the snark between the crappy feed, annoying commentating and bad gymnastics just couldnt help it.🙂

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      I agree. I don’t think we will see Mckayla in 2016. I think Kyla has a chance only because she really is a first year senior this year and competed for years with the current gymnasts so much so she is better friends with them than her teammates. Or I am just wishful thinking

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Yeah I think McKayla will only have a chance of making it if she’s the only one doing two vaults.

        If I were a coach I’d have my athlete (hopefully) to two vaults and rock bars. That’s the ticket to Rio. Especially bars. Like someone already said that’s the huge hole missing from the US and it behooves me why/how other coaches aren’t stressing it on their athletes. Maybe they just figure Gabby is coming back or whatever? Who knows.

      • exgymgurl Says:

        I think McKayla does her vaults pretty much better than anyone in the world. She is not at top form yet, but shes an extra medal for the US on vault. We dont even have that many Amanars right now, and Brennas score only being slightly lower than McKaylas was BS. She had no height and distance compared to McKayla. That wasnt a great amanar from McKayla but its still probably the best in the world.

      • Dee Says:

        gabby, LOL

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Oh and after tonight I feel so much better about Kyla. I also watched her interview and she said she took a lot of her more challenging beam elements out for the meet today so there’s more potential there. If she hadn’t crashed on floor, she would be very close to the 60 point mark.

        Funny thing is even with the crash on floor, she scored similar to what she was scoring with her weaker floor events (in the past) so I’m hoping her coaches keep her working at upgrading that event. If she can get those upgrades in I’d say she has a good shot at Rio, or at least Worlds the next few years.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        If she lost a point for the fall that gives her a 14. something. She needs a 5.9 and if freaking tiny Ohashi can do it so can Kyla

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Yup I think her score would have been an easy 14.4 without the fall. I know that’s biased US scoring but she still scores well internationally, like someone else on here mentioned.

        I know she shouldn’t rush an amanar but I feel like if she had one she’d be way more lethal come Worlds. A 15.2 on a DTY is good but I feel like they’ll be giving that to Musty too for the heck of it.

      • Anonymous Says:

        mckayla makes it if shes healthy and if she has both a TTY & a Cheng… how can the US not take her to any world competition with both of those vaults. a lot of IFs though.

  28. sanitynmotion Says:

    Anyone know why Lexie was only doing a DTY???? I forgot to ask that.

    Also why she scratched beam, but someone already asked that.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Beam is not her event. She doesn’t need it at this meet

    • Dee Says:

      Didn’t someone mention earlier that her foot hurt and that’s possibly why she did not do beam? Maybe that’s also why she did not do the harder vault? Or maybe I saw that on The Twitter and shouldn’t believe it? So much gym stuff to read today, starting to confuse it in my head.

      • mimi Says:

        probably both! i saw on twitter that she told the triple twist girls she hurt her foot. but honestly, if it was a different more political issue i doubt she’d say so.

  29. mimi Says:

    i still like sydney js’ floor better than laurie’s for the dance elements but both are great. emily gaskins is so pretty on floor, how did MLT end up with her? good to see that some nice floor workers are coming through!

    • exgymgurl Says:

      Emily Gaskins also impressed me. I was impressed with her at the Nasty Piukin cup though and wondered why she wasnt elite. I guess she is now. She was at a no name gym ( Nova Something before that Boca Twisters which I think was Carly Janigas gym) and moved to MLT late last year.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      Thanks for the reference to Gaskins. I loved her floor! She looks like she has had some kind of formal dance training. I think most gymnasts would benefit from this, especially if they are aiming eventually to the elite status. Sigh.

      • mim Says:

        absolutely, she looks like she’s had formal classical ballet or others dance training not just gym dance training. why in heck this girl chose cinncinati for gym i have no idea.

  30. exgymgurl Says:

    Sam took her headset off and put it near her mike long enough that we did hear production giving them little factoids. Amanda repeated a bunch of the things that were said. This is normal, production does this for all booth announcers in all sports. Her headset probably messed up her hair. Obvious production doesnt really know gymnastics. Obvious that Sam has never watched real gymnastics commentary like on Eurosport.

    I wish that they would put Asac / Miller together as commenators and offer an alternate feed on tv or online. That would be so funny to good cop bad cop them and have Miller try to be diplomatic and ASac just being realistic.

    • Dee Says:

      There was one video of someone vaulting on youtube where I swear I heard Elfi’s voice in the background. Was she there feeding the stuff to Amanda and Sam? Honestly Amanda wasn’t that bad.

    • Gymbee Says:

      A friend of mine does commentary for Eurosport. For worlds they use this commentators program (cant remember what its called), and he gave me his login details for Worlds and Euros. It’s amazing, score comes up before they post it on tv and even in the arena. And if you click on a gymnasts name, it comes up a bunch of facts like where they’re from, favourite hobby, etc etc, bunch of little tidbits to fill the silence when needed. For worlds I will dig out the login deets and share with you guys.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Yes please do. That will be interesting

      • Tortuga Says:

        Oh that sounds really cool. It’s like a great tool for super fans that don’t care to listen to American commentary.

  31. JAS4 Says:

    I wonder if Kyla is holding back any on bars because didn’t she pretty much have the same d score on bars as she did last year? I would like to see her at least do something closer to a 6.8 start value although I don’t suppose that’a necessary for this year.

  32. John Says:

    I’d like to give my thoughts regarding Kyla’s performance at the US Secret Classics and where she stands as far as being the most solid All Around US Gymnast now.

    I’m glad that she has finally upgraded FX… With her strong execution and beautiful lines, I believe that her FX routine will be receive rather well by international judges… Bear in mind that during Team Quals. at the London Olympics… She scored a 13.733 with a 0.3 OOB after her Double Arabian and no CV for stag leap… Without those errors, she would have receive a 14.2-14.3 for a FX with a D score of 5.5.

    With that said, I believe that her new FX routine is worth a 5.8. I think she’ll do the switch ring instead of the switch leap which will up her D score by 0.1. I’m not sure what else she can do to upgrade her FX for this year, but a 5.8 is a solid SV on FX.

    Over on BB… I believe that if she does what she’s capable of, she can master a Beam routine worth 6.5
    Switch Ring (E) + Back Tuck (C); 0.1 CV
    Side Aerial (D) + LOSO (C); 0.2 CV
    Switch Leap (C) + Back Pike (C); 0.1 CV
    Front Aerial (D) + Sheep Jump (D); 0.2 CV
    Side Somi (D)
    Switch Half (D)
    Front Tuck (D) + Wolf Jump (A); 0.1 CV
    Double Back Dismount (D)

    Acro: D+D+D+D+D = 2.0
    Dance: E+D+D = 1.3
    C.V. = 0.7
    Required Elements = 2.5
    Total BB SV = 6.5

    On VT, I think her DTY (5.8 Difficulty) is really solid and will score well… I’m not sure if she’s ready to do an Amanar now (She’s much taller now, 5’5″), but it’ll be great if she can get it back and consistently and safely land it, but for the P&G Championship and Worlds this year, I think a DTY will serve her well.

    Bars is by far her best event, she is miles ahead over any other US gymnast on this apparatus. Her current SV of 6.4 has served her well… So far, she has scored a 15.4 or better in the 3 competitions she has joined thus far (Jesolo, Germany, Classics). As far as upgrades goes, I think the most obvious will be connecting the Pak to a Chow 1/2 which will up her D Score to a 6.6. Another possible area is for her to a half turn after her bail and then do a Maloney 1/2 back up to the H-bar. I’m not sure if this is possible, but its just a thought.

    So to sum up:
    VT: DTY (5.8)
    BARS: 6.6
    BEAM: 6.5
    FX: 5.8
    Total D Score: 24.7

    I am looking forward to see Kyla Ross crowned as National and World Champion this year!

    • H Says:

      Interesting to read your thoughts on her D-score. Thank you:-)

      • sj0126 (@sj0126) Says:

        Kyla definitely has the potential to be on the podium for Worlds. She has great execution and she’s got the body type that the international judges really like. If she adds in her upgrades on beam and maybe a harder leap or something in floor she’ll be at the level with the rest of the field.

        Yao may have a bit more on bars and beam but on vault and floor they’re pretty equal or Kyla may end up having a bit more. You never know with China’s D score on floor. Iordache has more on floor and beam but vault and especially bars Kyla has way more. Russia is pretty even on most. If Simone gets her shit together she could beat Kyla but it really depends on her execution and how they score her.

  33. John Says:

    GTT: By the way, it’s great to finally find a forum where Kyla Ross gymnastics is well appreciated! I’m sick and tired of people dissing her all the time. She is such a beautiful and humble gymnast.
    As far as dissing her coaches, Kyla has said she wants to go to College and do the NCAAs. It is wise for her couches to pace her right, prevent injuries and burn out, knowing full well she wants to do gymnastics in College. It will be totally unwise to break her now.

  34. exgymgurl Says:

    According to Simones ask she had really bad allergies and was somewhat sick. I hope thats all it was

  35. exgymgurl Says:

    And it wasnt exactly the same Leo as Bross’s Simones had pink on it but I think now white and teal should be banned. Also you know your on the snit list when there are pics on facebook of everyone but Abigail Millet

  36. exgymgurl Says:

    As for Sam I feel badly for her. Her mom was probably trying to help her out and get her some experience. Like when her mom got her put on the 2008 olympic team after Marta killed or broke everyone else. I think she needs to go back to UCLA pick up a few more brain cells and try again if this is what she wants to do. I could see her working for USAG, but not doing that. She threw a horrible black jacket that did not fit over her shirt. The whole commentating experience was just weird. Nastias porn star voice would have been worse but not by much. She did make a good point about Skinners tumbling. Its like her coaches have no idea how the code really works. I get the same feeling about Simones coaches at Bannons. They arent known for producing elites or L10s and why she wasnt shipped off somewhere else like to Brestyns is beyond me. I would love to see that girl with Mihai.

    As for Kylas Amanar I think the last time she threw it was classics last year for a 15.3. If thats the best it scores shes better off with a DTY at 15.2 and doing something better on beam/ floor.

    • Stephen Says:

      Oh please, Sam had outstanding beam and floor routines in 2008 and deserved to be on that Olympic team. Also, Kyla scored a 15.55 on an Amanar vault at Jesolo 2012 with a big step out of bounds so if she could master the vault it would help her a lot in AA competitions.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Agree with Stephen on Sam making the Olympic team – it might have been “gifted” but I think Sam’s skills were more needed on that team over Ivana’s or Jana’s (I HATED Jana Bieger’s gymnastics so I may be a bit biased on that one). Shayla’s leg was broken and I can’t remember who else would have worked. Sam also got along with mostly everyone (I think) so I can’t say she didn’t deserve that spot on that team. If it were a 5-member team like it was in London though I believe she would have been the one left at home.

        I too agree that Kyla could be lethal with an amanar but agree that she shouldn’t force it if it’s iffy. Obviously that’s a skill many get injured on. At least Kyla has good form on her DTY. Technically she should far outscore Mustafina on it but Musty’s been given so many gifts on that.

        For Kyla to really be an AA threat she still needs to up her D scores on floor and beam (we know she’s easily capable of it on beam and will likely do so) and if she could up her D score on bars she could also be a podium threat there internationally. She needs higher D scores to beat the likes of Musty and Komova (who I believe had D scores in the high-6’s range and were getting near-16 or just over-16 scores in London).

      • Akshay Says:

        I thought Sam was in the Nastia/Alicia/Shayla club during that quad? I always thought this because the “Shawn would never be in this picture” comment was on Sam’s profile picture on Facebook. I agree with some of the earlier posts here though that Sam had what the team needed, but her mother probably got advice from Marta for Sam.

        Agreed. Mustafina’s DTY tends to have the landing fine, but the form in the air is absolutely putrid (and has further deteriorated since London).

        If I recall correctly, Komova and Mustafina both had 7.0s for their start values on Bars, and from the rumors coming out of Round Lake (which have circulated on Tumblr), Komova apparently has a 7.1 D-Score bar routine at the moment. I’ve also heard she has everything back except her Amanar. Granted, we haven’t seen Komova in competition in forever, but just what I’ve heard around.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Sam was never going to be used in team finals for anything but vault and that was only if Bridget was not on the team. Her bars, beam and floor all would have been passed by the gymnasts who did the team finals accept maybe Alicia on floor. Nastia was so overscored on floor regardless of what she did on the mat. Sam made the team by default because there were no stand out event final gymnasts to plug anywhere. Chellsie getting hurt screwed everything up or she would have been used on beam and floor over Alicia. Sorry but Sam was not beating the beam girls ahead of her not with the way the overscoring was going on.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I agree about Sam – thought she was a good “fill in” in case anyone else got hurt (yet she was the one who ended up getting hurt).

        Do you really think Marta would have put Chellsie in over ASac though on beam? I can see her putting in Chellsie over ASac on floor “after” ASac fell off beam (like a last minute thing) but I still felt she was going to use ASac on beam/floor no matter what since ASac was a former World floor champ, got silver at Worlds in ’07 on floor, and all that. Yet now that I think about it ASac was getting all sorts of scary on the OOB thing on one of her passes going in to the Olympics, so maybe you got a point there.

        But on beam, didn’t ASac do very well in quals and would have made beam finals if not for the 3 per country rule? I still kind of think Marta would have used ASac on beam over Chellsie given Chellsie’s lack of style/international form or what have you…

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        She would have gone with whomever scored better.

  37. byrdisthewyrd Says:

    Did anybody hear what happened to Rachel Gowey? I was looking forward to seeing her compete.

  38. mimi Says:

    out of curiosity – how do coaches address a lack of endurance issue (thinking about kyla here)… is it a matter of building fitness? or being a teenage girl, is it more about diet and health (e.g. iron levels, proper vitamin levels, sleeping enough and allowing for muscle recovery.. this comes to mind as it’s something im suffering through myself lately)? a combo of both? something completely different?

    i just find it strange that she herself cited endurance as an issue, given how fit she must be and that she’s kept on training.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      I’m guessing she’ll have to do more run-thrus with her floor; don’t they call it “numbers” or something? Like number of times they go through an entire routine start to finish?

      I know it’s crazy to me that any of these girls would have endurance issues. I mean, they are in crazy good shape. I can’t even imagine what it took for Maroney to come back to being in shape.

    • Tortuga Says:

      I think it’s just a matter of getting back in to routine shape again. It’s been awhile since Jesolo. This is the first meet in awhile so the numbers of routines are just getting back up there. But I’m not honestly sure what all they do to get endurance up besides requires so many full routines in a practice.

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