Kohei Documentary

I love subtitles 😛

If you have time watch this video. It is very interesting to learn about Kohei.

Did you know he competed in his first meet at the age of 6 and finished last?

There is also video of him learning the TTY.

I found it interesting.


176 Responses to “Kohei Documentary”

  1. sanitynmotion Says:


  2. gingercrush Says:

    Yay Larissa Iordache and Diana Bulimar look like they have some upgrades.

    Bulimar with a DTY could be rather competitive at Europeans and top 10 at worlds. Iordache with a DTY, better bars low-mid 14s and a killer beam and floor could really upset a few gymnasts.

    Plus Romania winning beam again is always lovely.

  3. Catherine Says:

    Has his wife had her baby yet? I just wish good things for him, his personality is lovely and humble. And the talent…I would so love for WAG to get a Kohei.

  4. exgymgurl Says:


    Chellsie Memmels canned speech

    Our Kohei of WAG is Shannon Miller… And shes awesome

  5. GymMom Says:

    I like Aly’s dress she wore for DWTS promos.


  6. JAS4 Says:

    When Kohei retires the U.S. should totally hire him to take over Marta’s job lol

  7. GymMom Says:

    My gosh, who else besides Shawn posts multiple photos of her workouts in ANOTHER pair of Nikes! I actually contacted someone at Nike Marketing I know to let them know how annoying Shawn is & her audience for the most part are not spending $160 for shoes or $200 plus for a Nike Fuel wristband.

    Shawn’s yo yo weight is very unhealthy! And she is too annoying to be a good spokesperson. She talks through her teeth, which is why most of her endorsements have been print.

    • GymMom Says:

      Sorry for interrupting this thread GTT. I had to vent!

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I don’t care if you vent but I just want you to know I am getting a lot of personal attacks against you that I am not approving because personal attacks against commenters is not allowed here. However personal attacks against gymnasts are welcome so vent away:)

    • DL Says:

      There’s a Nike wristband that sells for $200? WTF!

      • exgymgurl Says:

        Its like the fitbit and it keeps track of how many calories burned, you can sync it to your iphone etc…. its not a bracelet

      • DL Says:

        Hah okay. Still, seems like a lot when a pedometer costs under $30.

      • icemeltsfast Says:

        Nike doubles the normal sales/consumer price of a product when they slap their little checkmark logos on it. And yet, I hardly ever buy other brands of workout gear– they usually make the cutest and most functional gear. The same reason why everybody and their mother has a North Face Denali jacket, haha.

        But I think the Fuelband thing is absolutely ridiculous. It doesn’t even measure distance/speed or anything. It’s literally just a calorie tracker (termed “Nikefuel” tracker– kinda crazy/hilarious that they are trying to brand-name a unit of energy… LOL).

  8. GymMom Says:

    GTT, sorry to hear about the personal attacks & that you have to delete them. Why do people get so upset? It’s just my opinions.

    • exgymgurl Says:

      Gee gymmom….. I think you say a lot of things about Shawn Johnson and Gabby Douglas that are inflammatory in tone. I am not attacking here, I just think that talking about going to a marketing friend of your at Nike and telling them everyone in the world thinks Shawn Johnson is a bad role model for fitness is a little extreme. I think they know how many fuel bands and how much sales increased with the shoe commercials they put in DWTS last year. Honestly I think there is some validity in your critique but you seem myopicly focused on her like its a personal vendetta. Rationally one grown woman to another you have to know that will rub some people the wrong way. Especially teen girls, spanny thompson, and young 20 somethings in the gymternet. Honestly if you didn’t mention Shawn she would probably drop off the map here like Carly DingDong who is only mentioned here for a passing laugh or Mary Lou Retton who has that same likeable IT factor that Shawn does and in my mind is also super annoying.

      In Shawn Johnson your talking about a girl in her twenties who is essentially just starting out (despite being a gold medalist) and is still trying to figure her life out. Thats most girls in their late teens early 20s. So sure shes making mistakes and yes she does make mistakes in the public eye. Shawn isn’t doing anything immoral or illegal *as far as I know* and yes she is choosing for a job to put herself out there. Her situation could have turned atleresque what with her parents re-mortgaging their house for her gymnastics dream. We have no real idea what her childhood was like or how much money she has left at this point.

      I hate to say the N word but Nastia is what two and a half years older than Shawn? Shawn just turned 21 and its not like we are hearing about her out at the club every night like a Lohan or a Kim Kardashian.

      So maybe she isnt the ideal role model, but she does represent a lot of girls her age struggling with weight, body issues, stress etc. Even with the advantages she has we dont know what her personal struggles / stresses are. A lot of america finds her cute and likeable. And of the fierce 5 I would not describe any of them as cute and likeable. Gabby is branded obnoxious, Aly is an inaccessible princess ( but the closest to being cute and likeable, but shes too regal) Jordyn is like Sharpei in HSM and has been eclipsed, she was queen bee but didnt bring it on the biggest stage. McKayla is a smart alec arrogant brat, and Kyla is the sweet quiet one.

      No one in the 2012 group has that IT factor of cute and likeable that Shawn has. Shawn had a contract with Coke and McDonalds like Carly Patterson did which arent exactly the pillar of health foods. Remember VIrginia Slims used to sponsor womens tennis not too long ago. Nastia didnt have the IT factor, and Alicia and McKayla both have the sass. But its not the same. There are not that many women that have individual gold medals in gymnastics in this country. Mary Lou Retton, Julianne McNamara, Shannon Miller, Carly Patterson, Nastia Liukin, Shawn Johnson, Gabby Douglas, and Aly Raisman thats it. Mary Lou Shawn and Shannon are probably the most successtul at translating those individual gold medals into a career.

      So while Shawn isnt perfect or the perfect fitness role model shes comes across as genuine, likeable, relatable ( in that now she struggles with body image etc) and real. And if that didnt sell she wouldnt still be carrying so many endorsements.

      I am not a huge fan of Shawns gymnastics. Like Gabby and Jordyn, I felt like Shawn did what she thought was enough to get by. Dont even get me started on the cross legged landing on her Amanar. I wont defend her gymnastics.

      People are also rabid supporters of hers like they are of Nastia. Which means anything critical that is said could get flamed.

      So that my friend Gymmom in a nutshell is why Shawn Johnson is in fact marketable, and why people are stupidly trying to attack you personally for your opinion.

      • GymMom Says:

        I guess other than inconveniencing GTT, I honestly don’t care what anyone thinks about me. Life is too short.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        You are not inconveniencing me at all. I don’t agree with a lot you say about Shawn but you are allowed your opinion.

        NO ONE should be attacking you as a person because they don’t like your opinion. That is not how we do things around here.

        Attack the opinion NOT the person posting PERIOD or I will do something about it.

        I won’t tolerate attacks on you or anyone else and I don’t care who the member is.

        I love the group of people we have posting here.

      • Catherine Says:

        I would agree with this. I also think GymMom that your contributions are one-sided and mostly negative. I know I’d like to hear about whose gymnastics you do/did enjoy and stuff like that for a change. Obviously you’re entitled to keep going with Shawn etc. I’m just saying that it is grating as there is little variation or change of subject. Absolutely not trying to sound bitchy or patronising or whatever but I’d recommend either unfollowing her on twitter or maybe starting a blog and letting it all out.

      • exgymgurl Says:

        Thats not what I think about you gymmom, you seem like a very responsible person that cares deeply for her daughter (and other kiddos if there are I cant remember sorry) and enjoys fashion and olympic sport. You seem like a very passionate person. And like a very good mom. I separate all of that from your actions and words re Shawn. I think a lot of nice things about you. I was trying to explain why people react so strongly to your strong passionate opinions rationally. So even though you dont care what people think about you I wanted to make sure you knew I actually think a lot of positive things about you as a person.

      • Case Says:

        exgymgurl very eloquently stated the major issues surrounding GymMom and Shawn. I’d also add that I just feel like Shawn doesn’t need to be inserted into every single blog post set of responses here. No other gymnast is treated that way and it’s just kind of exhausting.

      • GymAnon Says:

        Well said, exgymgurl. GymMom, you’re certainly entitled to your opinions, but as Catherine and Case said, the constant venting about Shawn on posts that have nothing to do with her can get tiresome. I hesitate to advocate starting a blog solely to criticize one gymnast (at least at GTT we spread the love around, lol), but you clearly have a lot to say … perhaps having a dedicated outlet would be helpful to you.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      I don’t mind GymMom’s rants – I don’t entirely agree with everything but I do find them a bit comical? Call me weird.

      I am iffy with Shawn – used to be a HUGE fan of hers, like huge. Like second to Shannon Miller huge. Look at my posts before she retired and you’ll see. I found her extremely likable and I loved her when she was competing – she did so insanely well under pressure, who couldn’t admire that?

      But when she told her fans “I can’t wait for you to see my floor exercise” and that she was doing well in training, things were going well yada yada yada (getting us all excited) and then a day later announced her retirement because of her knee injury, that threw me for a loop. At first I was sympathetic towards her because well, I was a fan. Then when I really thought about it, I realized she basically duped everyone. I understand she has sponsors and responsibilities there, but it just began to dawn on me that her comeback attempt had ended months before we even knew about it, and she was holding out until nationals to announce it – likely due to sponsor stuff. It just sucked. I wish she could be more genuine and honest about it. I’d have a lot more respect for her if she did, and I would have a lot more respect for her if she was honest about the reason because I don’t buy that it was fully due to her knee injury. I think it was because she knew Marta wasn’t going to put her on that team, but I wish she would affirm that. No matter what the cost. It would have been better for the sanctity of the sport, but that just falls out the window because nobody has the balls to spur Marta.

      • tortuga Says:

        I still like Shawn for everything she did in the sport while competing. I just really wish we could have seen that floor routine. They way she described it was going to have more artistry and great choreography that we don’t normally see in gymnastics. Wouldn’t it be interesting to have lyrical or contemporary dance in a floor routine?

        And no her body doesn’t look quite like a fitness role model but at least she’s really trying from what we can tell. Maybe she has some thyroid problems or health issues getting in the way or her weight or body goals. I’ve also heard that if you don’t stretch or foam roll properly to recover from work outs your body’s progress can stop due to injuries it’s trying to resolve. Just a thought.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Eh – I’m not buying that Shawn doesn’t know how to stretch or foam roll. Girl’s been in one of the hardest sports (if not THE hardest) mankind has to offer; anyone working that hard 6 days a week 4 to 7 hrs a day knows how to rest/recover their bodies. Shawn should be an expert at this.

        I know how to foam roll and I just do P90X, which is nothing compared to gymnastics!

        While she’s not necessarily a fitness model (look up Jamie Eason as a true fitness model and fitness advocate), Shawn does obviously want to do everything she can to keep her Nike endorsement, and I don’t blame her. That being said, I do agree with GymMom that of anyone, she should find it relatively easy to get back her gym body, even if she’s not doing gymnastics specifically. She’s done it before (muscle memory) and she has the time/money to back her up. She of anyone should be showing off a toned physique if that’s what she’s aiming for. Trouble is we don’t really know what she’s aiming for, or what she’s trying to do.

        I’ve said it before, I think she’s going through an identity crisis.

      • Case Says:

        I actually didn’t care either way about Shawn but the constant bashing of her here has kind of tipped me over to her side. I feel bad for her. Lol.

      • GymMom Says:

        This interview Shawn just gave to the Chicago Tribune basically verifies that she was going to retire, even before she injured her knee skiing. Did she forget all the bs she put out about her “comeback?”

        Shawn just showed what a PHONEY she is….pretending like she was trying to make the 2012 Olympic team when she had no intention of doing that!

        Trying to maintain her Nike endorsement was the ONLY reason she misled everyone.

        Oh, and her hashtag in that tweet #uncandidhonesty is a HUGE Freudian slip….”uncandid” to me means not candid, which describes Shawn’s comeback baloney!

        She’s running a 10K in Chicago on Sunday with 100 other women who “committed” to running with Shawn & her trainer Jeanette Jenkins. It was not open to the public.

        In other words, it’s some kind of marketing ploy by Nike. Nothing wrong with that, but lets call it by it’s rightful name. Isn’t it nice of Nike to donate $10 out of the $40 registration fee to a Lymphoma charity? Not impressed!

        Did you know Shawn was “living in Los Angeles now? Apparently she is no longer involved with Ryan Edwards who is a college student at the University of Iowa…after he humiliated her by not staying for the DWTS final night. He got his camera time on the first night of the Finale. And remember he tweeted about trying to pick up a flight attendant on his flight to LA for DWTS?

        I noticed Jeanette Jenkins doesn’t mention Shawn or tag her in tweets as much as she used to? I mean Shawn and/or Nike is paying Jeanette for training…she’s not Shawn’s BFF. Jenkins other well known clients like Kelly Rowlands & singer Pink all look fantastic & they’re much older than Shawn. And in Pink’s case, she had a baby.

        And the thing that bugs me the most about Shawn is her PHONEY bs. She has access to an unlimited amount of Nike gear, financial means to hire a personal trainer, stable family support, all the time in the world, she’s young and even with all that, why isn’t she in tip-top shape? She seems to enjoy & gravitate towards fame. That being the case & living in Los Angeles she should know the camera doesn’t lie. A camera adds 10-15 pounds at least. When you’re short, the on-camera look is even worse. I know because I’m 4′ 11.”

        She is setting herself up for failure. She’s not ugly but she is not a classic beauty either. I mean, what is her talent? Retired NFL & NBA players work as commentators etc. What kind of jobs are out there for retired gymnasts?

        If she opens a gym in Iowa, I don’t see thousands of kids lining up to pay for memberships based on her name being on the front of the building.

        And really, Shawn needs to wake up to the reality that her marketability is waning.


      • Biyatch Says:

        i think shawn’s comeback was originally legit, she just realized after 2011 between the health of her knee/lack of regaining full difficulty it wasnt going to happen. How else can you explain “degrading” herself with a bunch of NCAA gymnasts in 2011 at Pan-Ams

      • GymMom Says:

        From the Chicago Tribune interview today:

        Q: “If you hadn’t hurt your knee, would you still be a gymnast?”

        A (Shawn): (She pauses.) “Everything happens for a reason. I can honestly say I was ready to be done. I don’t think my heart and mind were in it anymore. I was getting to a place where it was a little too unhealthy. I saw that and for me it wasn’t worth it anymore. The smart part of me, the angel side, was saying ‘there’ s more to life than that perfectionism.’ It was healthier for me to get out of it again.”

        And was part of that “perfectionism” gaining weight during the Tour after the 2008 Olympics & then gaining more weight during DWTS?

        Continuing….She also said in that interview she thought she could “eat whatever she wanted” without any consequences? A former world-class gymnast wants us to believe that? Come on now!!!!

        After YEARS of extremely restricting her food intake for the sake of gymnastics, she thought she could eat whatever she wanted???

        Even 6-7 hours a day training in the gym before her retirement, she and other world class gymnasts are on restrictive diets. Without the 6-7 hours of training per day…she definitely KNEW what the consequences of eating whatever she wanted would be. More bs!

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I think her answer there was way too vague about quitting gymnastics. What do you mean, it wasn’t healthy anymore for her? Was it because gymnastics made her strive for perfection? I just don’t get it. She always talked (before) how much she loved the sport and even when she “eventually retires” she sees herself still involved in it.

        All of her responses just don’t add up anymore. She is definitely not telling the truth, it is obvious, and I’m not a fan of dishonesty. I loved Shawn before and was so excited for her comeback. I really wanted to see her get it done. Something happened though and it wasn’t all to do with her knee, that part is obvious.

        Maybe one day the truth will come out.

      • Brooke Says:

        We did see her floor…did this entire blog miss it? It was only a dance through, but it does exist.


      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I did see that but it’s so much better to see someone performing it and with tumbling…plus that wasn’t her original Florence and the Machine music was it?

        I’d really like to see when she performed it at camp – but I guess they don’t videotape that. 🙂

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        They don’t show us that is for sure.lol

  9. tortuga Says:

    Yes, start your own blog about Shawn and possibly find other people that agree with your views on her. That’s a brilliant idea. Then we can get back to talking about code of points changes and who has potential etc.

    • GymMom Says:

      No thanks on setting up a blog to bash Shawn. I don’t feel I’m bashing her. I am giving my opinion about the constant bs she puts out there.

      She tells the Chicago Tribune she is living in LA, while at the same time she wants to open a gym in Iowa? She has no credentials and/or formal education. She seems very undiciplined to me….jumping from one idea to the next. She gloms into people like at the X-Games a few weeks ago. Where are those BFF’s now?

      She rarely tweets about her family anymore, but wants everyone to believe “kids” are one of her passions? Really?

      For those who love Shawn…why do you love her? I am seriously asking.

      • tortuga Says:

        I didn’t say “bashing” I just said about her.

      • byrdisthewyrd Says:

        Okay GymMom, I’ll take the bait. I loved Shawn because living in Iowa, it was honestly huge to have an Olympian from there also. She seemed very girl next door and even if she’s all Hollywood now, she still seems that way to me. I guess I feel like she is doing what any small town girl would do if she were put in Shawn’s position. The position to finally make money, to see the world, to meet celebrities and to just live the exciting life. I guess I just don’t see what’s wrong with that. I was never a Nastia fan. She was just too perfect for me. Shawn was imperfect in all the right ways. She wasn’t the graceful Russian but she was powerful and strong. She seemed like a fighter. Like you didn’t have to be born from the Olympic seed to be an Olympian; nor did you have to have super rich parents who could so easily afford gymnastics lessons. And plain and simple, I like how positive she is. I loved it then and I like it now. She’s a smiler and I like that. I always loved seeing just how much she seemed to enjoy her gymnastics. Life as an adult can be pretty crappy and she’s just starting her journey as an adult. Sure, she’ll make mistakes. I made mistakes at 20 and 30 and so will Shawn, just like everyone else. Also, I cannot possibly bring it in me to obsess about another person’s weight, even if they are claiming to be a fitness guru. To me, women are too hard on other women as it is. It seems as though we can be our own worst enemy. I guess in the end, I see Shawn as a growing young woman who’s just trying to figure out where she fits in life and what the next step is, like everybody else, only she happens to be in the spotlight while doing so.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Nastia was not perfect. That is a myth. Nastia has crappy form (nice lines are not form) and she is a two faced phony so no, the media led you to believe Nastia was perfect but she wasn’t.

        Shawn actually has better form than Nastia

      • byrdisthewyrd Says:

        And really, I don’t think the reason people get so upset with your comments is because they “love” Shawn so much but for all the reasons that exgymgurl mentioned above. It just seems like such blatant attacking on a consistent basis. I get that you feel strongly against her, it’s just a bit offputting because it’s so very mean spirited and constant. You do have a right to your opinion, it just gets kind of hard to read on a regular basis.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Have you read this blog? I am Gymmom when it comes to Nastia because she is such a phony. I feel the same way about Gabby to a lesser extent.

        I agree though that Gymmom never lets go and maybe she could work on that but it is still her opinion so I can’t fault her for it.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Haha, let’s be honest – GymMom has really made this blog exciting today!

        We need the GymMoms out there when gymnastics is relatively slow, right? I mean we have three years until the next Olympics and Worlds still seems soooo far away…

      • Case Says:

        GTT, I feel like your opinions on Nastia are not as excessive as the Shawn stuff.

        I think it’s the quantity of the Shawn stuff here that is wearing some regulars a bit thin. JMO.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        They are actually worse than GymMoms on Shawn. I just decided a long time ago that I wouldn’t let them rule me or this blog.

        I stopped reading about Gabby for this very reason.

        I am glad I went to scam and saw how Gabby acted without a camera around because as much of a little brat as she is she doesn’t seem to act that way around her normal gym people. Nastia however is exactly the same every time any time I see her anywhere.

        I could write a hate blog about Nastia every day I come to this blog but I don’t.lol

      • Gymbee Says:

        I really enjoy all the posters here. But I do agree (that’s just my opinion) that it gets a bit much and constant with the negative stuff about Shawn (and Gabby’s mothers weight – who cares about that?).

        I saw Shawn’s twitter photos today, and immediately thought Gymmom must be immediately running over here to say how “fat” Shawn is :-p

        I like Shawn – I was annoyed and angry about her phony comeback too, but then when I think about her age, I tend to “calm down” a bit. Lord knows people do mistakes when they are young, and Shawn just strikes me as a bit ditzy and confused and easy to lead on by agents, sponsors etc, especially given her age. I think Shawn has good intentions, but is just young and confused.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I am sorry but I have been trying to figure out how to word what I am about to say and congratulations, your post set me off so lucky you.:) (Don’t take it personally this has nothing to do with you individually)

        This blog is realistic. If you want all US gymnasts are perfect try IG.

        If people are fed up with Gymmoms comments IGNORE THEM. I don’t have a problem with them and I am kind of getting sick of the infighting. This is why I stopped approving new comments because I didn’t want what is going on now.

        So if anyone is sick of listening to Gymmom than STOP addressing what she says. Maybe she will stop but I doubt it.lol

        That being said I don’t think Shawns comeback was fake. She looked great and obviously worked hard in 2011 I think by 2012 she saw the writing on the wall and didn’t want to tell anyone towards the end that she had seen that said writing on the wall. There was no way Marta was going to take her. That spot was saved for Princess Nastia and that is why Alicia, Bridget and Shawn seemed to have that twitter 3 amigos vibe.

        I don’t think Shawn is fat at all she has a huge disadvantage being short and I think Gymmom is nuts thinking Shawn is fat

        So if you people have an issue with any comment either direct your comments AT THE COMMENT or ignore it because I don’t want to become Abomb but I will if I have too.

        Gymbee, PLEASE don’t take this personally I have been trying to word this the last few weeks and your comments just helped me do that.

    • GymMom Says:

      I enjoy reading & posting on blogs where there are different points of view, which is why I like this one. GTT is great about allowing free flow of conversation other than posters attacking each other.

      After the 2012 Olympics and the Gabby debacle, there was literally no other blog willing to speak the truth about Gabby & her dysfunctional family. Thank you GTT for providing a forum and for living up to the name of your blog.

      • Catherine Says:

        I don’t think anyone has a problem with snark here, I often find it hilarious even if I don’t agree with it. It is just that your posts tend to be fairly relentless in tone, and focusing on things like weight or the decisions of a 20/21 year old. I really can never condone or agree with negativity about a person’s weight, particularly someone so young. I know Shawn is not 13 and clearly has life experience under her belt, but I’m only a couple of years older than her and I feel like I have grown and matured a lot even since I was her age. I think she will probably be more settled in a few years, and have a career, or working towards achieving that career. At the moment she’s in a bit of a limbo. And I agree, her twitter is annoying. But I don’t think she’s done anything worthy of the wrath she faces though…

        I try to keep snark out of my blog. It’s not that I don’t laugh at it elsewhere, it’s just not for me and nor is longer examples of negativity. I always value your opinions on other subjects though- it was really interesting hearing about the various Olympics you’ve been to, and other posts like that. I’d love to hear your opinion on other topics!

    • Gymbee Says:

      GTT, not taking it personally at all 🙂 I like that about your blog, how people are voicing their opinions in a civilised way, without the attacks.
      And I definitely don’t prefer a blog that says all US gymnasts are perfect.
      I was just stating my opinion (not that I think my opinion is that worthy or important!). I really enjoy all the posters here, yes, definitely Gymmom included! The constant Shawn bashing usually makes me laugh. Anyway. She can post what she wants and I can think what I want. But, I will stop voicing my opinion on posts of that nature – how boring if the comment field becomes one long page about Shawns weight :-p

  10. Biyatch Says:

    Jordyn and Jake Dalton signed with adidas gymnastics. i guess they are trying to stay relevant even without usag.

    glad jordyn’s gotten something major. i always found it interesting that when she went pro she did the whole run up to the olympics without an agent, seems she missed some opportunities because of that. aly and mac both had agents pretty soon after worlds.

    the usa mens side is very interesting right now, they should probably be concerned if jake is considered one of their top a/a-ers. while he is beautiful on floor and vault, not sure its enough to compensate for his p-horse rarely breaks a 13.

    • GymMom Says:

      Glad for both of them. Signing with an agent is a double-edged sword.

    • exgymgurl Says:

      Thats honestly huge for Jordyn……. good for her

    • exgymgurl Says:

      If I had to guess also Jordyn had that wierd deal with paying Geddert which I think was re-worked post olympics. With GK / UnderArmour instead of Adidas I think its awesome that Jordyn will keep Adidas in the realm of gymnastics. It probably means she’ll get a lot of overseas promotion also because Adidas / Puma (same company) is much bigger overseas than UnderArmour is. That must mean Adidas dropped Nastia. Oh well….. LOL…..

      And GTT I completely agree with you that Chow made sure with Math that Gabby had enough to win. I think the last two quads are just a bad math game…. The next one is looking to be the same. Its all about adding difficulty and credited connection. Its all about the D Score not the E score. I mean every gymnast pretty much gets at least an 8 on the E score regardless.There really is only a 1-1.5 discrepancy on execution between the top 20 athletes. If you add 2.5 in difficulty youve wiped out the importance of the execution mark, so yes its all about difficulty.

  11. GymMom Says:

    Sports Illustrated…,.described Shawn & Co at the 2011Pan Am Games as the “B-Team.”

    “After the country’s top gymnasts had a wildly successful trip to the world championships in Tokyo, the U.S. sent its B team to the Pan Am Games. Of note, Olympic champion Shawn Johnson won a gold medal in the team competition and a silver medal on the uneven bars, not typically her best event. It was Johnson’s third competition and first international test since a two-year hiatus, during which she did numerous shows and won Dancing with the Stars. Johnson tore an ACL in her left knee during a ski accident that required surgery last year. “It’s like a jigsaw puzzle and you have to fit a certain part,” she said. “I’m trying to make my gymnastics fit.” Bridgette Caquatto won the women’s all-around, becoming the seventh straight U.S. gymnast to take the title.”

    And yet she continued her bs tour…making that infamous PHONEY promise about a never-seen-before floor routine one day before retiring.

    She did it all including releasing her book right before Olympic Trials to hang on to her endorsements & to sell that crappy book.

    Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/brian_cazeneuve/10/31/pan.american.games/index.html#ixzz2MzROWf1M

    • GymMom Says:

      I actually liked Shawn after 2008 including during her DWTS appearance. I changed my opinion of her after that.

      Her phoniness started then. She should have been more honest instead of desperately trying to keep her endorsements.

      And it has just gotten worse!

    • Lyra Gill (@lygill) Says:

      IMO, Shawn lost the will to train for the Olympics after not being chosen for Tokyo ’11 despite hitting at camp. If I remember correctly, she had the highest score in beam, and of course, her bars was around Jordyn-level at the time. (And she did have a DTY, plus she was training floor…)

      Shawn performed floor for Marta (I can’t remember if this was during Visas 2011 or the camp, and apparently Marta thought the choreography was too risque for elite.

      I’m not exactly sure about this, but I’ve read that there were times wherein Shawn would try to train but her knee was so swollen that there was nothing that she nor Chow can do.

      While I’m sure that Shawn’s injury wasn’t as bad as she made it out to be, there WAS still an injury, and add that to the politics of USA Gymnastics, and Shawn just lost the fire to go for London.

      Anyway, I’m not a Shawn fan, but everyone in the gymnastics community was tricked by Shawn’s whole ‘I’m coming back!’ promise. I’m almost a 100% sure that that was Sheryl Slade’s idea, and from a marketing side of things, I can’t blame Shawn for promising things she can’t fulfill because of the whole endorsements issue. Nonetheless, I do understand why some people are so angry at her – she was never a favorite of mine but yes, I was still disappointed in her.

      And GymMom, I’m confused – of course the team sent to PanAms was US’ B-Team. I don’t get why this is such a big deal.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Shawn hit at camp and was left home in favor of Vega, VEGA. That says it all.

      • exgymgurl Says:

        Teodoro Ungaru… and Marta didnt want Shawn… two birds with one stone… embarass the pants off your returning gold medalist….

      • hurms22 Says:

        The whole choreo thing was when Shawn had a floor routine to Florence and the Machine’s Dog Days Are Over/Cosmic Love mashup. The national staff had decided it was to “avant garde” for gymnastics and she switched to the choreo she did at Visas.

  12. H Says:

    Tralla la la la:-)

  13. H Says:

    Bailie Key looks like a really good all around gymnast which I have not noticed before now.
    Do anyone know more about her?

    • Catherine Says:

      I am so excited to see her at Jesolo. Texas Dreams is bursting with elites but she is their best, so far anyway. She has a new floor routine so no more carnival, and upgrades include a Downie (YESS!!) and Church on bars, and arabian on beam. I don’t want to sound nuts or anything but she’s a very complete AA gymnast. She is powerful enough at the moment given her stature, her DTY is very clean. I think she can upgrade more substantially on floor and vault when she grows a bit..she has a lot of time, two more years to senior. The fact that she is clean and flexible and can actually vault is just great. *fangirl moment*

  14. sanitynmotion Says:

    GTT – do you think Nastia is the most over-rated gymnast of all time? I wonder because I really didn’t pay much attention to gymnastics after Miller up until the ’08 Olympics…and before Miller I was too young to know what was going on.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      I think she is the luckiest gymnast of all time. She competed in a code where she was overscored on her two worst events and had a D score on the one event that won her a gold medal.

      She is overrated. She had no competition not because she was that much better than everyone else but because of the code she competed in.

      Shawn’s biggest mistake which Chow made sure Gabby didn’t have was putting in the extra difficulty on her bad events to the point where even if she competed them badly they still got the bonus points. Shawn needed that on bars because the judges did not give a shit about execution. Look at Nastia’s floor routine. It was messy and sloppy ion the form department. Look at her bars. All those leg separations and feet coming apart were ignored because she pirouetted herself to a gold medal.

      I have learned. Judges do not care about execution in this code. If you want t win go big and do it ugly because that is what wins. The Olympic judges are the worst.

      • GymMom Says:


      • sanitynmotion Says:

        So, chuck everything if you can. That’s sad because it makes gymnastics so ugly anymore but I agree.

        What did you mean on Shawn’s biggest mistake? That she had too much difficulty on her “bad” events or not enough? Sorry if I mis-understood. So he didn’t put too many difficult skills in Gabby’s off events?

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Gabby was sloppy on beam but she still got great scores. Her AA score on beam where she missed two connections was a joke. The way her bar score went up 4 tenths while everyone elses went up 2 was just blatant cheating by the judges. She had the difficulty but they just didn’t care about the execution.

        Shawn had great form on bars but when the start values for gymnasts like Nastia even when her execution sucked was too low. She needed to add some tenths. At least 5 tenths.

        I knew Shawn had no chance of winning when Nastia’s floor score was what it was. Than she fell on bars and still got a great score.

        The judges knew who they wanted. They made it happen.

      • exgymgurl Says:

        I think the judges wanted Komova and she fell. They werent going to give a gold to someone with a fall. I think if Komova hit Gabby took silver. Komova messed up. She is like the Wieber of the Russian team and Mustafina is the Raisman. No way that Gabby was their first choice for gymnastics queen but she had the better day. Had Gabby fallen I dont know who the gold goes to, but she had the difficulty and stayed on. The judges seemed bound and determined not to give gold medals for falls this last year.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I don’t agree. Komova was overscored especially on beam but her scores overall were no where near the overscore Gabby got. They could have ignored her mistake on vault but they only did a little. Gabby took 2 or 3 steps and still got a ridiculous vault score.

        Don’t agree. They wanted Gabby

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Komova did not fall. She messed up vault and had the best overall floor routine of anyone at the Olympics.

      • exgymgurl Says:

        My mistake she didnt fall. I still think that they wanted her and she lost it for herself. I think Jordyn was penalized in prelims for beating her in 2011 and I think that was why she was not put through. The beam connections were all an excuse. Komova was supposed to be the Russian star of this quad at these games. And it was Mustafina. I dont know what the vault judges looked at for execution. It was completely silly. I tend to think its all very political like how marta had picked her team before anyone took the floor at classics. Except her team was Nastia on Bars and Beam over Kyla.

        I think the judges knew who they wanted to win before the gymnasts even took the floor. It just depends on who makes major mistakes. The US got a lot of dumb overscores on their amanar vaults. McKayla didnt land centered in TF, and that score was outrageous.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Gabby’s vault was messy in AA. She took 2 or 3 small steps and still got a ridiculous score. The judges wanted her to win. Everyone kept saying Komova was the chosen one but her best three routines came in the AA but her overscores were not anything compared to the gifts Gabby got.

        Like I said before her bars went up 4 tenths and everyone elses went up 2. Gabby’s beam score was the highest of the meet. She had better scores than the beautiful routines the Chinese did in event finals for messy missed connections and don’t get me started on her floor.

        This is my opinion but if the judges had wanted Komova to win her floor score would have been much higher. That was clearly the best routine of the Olympics on floor. Aly has difficulty but her presentation is , well lets just say it needs work.

      • icemeltsfast Says:

        GTT, which Olympic gold medal of Nastia’s are you talking about (“the one event where she had a high enough d-score”)? Or are you counting her tied score to silver medal as a “gold?” Because we all know that she was damn lucky to tie for that gold in the first place. I think that 08 EF is still one of the most hotly debated medal placements, even today. And I am definitely on the side that thinks Nastia should have gotten 3rd, maybe.

        However, her bars gold from Worlds- Melbourne was well-deserved, don’t you think? It’s odd that she had a DLO at some point!! And it’s sad that her ankle injury made her gymnastics worse to the point where I cringe at that dismount every time…

        I don’t know if she really had worse form than Shawn. Maybe (especially if I have to watch her double front half). BUT she was much more flexible, so… ehh I don’t know. This is tough, lol.

        I completely agree about winning with ugly form in this code. But I also think nationality and reputation matters a lot, too. These factors certainly don’t fully determine winners, but they do so when you’re the cream of the crop-good along with only a handful of people

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I am talking about her AA gold medal. If she was scored fairly on bars, beam and floor and even vault when you consider her lower start value there is no way she would have won gold. I don’t think she deserved a medal on bars at all. Yang should have been first, He and Beth for either silver or bronze than Nastia. There is no way Nastia deserved the floor medal either. Jiang Yuyuan should have had bronze.

      • H Says:

        Icemeltfast or anyone, what is a DLO?

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Double layout

      • icemeltsfast Says:

        Carly, Nastia, and Gabby… they are all quite lucky. Anybody who happens to peak in fitness during the Olympics and/or be in the judges favor (ie: get overscores) and/or have a weak competitive field/rely on and/or NOT be the best AAer in the competition = lucky. I guess for Nastia’s case, Shawn was only a slightly better all-arounder in the sense that she could actually do 3/4 events competitively.

        Sanity, you pose a good question– I don’t know who’s the most over-rated. These days I lean towards Shawn/Gabby/Nastia/Aly out of the recency bias, but whenever I watch older competitions, it’s usually Khorkina… out of all her bars medals, she only deserves like… one (Sydney’s), which pisses me off lol. But any time a gymnast is super hyped up (by fans or by judges, based on overscoring) and I see poor form/lack of flexibility/fluidity, I’m likely to label them as overrated.

        Who do you think is the most overrated?

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        AA gold medalists are usually overscored through event finals and they usually have their mistakes ignored like Lilia on beam in 96. She had a bobble and still got a 9.8 something. ANYONE else would have been given a deduction.

        Khorkina is the worst when it comes to overscoring in event finals. The 1996 worlds is a huge example.

        Other gymnasts don’t get the free pass. Shannon Miller in 1994 stepped out of bounds and got a 9.6 something. She never seemed to get the free pass through event finals and in fact in 95 was low balled. She made all 4 event finals on a sprained ankle and her beam score had one bobble on a skill we now don’t even admit existed.

        I hate judges. They cheat, it is that simple.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Carly wasn’t overrated IMO. She was pretty even on all four events, a rock on beam and her presentation on floor was atrocious but she usually did a good job on her landings. When she hit her DTY she usually did a good job

        Gabby has one medal to her name and was overscored. I still say Komova has a case to have won.

        Nastia’s entire medal collection was a travesty and she was never deducted for anything she did badly.

        I hate how the Russians whine artistry was robbed when it benefits them (Khorkina, Komova) yet think Gutsu deserved to win on skill when she did the skills badly.

        Notice something? the gymnasts that never seem to get deducted for their issues are all Russian. Khorkina, Nastia (she is no American. Listen to her she is all Russian , all her favorites are Russian)

      • icemeltsfast Says:

        Maybe I am letting my own feelings toward Carly’s gymnastics blind me, but I never thought she deserve the AA gold. Sure, she was the best of the U.S. team in Athens (I wish Yim and Memmel made it; but I’ll leave out the “what if’s”), but her bars were inconsistent and weak. If you’re the AA Olympic Champion under the perfect 10.0, I’d expect your SV’s under all 4 events to be 10.0 or at least have near perfect execution if one is not– Carly’s bars were neither. Hell, I prefer Shawn’s bars over Carly’s.

        I am not a huge fan of neither Khorkina nor Zhang Nan, but they were both better AAers than Carly in 2004. I am not saying Khorkina and Zhang should have won, given their routines THAT day (which is what counts, obvs).. just that they were better as a whole. What this debate boils down to is the question who is worse on their respective worse events?: Carly’s bars vs. Khorkina’s beam vs. Zhang’s vault. I know that Khorkina was very sore after her vault score and wasn’t exactly consoled by her overscored bars, but still, ignoring her attitude and wonky scoring and her overratedness, I have to concede that Khorkina, even past her prime, was the better gymnast in the same way the Komova was the better gymnast in 2011 & 2012. Really disliked Athens in general, lol. Maybe what I should say is: nobody deserved the AA gold in 2004.

        By the way, there was a typo in my post above; I meant to say “and/or have a weak competitive field/rely on FALLS from their competitors.”

        haha yes, I suppose some well-known Russians do get away with their form problems. Maybe the judges just felt bad about how tall they were? (lol totally guessing here). To be fair, Nabs gets deducted for her form for sure– it took her a while to snag her UB medal: she had to clean up her form A LOT, and that required taking out her Nabieva. And Pavs get deducted enough that she’s a permanent 4th placer. And Aliya’s helicopter legs gets deductions for sure– the rest of the routine just makes up for it. Maybe this turning the blind eye to forms problem goes back to judges favoring that international look!??? I can never figure out what the judges had against Shannon– she was definitely always overlooked.

        Team Russia tends to have more artistry in their routines but not every single Russian gymnast is artistic. I liked Prod a lot but I would never classify her as “artistic”– “fierce” is more like it, haha. Fans just generalize, I think, when they say X team is Y trait. Although hypocrisy is a recurrent theme in … all aspects of life, I will agree about the Russians typically not being the most graceful losers though (didn’t they practically throw off their silver medals during the Team ceremony?? haha).

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Khorkina’s form on vault was a mess. She should have had 8 tenths in deductions but I don’t really know who the best gymnast was in 2004. That would involve actually watching routines again but I felt Carly won that night.

        My personal preference if I wanted a winner for be Zhang but a lot of people think Pavlova deserved the bronze medal but I always find the Chinese low balled as a whole.

        The judges never seemed to like Miller. Her mistakes usually were deducted and while I agree she has quite a few bobbles on beam in the 93 AA she also usually scored 9.862 or higher for that routine so a 9.6 actually makes sense.

        I actually always felt her beams should have been higher.

      • icemeltsfast Says:

        PS: I didn’t say Carly was overrated– just that she was lucky haha. And she was. How could her closest competition be an “aging” Khorkina, at her 3rd Olympics? Carly’s gymnastics was consistent and difficult enough but a snore and forgettable. She made no contributions to the sport as a whole other than that ugly as hell dismount off beam. She was lucky that she peaked in Olympic year and had virtually 0 competition. Take half of what was present in 1996 and she wouldn’t have even placed top 8. To me, a real AAer is competitive (ie: will make the EF’s) in at least 3 out of 4 events.

        Carly could not have been overrated because to be overrated, people must rate you highly in the first place, and to my knowledge, nobody really does, lol.

      • icemeltsfast Says:

        .8 in deductions? I’m not good with the old code at all but haha, you are harsher than the judges in this case!

        I don’t enjoy revisiting 2004 at all so I can understand why you wouldn’t want to either (;

        I’ve always thought that Shannon was freaking amazing as a whole (of course, I’m watching everything in hindsight). She was definitely the 92 Champion AAer. It’s nice that we don’t hear her bitching about close competitions/unfairness like Nastia and Khorkina. The Chinese definitely get underscores at almost every competition (except Cheng Fei’s beam in 08)– it’s also nice that they don’t bitch about it. If anybody deserves bitching rights for life, it’s Kui Yuanyuan for her 97 beam, lol. I have never tallied this or anything but I feel that as a whole, they “should have” won/deserved higher scores the most times out of any other team that “should have won/were underscored.” More recently, Huang Qiushuang has been underscored (throughout the quad). Same with Sui Lu (2010 being the most blatant but having to go first in the London BB wasn’t in her favor either).

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Kui had too many bobbles to win. Gina was clean and that code demanded that. Its sad but I am really, really, REALLY against big tricks and bad form winning. Just a pet peeve with me.

        Watch the 96 worlds for UB. That was huge cheating.

        I am probably a little mean on Khorkina but watch her vaults. They are so messy, difficult but her form is literally atrocious. A complete mess and I bet they could find 8 tenths in deductions.

        2004 was boring and watching ti would bore me. Lets just say the entire Woga clan benefit from weak overall gymnasts.

      • icemeltsfast Says:

        Bars is my favorite event to watch so I will rewatch 96 San Juan WC when I get the chance tonight, but from my memory, Liu Xuan should have won that with her one armed Gienger. I am guessing that is not what you were talking about though (since a one armed gienger is, imo, a “big trick”).

        The 96 UB is what I rewatch the most often– what did you think of those placings?

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Still trying to figure out why Amy Chow was all of a sudden a medalist out of no where but the alternatives were Romanians and Dawes oh and Dina.

        I guess I am fine with the results though Dawes making the event finals with her messy landing was a joke.

        Isabelle Severino was robbed at worlds.

      • gingercrush Says:

        2004 Olympics suffered from too few gymnasts that were in Sydney and too many fresh faces that disappeared very soon after. Team Final was actually rather good with Romania using their gymnasts perfectly and Russia doing well to beat China. The US were a bit stink. From those awful leotards to having Mohini Bwardji (sp) doing beam to the stink faces after realising they loss.

        AA was boring with little competition and the event finals were weak. Floor saw so many mistakes and some could or would say Ponor’s execution plus lack of tumbling difficulty should never had merited gold. But she excelled in the non tumbling events which is why she scored so high. UB was ewww and only Rosu was amazing on Vault (not sure people appreciate Rosu nearly enough). Beam final the top three at least were bloody amazing and so much better than what we saw in 2008 or 2012.

      • icemeltsfast Says:

        Haha I don’t think Dina was that bad– I appreciated her routine for not using any easy low to high transitions. I think Bi should have won but it was close enough so I can’t complain too much.

        Dawes in the bars final was as funny and out of place as Jordyn in the bars final in Tokyo. At least neither placed so there is still some justice.

        Anyways, lol how could I forget? Khorkina f-ed up big time and still got her gold. I didn’t think Piskun’s was all that great either– her entire routine was 2 off-center hop fulls + a jaeger + cool dismount. It’s between Severino and Liu for me; Khorkina should not be near bronze.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Dawes wouldn’t have been in the finals if Jackie Fie didn’t lower Shannon’s bar score to keep her out of finals.

      • exgymgurl Says:

        With Amy Chow it was all about her amazing dance moves.. right up there stylisticly with Kerri Strugg and Dawes… and then hitting her head on beam constantly. I wonder if she recommends that as a pediatrician?

      • Gymbee Says:

        What still pisses me off about the AA judges is how they gave Gabby a 15.966 with a landing off-centre and hop to the side on her Amanar. And Maroney just .267 more in TF.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I agree about Gabby being the “chosen” winner before the start of the meet in London for the AA. If it were Komova the judges would have just given her the needed points on her floor exercise, because that was easily the best routine of the night – and let’s face it neither Gabby nor Komova were perfect in every event. Gabby’s bar scores made no sense; that routine was nearly a replica of the team finals routine and somehow the judges found 4 more tenths for her. And her beam connections were not connected, but somehow that wasn’t seen either. I think it could have easily gone either way (Gabby or Komova) and no matter what someone would have been bitching about it – that’s what always happens.

        Some great points you make GTT about Nastia being more lucky than anything else. I was thinking about the point you made on Shawn’s bars – that Chow didn’t give her enough of a difficulty “cushion” on that event to make up for Nastia’s crazy score potential on that one apparatus. What’s definitely pathetic is that Shawn had crazy difficulty (compared to Nastia) on THREE of the four events, she hit every event, and yet she still never managed to regain the any ground Nastia had achieved over her because of just her bars!

        I just went back and re-watched both Nastia and Shawn’s beam routines from the AA competition. Even with much more difficulty, Shawn was scored lower than Nastia – both had bobbles, in fact I would argue they had the same number of bobbles whereas Shawn had much more difficulty (the one difference was Nastia did not take as much of a step on her dismount; however Shawn’s dismount was much more difficult so the end result should have been that they were equal on the dismount portion pretty much). It was like the judges had it out for Shawn – were deducting things like turn radius and leaps when prior to the Olympics Shawn wasn’t deducted for those sorts of things. And the other thing – most of Nastia’s “connections” really should not have been counted. There were a lot of pauses between elements. The onodi to sheep jump I think was one of the combos that I definitely thought should not have been counted.

        Then you have floor, where Nastia had no business scoring in the 15’s. I don’t know how she all of a sudden became a “floor worker” at that Olympics and was getting that bronze medal. That was such a joke.

        And a 1.5 twisting vault should not have scored in the 15’s either – that was a complete joke. If Nastia’s quad had the most recent quad’s code of points, she probably wouldn’t even be used in the AA; she’d be like she “would have been” this quad – a specialist on bars and beam.

        One more point/comment I had to make was that I find it then odd that the judges “allowed” Shawn her gold medal on the beam at all. Nastia went after Shawn (on event finals) and they could have easily given her another gold there considering they basically “gave” her that score the night of the AA.

      • Gymbee Says:

        Sanity, re Shawns gold medal on beam, I was wondering the same.

        My best bet is that the judges couldn’t make it too obvious they were handing that Olympics to Nastia, OR someone told them to tone it down?

        I want a tell all book from a head judge 🙂

      • gingercrush Says:

        Shawn had to win Gold. Her difficulty was 0.4 higher than Liukin and it was way better too.

        Funny that beam was such a high scoring event in the 2008 code and it would appear Beam and UB will again be the events where high scores can occur.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        gingercrush: Shawn didn’t “have” to win gold. That was the point I was trying to make. In the AA competition, Nastia’s beam was scored higher than Shawn’s – I think by a whole tenth at least if I’m not mistaken. So the D score really didn’t matter – and if we added up Shawn’s D scores for all 4 events vs. Nastia’s D scores (in the AA), you could easily have argued what you just did for the beam event final: that Shawn had to win gold.

        The judges make things happen the way they want them to. That’s why I found it odd that they actually gave Shawn a gold on beam, when that was the EXACT apparatus they were all of a sudden “finding” tons of deductions for in the team final and AA (split leaps not 180, turns not fully 360, etc.)

        I agree with you though that beam and UB are now the 2 events with the highest scoring potential. Last quad it was vault and UB. This is why the likes of Maroney and even Biles will really have to step it up. Kyla needs bars/beam upgrades if she’s to have a chance in the AA because her floor is so super weak and it seems she may have lost her amanar.

      • icemeltsfast Says:

        Sanity, the thing is, Li Shanshan, the beam specialist and the only reason she was brought to Beijing, would have won the beam gold if she had not fallen (which she seems to do 1/3 times). She scored 8.3 so it would have been 9.3 without the fall, beating Shawn. I will agree with you about Shawn’s execution score really shooting up for the EF though, even if it were of better quality than her prelims one. I honestly still think it’s a travesty she is a beam champion, lol. I would have rather had Nastia win just by performance aesthetics alone. But this is just my opinion– that if you cannot do a 180 split, you shouldn’t be garnering beam medals or attempting switch rings (ie: Ponor).

        Also, I still don’t know if I’d say that beam has such a high scoring potential… sure, they get a new series bonus, but on the other hand, they are supposed to be much stricter with connections and rebounding and whatnot. It’s hard to tell right now because Scam had wonky scoring but, for now, I would still peg VT and UB as the highest scoring ones. They also have the most predictable d-scores. Of course this will depend on how many gymnasts can easily adapt to the new CV rules.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I get you on the Li Shanshan thing, but the year before at Worlds Nastia beat her on the balance beam for gold. So the big surprise for me overall is how come the judges didn’t give the gold medal to Nastia (over Shawn) when Nastia had a great beam routine (from what I remember) and went after Shawn – basically the judges were in more than a good place for getting away with giving Nastia yet another gold medal. I’m just surprised it didn’t happen I guess given the deductions they were giving Shawn earlier in the competition.

        I also find it ironic that Deng Linlin was also competing at those beam finals in ’08 and then ended up winning gold four years later in London (although I think Sui Lu got screwed over on that one).

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Didn’t Li Shanshan fall during that competition?

        I really did not pay attention enough to remember all the details during the Nastia years:)

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Yeah she fell at event finals – she probably would have been given the gold had she not fallen. So Shawn got it.

        What I was wondering was why didn’t the judges gift Nastia the beam gold over Shawn when they had the chance. Shawn went before Nastia and both had hit routines. Plus they were finding errors with Shawn’s that they weren’t finding with Nastia’s. …

        You know, since judges are so biased I’m just wondering what made them give Shawn that gold when they could have just as easily given it to Nastia…

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I meant didn’t Li fall at worlds.

        I cannot begin to figure out what the 08 judges were up too.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Yeah she fell at Worlds…and got the silver medal. That might be another one I need to look at (that EF).

      • gingercrush Says:

        Sui Lu is lovely on beam but she does have a horrible habit of shuffling her feet constantly on beam.

        Also Nastia deserved her e score on vault of course they changed the difficulty for a 1.5 after that year and along with that suddenly decided Amanars and DTYs would get a good e score regardless of how they were actually performed while the weaker vaults would get rather low e scores for what was performed.

      • icemeltsfast Says:

        Lol that’s precisely how I derived my 1 fall per 3 routines ratio for Li Shanshan. 2007 mirrored 2008: hit in prelims (16.325) and hits in TF (16.275), but she falls during the EF and hands the title to Nastia (rather than Shawn). She always gets the highest beam score of the competition. It’s so sad but really the story of many Chinese gymnasts.

        I don’t get what was going on in that BB EF but to be honest, there was little to deduct from Shawn’s routine– her splits and like 2 wobbles. They should have deducted more for a severe lack of choreo/artistry, but there’s no denying her difficulty. So I think it would have been hard to justify too low of an e-score… lol I really have no clue. Do the beam judges even stay constant throughout the competition??

        Gingercrush: haha the feet shuffling doesn’t actually bother me too much.. not as much as hands shuffling on bars, which actually get 0.1 deductions. :p

        Nastia’s 1.5 was very nice. Maybe if they didn’t change the VT difficulties, Bross would never have been attempting DTY’s.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I know there wasn’t much to deduct from Shawn’s routine in EF (beam) but they found a lot to deduct in TF and Quals…maybe in TF and even the AA she had one more bobble than normal but she was pretty dang consistent overall on beam, I thought.

        My question/comment/random thought had to do with why the judges gave it to Shawn when they could have just as easily handed it to Nastia. Find some lack of 180 split to deduct for Shawn (which they had been doing earlier in the competition) or something to give the nod to Nastia. It would have been easy and I really feel if Nastia had won beam gold, there wouldn’t have been much contest from viewers, right?

        I thought Nastia’s vault was very nice too but didn’t have a lot of height – I just never saw a 1.5 Yurchenko score in the 15’s like that. If that scored in the 15’s every time then we’d have seen Ana Pogras in the next quad win more AA titles.

        My other random thought/question: how did Shawn do in beam EF at Worlds 2007? Did she fall?

      • JAS4 Says:

        Sanity I’m surprised they didn’t give the beam gold to Nastia as well lol but maybe they gave Shawn the beam gold as the consolation prize for giving Nastia the AA gold

    • H Says:

      sigh …

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        No problem. I hate the way they shorten the skills on bars like that. Its all over my head:)

      • icemeltsfast Says:

        Sorry!! I just got used to that because I get lazy!! I’ll try to type them out. It’s also my favorite dismount on bars and one of my favorite tumbles on floor. (:

        and yes, agreed on her FX bronze as well (I just didn’t want to list ALL the medals that Nastia does not deserve– could potentially be a very long list– the bars one just pisses me off the most because I feel like SHE isn’t over it to this day. If it had worked out in her favor, she probably would have said something like “rules are rules; I don’t make them” or whatever, but instead it’s “tie breaker unfair– I lost to the Chinese girl even though I shouldn’t have” lol). And Yang Yilin somehow got screwed at the Olympics even though it was on home turf. Still strikes me as odd when I rewatch AA and UB EF.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      Oh – and I have to say, I think Carly definitely deserved the gold in ’04 despite the weak field (too bad Ponor didn’t practice bars) and Khorkina was a mess of a gymnast. I never really liked her or what she did – not a fan of her gymnastics. It was too “flailing” for me, and her vault was indeed atrocious to watch. I know she had to do what she had to do for her height but ick…

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      I want to say that I think the most over-rated gymnast of all time is Mary Lou Retton. Talk about winning in a weak field. She had like, no competition at her Olympics, AND it was on home soil.

      I also don’t think her 10 on vault was warranted. If Shannon’s vault in ’92 wasn’t a 10 no way was Lou’s a 10.

      And thanks for your points GTT I thought they were very interesting. I wrote a long rant about it but I think it got lost.

      • icemeltsfast Says:

        haha you know every time somebody talks about MLR as changing the face of USAG for being the first AA champion, I wish there were an asterisk.

        *Had the Soviets not boycotted the games, Olga Mostepanova would have killed the competition.

      • gingercrush Says:

        I think that is rather unfair to Ecaterina Szabo who was actually a relatively good gymnast Not on par with perhaps Mostepanova or other gymnasts whose countries boycotted the Olympics but she was a good gymnast.

        And could be argued she was unlucky during Team Finals. I just can’t buy the idea Mary Lou Retton was that much better in that department especially the compulsories.

        During the AA Szabo clawed back 0.100.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Sczbo fell too. That would have lost her the gold aa medal anyway

      • GymMom Says:

        And I have to switch the channel when the Good Feet Store ad with Mary Lou in it comes on. I see Shawn grating on everyone’s nerves in a few years in the same way, when her only endorsements will be shoe inserts for older people.

  15. nero Says:

    OK, I like Mustafina. I’m glad she had a lot of success at the Olympics after a major injury. Especially after Shawn made such a spectacle ‘I tore my ACL and no one has comeback from such a huge life threatening/possible amputation/ I’ll never be able to walk again injury’

    BUT her stans are fucking INSANE. You’d think the girl’s name was Jesus and she has absolutely no faults as a person or a gymnast.

    • icemeltsfast Says:

      Yeah I don’t get why she is practically worshipped… “the queen” as they say…

      I haven’t followed through many Olympics (okay just two), but it’s almost odd that there are so many Americans who are fans of Komova and Mustafina. Of course, I am a fan, too, but not in the obsessive sense. I just mean that the amount of fandom over these two seems quite new since I don’t remember any non-team USA obsessions after 2008.

      If anything, Chuso should be the one on the alter…

      • Catherine Says:

        Moors has a load of scary new fans. She wasn’t picked up by them in London, only at american cup. They are really weird.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I agree. Its really annoying and crazy. People like attention from these gymnasts and she retweets everything they say so they do it more.

      • gingercrush Says:

        Do Canadians watching gymnastics wear ugly knitted jumpers/jerseys/tops and knit whilst watching gymnastics as they do figure skating?

      • gymtruthteller Says:


      • tortuga Says:

        I find Moors Twitter pretty hilarious at times, fans included. The comment that she should be on the Nutella jar was entertaining to me.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        She is fine, her fans are nutella

    • Lithi Says:

      Stans of just about anyone are pretty fucking crazy. It’s one thing to admire what they do, it’s another to make a deity of them. (And even something else when they tear into other people and their fans because they do not worship their one and only.)

      Scary, scary people.

  16. gingercrush Says:

    Hmm Tatiana Gutsu is awesome. Sorry 😉

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      No. Hard skills done messy. Her split double layout was a split double pike. No where near a layout and she has no artistry, presentation and crappy form.

      • Catherine Says:

        I agree about her presentation. But she had major back problems in 92, her tumbling including the split leg DLO was much better the year before. A pity she couldn’t have replaced her floor in 92 with an old one.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Better but still piked

  17. GymMom Says:

    This will burn your eyes permanently! Oh God…Nike must reinforce their running tights? Ha ha.


    • utgymfan Says:

      I agree with a majority of your posts/opinions GymMom but I feel like I should be allowed to state my opinion on the obsession over Shawn’s weight gain too. My personal opinion is that Shawn is in better shape than I’ve ever thought about being in and she will never have the typical gymnast build again. Yes she does some annoying things but she’s not bitchy like Nastia and I think she’s in the middle of an identity crisis trying to figure out what exactly it is she wants to do with her life. If I was 21 (which wasn’t very long ago) and I had lived her life, I would probably be going through the same issues she is. She’s trying to lose the weight but at 4’11” even five pounds can look like a significant weight gain. I’m just stating my opinion that I think we shouldn’t worry so much about her weight gain. If this gets labeled as a personal attack then whatever…all I’m saying is I think there are more important things we can discuss than this.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      I think she looks great in that picture.

    • Gymbee Says:

      What? I think she looks great. So flexible!

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      I’d be embarrassed to have my a$$ facing a lens like that but that being said, Shawn does look really good. A 10K is a lot more than I did today haha.

    • nero Says:

      I personally find Shawn a trillion times more fake and annoying then Nastia, but that’s just me. I would never call Shawn fat, because she isn’t. Just like I would expect the level headed Nastia haters wouldn’t call her fat, because she isn’t either.

    • Karlie Says:

      I agree – I think she looks great there. She looks healthy. She has a muscular build but she’s clearly in shape. Actually, it concerns me a little bit if you think that’s “fat.”

    • Catherine Says:

      I don’t know why you would perceive her as being overweight there? Her BMI would be skewed since she is very muscular but I don’t think any system would have Shawn as overweight. If she’s overweight then we all are.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Shawn might be overweight by the stupid ass standards they have on this issue.

        Every year the weight comes down. My sister looks anorexic and we have been getting on her case for a month about but he doctor told her when she gained 5 pounds that she was considered over weight by the standards everyone uses.

        Those standard for height and weight are insane and that is why no one should follow them./

      • icemeltsfast Says:

        Aw, sorry to hear, GTT. I hope your sister isn’t really anorexic and maybe just has a super fast metabolism. That’s a huge problem in this country… one of my close friends from high school ended up having to take time off college and go to a rehabilitation center, where they treated her for not only a slew of eating disorders but also the mental illnesses that have high co-morbidity with ED.

        It’s hard enough going to high school (and facing body issues/overemphasis on image), but I think when you’re in a sport like gymnastics, it’s even harder. =/

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        She’s fine but this idea that gaining 5 pounds put her over the limit according to the doctor is freaking nuts.

      • Catherine Says:

        Sorry to hear that GTT, hopefully it’s just a phase. If she is a teenager especially it could well be. I know I’m far from the only person who went from 4-23 or so very underweight with concern etc. and lots of tests and then boom, normal weight for the last year..

        The standard here is that overweight is a BMI over 25. Obviously a flawed system but can be reasonably accurate especially for people with pretty much no/very little muscle tone.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        She’s an adult and fine. Just her semi mid life crisis.

  18. exgymgurl Says:

    I think she looks amazing in that picture. If I had that flexibility Id pose like that too, and in running tights everyone looks overweight. Sorry people Im just not seeing it. How brave of her to put that out there.

    • GymMom Says:

      Who would post a photo like that on Twitter? And what I didn’t mention is how she interjects gymnastics into everything. I thought she retired from that? We get she’s flexible!

  19. sanitynmotion Says:

    I left a long comment/rant about Nastia/Shawn and that whole thing about Nastia being a lucky gymnast but I don’t think it posted. GTT did it get stuck in your approval box somewhere?

    I just don’t feel like typing it all out again. 🙂

    • icemeltsfast Says:

      Haha I remember leaving a long comment debating the paleo diet vs. the “quinoa is healthy” mentality, but that didn’t go through either and I kept copy/pasting it but it just wouldn’t. I wonder if there’s a length limit or something.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      I will look. Things have been going to spam.

  20. Katie Says:

    My tumblr keeps crashing! Every time I get to the “aly bullied a kid a few years ago” it goes down!

    • Sara Says:

      Apparently some guy posted that Aly bullied him in middle school. A girl posted that he seemed “unstable” when she tried to talk to him. People are (or were, I think it came out a while ago) debating whether or not it’s true.
      I personally love Aly, and while I would be disappointed if it was true, this may have been more than 4 years ago, and I believe kids can learn from their mistakes, and do things just to fit in sometimes.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Bullying is a word thrown around way too much today.IMO. Two kids fight and they call it bullying.

        I just find it hard that Aly bullied some bullied some boy. 4 years ago Aly was 13/14 and her personality was shy.

      • GymMom Says:

        I think the “bullying” word is thrown around way too much now. Kids are mean but most of it doesn’t rise to bullying.

        Unless there is credible evidence out there, I don’t give it any credence.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Someone just posted another comment saying I am afraid of you and that is why I let you post about Shawn.lol

        I love IG people. This person made a comment about you hiding behind your comments because you post here

        (this is what they said exactky,

        Go hide at gymtruthteller, where other people cannot counter you. Post at any other forum, and people will put you in your place

        ) and I refuse to let this person (who seems to be stalking every comment you make) attack you.

        Classic when whiny IG people can’t control the internet.lol

        This person has been writing these for a month and now they are spam.

        “I need to take back my blog” lol

  21. GymMom Says:

    It’s funny how many people perceived wrongly….that I thought Shawn looked fat in the photo I posted earlier today. Actually, I thought the position and her ugly running tights made for a very unattractive photo. Very interesting indeed!

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      The position was weird. I’ll give you that.

    • Case Says:

      GymMom, your posting history and the fact you said, “Nike must reinforce their running tights” is why people may have assumed you were talking about her weight. Just FYI.

    • Gymbee Says:

      I got that from the “reinforced running tights” comment – thought you meant they were padded. Did you mean re-inforced in the way that she’s doing a split and they stretch a lot?

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      I thought she meant “reinforce their running tights” like they must have made her “reinforce” their image since they are so ghastly in the first place.

      Like, “hey, if Shawn is wearing them maybe they aren’t so bad and I’ll go buy me a pair, even though they are ugly as sin.”

      No way would I be seen wearing those. I would rather run and not be so conspicuous.

      • GymMom Says:

        Running rights should be black or a darker color…too much information is not attractive! Most runners don’t have the flexibility Shawn has, so I doubt Nike running tights are manufactured for that kind of stretching. I figured out that Shawn has to keep reminding people she was a gymnast, which is why she was stretching like that.

      • Gymbee Says:

        I have black Nike running tights and I do over splits in them. No problem 🙂

  22. Ann Says:

    What is the deal w gabby’s endorsements? They were predicting $10 million six months ago when she won. How did it pan out? I have not seen her in any commercials and it looks like she fell off the face of the earth for most people….

  23. GymMom Says:

    Today Shawn told one of her followers she wants to “own several fitness centers” and work with kids. Ah…kids don’t buy memberships to fitness centers. If she loves kids so much, why hasn’t she EVER spent any time with kids the past 4 years since Beijing? Most athletes who have tried to capitalize after retirement have failed becaause they had no education and/or business experience.

  24. EliteFan Says:

    Couch Gymnast posted an interview with Kyla Ross today — what a humble answer — “*definitely* hurt Jordyn and it *sort of* hurt me…too” :

    If you could change anything either in the sport or the code, what would it be and why?

    I think, as we learned with this Olympics, the two-per-country rule. I know that it definitely hurt Jordyn and it sort of hurt me on beam finals, too. At first everyone was kind of upset about that but it’s been a rule for awhile so you have to accept the fact.

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