Canned Alexandrov anyone?

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Alexandrov has been fired and I personally cannot feel sorry for him. You know who I feel sorry for? Roza Galiyeva and Shannon Miller. They were screwed out of a chance and an AA gold medal by not only cheating judges (Nellie Kim I am looking at you) but by Alexandrov himself. He is the one that chose to screw the rules in favor of a Gold medal over integrity and the true meaning of the Olympic games so if he lost his job it is only the beginning of the bad karma he deserves.

For Russia this sucks. There is no denying Alexandrov’s talent as a coach but like I said, It’s hard to feel sorry for a cheater.

Hey Alexander Alexandrov, Stay out of the US. We have enough cheaters here.

And just because I can:)

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130 Responses to “Canned Alexandrov anyone?”

  1. terrigymfan Says:

    GTT, you are talking about the 1992 Olympics, right?

  2. terrigymfan Says:

    I just looked it up on wikipedia. I never knew Alexandrov pulled that stunt!

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      and he got away with it. I can’t believe the US did not make a big deal out of what he did and no one even brings up Miller’s silver or how robbed she was. That is the one thing I will give Tim Daggett credit for. Her said she was robbed and I think it was on the 96 Olympic broadcast but it might have been the gala.

      If they had done this to Kim Zmeskal the US media would have brought it up.

      • Kazic Says:

        I didn’t know he did that the either. Is it wrong that I am appalled and impressed all at once?

        Who I really feel bad for is Musty. That girl cannot catch a break. I really feel this is a huge blow to Russia’s return to gymnatic prominence.

      • Dee Says:

        I completely forgot it was him that did that in “92. Now I see the need for the canned Alexandrov, hah.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Can you send me a link? I am curious to what wikipedia says and I looked but cannot find it.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rozalia_Galiyeva

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Thank you

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        never mind

      • terrigymfan Says:

        Here is what the article says:

        “Galiyeva competed with the Unified Team at the 1992 Olympics in Barcelona, Spain. She competed with the Unified Team at the 1992 Olympics in Barcelona, Spain. She exceeded expectations in the preliminary competition, finishing 8th and qualifying for the individual all-around final behind teammates Svetlana Boguinskaya and Tatiana Lysenko.

        However, before the all-around, coach Alexander Alexandrov pulled Galiyeva from the competition, citing a knee injury. Her replacement was teammate Tatiana Gutsu. Although Gutsu had fallen from the balance beam in the team finals, she was renowned for her extreme difficulty and the reigning European all-around champion and a Worlds medalist on beam, vault and bars. It was later revealed that Galiyeva’s injury was nonexistent, and that the substitution was made because Gutsu was considered to have better medal-winning potential. Indeed, Gutsu emerged from the Olympic all-around as the gold medalist. While Gutsu split her prize money with Galiyeva, Galiyeva always remained angry about this turn of events.”

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I find it hilarious she named her daughter Tatiyana.lol

  3. nero Says:

    Wow never heard about this. Granted all I’ve ever known about Alexandrov is he coached in the US for a while then went back to Russia. He’s basically like a ghost to me, never knew much about him until Russia rose to the top in 2010

    • sainabou nyang Says:

      Same here. Damn. I was a kid during tue 92 and 96 games so i didnt know much about him until he returned to Russia a few years back.

      I’m about to head over to wikipedia and look this up lol.
      Who was the coach for Russia after 96-early 2000s?Sorry I had stop watching gymnastics during that time.

  4. sanitynmotion Says:

    I knew that in 1992 Tatiana Gutsu failed to qualify for the AA because of mistakes made in quals but the coach took the person who actually did qualify for Russia (turns out it was Galiyeva) and basically said she was injured when she wasn’t so he could put Gutsu back in.

    Even with Gutsu in, I felt like she was overscored and Miller deserved that gold. Miller was robbed on her vault.

    That being said, it’s the sport (FIG?) that allows (and even promotes) this cheating. That’s why the sanctity of this sport is basically zilch. Who can respect it when it’s clearly so biased? Ugh. Yet I still love it because I appreciate the complexity and determination that it takes to be great at it.

    So here’s my other question. I’m guessing that in order for Russia to be able to do what they did in 1992 (and even currently, for that matter), Gutsu would have had to be the next-highest AA ranked to be placed in that event. So if say, Gutsu qualified 26th and only the top 25 made it, then I can see how he got away with it. But if that wasn’t the case, shouldn’t the “fair” way to go about this (if indeed there WERE an injury) would be to take the next highest-ranked girl and allow her to compete in the AA? Unless the “injured” girl was from a country where another girl qualified in the top 24 but failed to make the AA because of the two per country rule. So for instance, if Gabby had been injured in these games Jordyn could have stepped in for her. Anyways – not sure what the rules are but that whole thing was shoddy.

    How old is Nellie Kim and when can she retire? Or more appropriately, when can karma bite her in the ass? Marta too.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      That would be a great way to stop the cheating (replacing a hurt AA gymnast with the next inline NOT the same Country) but they changed the rules for 96. In 1992 you had to be injured in order to be replaced but all they needed to do was say she was injured and not prove it. They might have needed a Countrys doctor to say she was injured but I don’t remember but if the coach cheated the doctor could also) Now the rule is you can put in whoever you like as long as they finish top 24.

      So not only did the IOC and the FIG cheat they hid the cheating by changing the rule.

  5. Exgymgurl Says:

    I think there was a 3 per country rule for AA in 1992. So Gutsu was the fourth AA qualifier for the unified team and was thus subbed for the third… They should go back to the 3/ country rule.

  6. Exgymgurl Says:

    it upsets me that moceanu had the same stress fracture in1996 that Jordyn had this year and yet she sat out trials and petitioned to the team… maybe if Jordyn had been allowed to rest…

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Moceanu was not injured. That whole injury was a joke. I would bet almost anything she heard Shannon was injured and Bela created an injury so she could have rest too.

      Moceanu was so injured that right after the Olympics the injury disappeared and was never mentioned again. While Shannon did not compete floor during the pro meets, Moceanu tumbled away like it was nothing.

      I don’t buy that injury and I never have and I never will. She may have had a slight injury but the so called stress fracture was a complete fabrication.

  7. mim Says:

    so he’s been sacked in light of the recent comments about the russian teams training pre-olympics (eg grishy’s craptastic coaching) do you think?

    i remember a lot of comments (on jordyn failing to qualify AA) saying that the us should pull a gutsu for jordyn, a lot of people didn’t think it was a problem ha. terrible that those sort of stunts are allowed by FIG. i can’t quite understand why they aren’t neutral. they aren’t exactly bankers, traders, stock brokers, politicians, economists, CEOs of major companies… where high-stakes lying, cheating and corruption has a major tangible effect. they are regulating gymnastics for crying out loud. or am i ignoring a big business element here that i know nothing about? nellie kim should go use her “talents” for a major lending institution or something.

    sucks for musty. poor girl.

  8. Case Says:

    Hmmm, this is interesting for a couple reasons. 1) I’m curious about where he will land because he will land somewhere and 2) the impact on Mustafina. Something tells me Musty will be fine.

    Why Grishina’s coach has any credibility is beyond me.

    • mim Says:

      i agree, musty seems pretty resilient, but it does suck for her.

    • Kazic Says:

      Mustafina will be fine. That is one girl who always sticks her landing 😉 My issue is, this is incredibly unfair and disrespectful to her. This is not how you treat the girl who single handedly saved your Olympics. This will be the second time she is abruptly abandoned by a coach through no fault of her own. Boo. A pox on Andrei’s house lol.

      • Dee Says:

        I think she will be fine, as well, but given the fact that we have all heard how difficult she is to coach, good luck to the new guy! 🙂

      • Kazic Says:

        Dee don’t believe everything NBC tells you. I don’t think she’s any more difficult than the rest of them. She can just be a bit headstrong.

      • Dee Says:

        Didn’t actually have anything to do with NBC, it was more from all the videos put out before London…the team in general seemed like they would be a little rough to coach.

      • Kazic Says:

        Fair enough Dee.

  9. tulip Says:

    GTT,
    I’m not sure what I like more- your comments or your hilarious artwork!

    • catherine Says:

      Well Bellu did the same thing, he pulled Marinescu for Amanar in 1996. I really do feel bad for the girls that earned their place and are pulled but if there is immense pressure on a coach to bring back medals, then they will be looking to maximise it.

      • Catherine Says:

        Again with my phone sticking a comment in the wrong place. Anyway, I also think the pulling of Marinescu was worse, because it was humiliating for her- she was publicly painted on all of the commentary as a lazy gymnast who didn’t know how to work as hard as Amanar, that was the reason given.

    • terrigymfan Says:

      I was also about to say GTT outdid herself this time with her graphic artist skills.

  10. terrigymfan Says:

    It seems like shenanigans and cheating hit an all-time high in 1992. Remember this was the same year US Federation of Gymnastics (now USA Gymnastics) created that bizarre “private session” in Orlando after Trials to get Kim Kelly off the team in favor of Betty Okino. Okino missed both Nationals and Trials that year due to injuries and under the normal rules that meant she couldn’t be on the team. The perception though was that she had a better chance of medals and/or helping the team out at the Olympics so the gym powers rigged a process to put her on the team and get Kelly off. When you think about it, this was no different than what Alexandrov did – cheat and ignore rules at all costs to try to win medals. The only difference is Alexandrov’s tactic actually worked since Gutsu did when the aa. Okino did nothing at the Olympics.

    • Case Says:

      I think that scenario was very political. It wasn’t even about who could bring home the most medals for the US…it was about the fact that Okino was one of Bela’s girls and Kim Kelly was a Parkette before being a Parkette was prestigious (right word? probably not.) I don’t think the Strauss’ had much leverage in those days so when it was put to a “vote” many other coaches chose Okino simply to stay in Bela’s good graces. It was total BS and Kim Kelly got screwed with a capital ‘S’.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        Good point Case. I was probably being excessively gracious in suggesting there was any reason — even trying to enhance the US team’s chances at the Olympic — underlying what the US FIG did in 1992 other than politics and self-interest.

    • Catherine Says:

      That is true. And I doubt the number of screwed gymnasts ends with Galieva, Marinescu and Kelly. I think people forget about Kim, because her floor was so fugly. NOT the routine where she was clearly ill, but in general..

      • terrigymfan Says:

        Yes Catherine, there are a lot of people who question Kelly’s gymnastic skill. It issn’t right, though, to tell any athlete – especially a young athlete like these gymnasts – that here is a standard you have to meet to achieve your goals and then to say, after he or she meets that standard, “Ha ha. We lied and are going to take away what you just earned.” Cheating and manipulating rules and processes are bad enough under any circumstances, but when it involves screwing over young women (or men) who have worked so hard to achieve their goals it is downright criminal in my opinion. The same thing can be said of Galieva and Marinescu. They were told that if they finished in the top 3 in their country in aa qualifying they would move to aa finals. Then someone for entirely impermissible and selfish reasons stole their dream from them. This is when I get the sickest – when I see adults who are dealing with children forget what their first and foremost duty is, and that is the welfare of these children. It know it happens all the time and I am probably being pollyannaish even talkingabout this, but it still turns my stomach.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Totally turns my stomach too. Imagine what sort of person you have to be. Same with Marta – she does similar things too, in my opinion. I understand being under a pressure-packed scenario where you need to turn out medals/results, but rules should be rules. FIG/IOC blatantly changes rules as they see fit, and so do national gymnastics associations. It just plain sucks.

        This Olympics too – didn’t Romania pull a similar stunt? Only it backfired. One of the Romanian gals (Bullimar, I think) was taken out of EF in beam and replaced with Iordache, who fell. Didn’t work out. And Bullimar could have potentially medaled for sure. The sad thing is that at the end of the day the real loser is the gymnast, not the coaches or the people running the big bureaucratic groups.

      • Catherine Says:

        Reports state Bulimar had a stomach bug. She herself was quoted as saying she was thrilled that it would give Larisa a chance. Bulimar could not have medalled because even with the splatfest that was, her sv was too low.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Oh. Didn’t know about the stomach bug. I take it back then.

        My second comment though would be if Bullimar had to back out, they should have put in whoever qualified in ninth place. So give it to the girl that deserves it, not the country – probably would stop a lot of cheating and would have not allowed Gutsu to be permitted in the AA back in ’92.

      • Catherine Says:

        Iordache was next in line..Ross and Grishina both qualified but were bumped out, Bulimar took the last place then and Iordache was right behind her. I THINK that is the only reason they could do it, because she was the first reserve. It’s great that athletes cannot be swapped at will anymore. Interesting that the 3 who placed below Iordache couldn’t have competed either..Mustafina, Wieber and Izbasa! Number 15, Asuka Teramoto is next in line. Beam is a great example of the 2 per country introducing diversity…not..

  11. lol Says:

    Who says bullimer was really sick? I doubt she was. I can`t believe they did not use her on floor in prelims but instead used her in team finals. That was a stupid decision.

    • Catherine Says:

      The reports at the time said so. I doubt she would have been as pleasant about it if there was no reason for it. But dunno.

      • lol Says:

        Marinescu never said a word when it happened to her, neither did milo. She knew she had no chance at a medal.

      • Catherine Says:

        Yes but this is 16 years later, and Bulimar was interviewed about it. It may have been a lie, I don’t know. Just think it is less likely than back in the day.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Catherine I think you are wrong here. No one is happy when they are replaced. She will eventually come out and not be happy about it.

  12. nero Says:

    DRAMA!! Over at International Gymnast Forum they posted some stuff that the Russian girls have been saying on VK, which I guess is like Facebook? Here is a, really bad, google translate version

    Do not know why you Afanasyeva brought this topic …. but I think inappropriately condemn the decision of head coaches, personal trainers and athletes! Everyone thinks that this achievement Alexandrov …. where did you get? It is the work of specialists, personal trainers, the coaches and athletes! fact that the team was working on a series of Alexandrov with Mustafina …. you have not seen before in the fact that the team remains 6-7 less healthy! you also do not see, You see only what is beautiful show! Can I’m writing is not beautiful, you’ll forgive me! but Alexander acted in the team roughly pohamski, all for Alia, is not correct, I ask all of you do not know the whole situation ….. do not do anything stupid! prinyato.I this decision has been a general Solution!
    If you want to ditch gymnastics altogether …. then write Mudko! But know this will refute every athlete!
    And who is that? Do you know what was going on in the team? These are your fantasies, You can think what you want, but the decision is made by us!
    Make the final decision Rodionenko, but apart from them there is we, the coaches and the experts!
    Did I accuse Aliyu? Alia knew every last word of my seychasoshnego! Alia and now my best friend! But if she is my friend that does not mean that I close my eyes on!
    Ie you want to say …. that if my friend Alia, I must now support her in the wrong situation, and not the team? Well, what then I man? Maybe I better explain Ale do as best for all and not for her! 4 I prompted her to be good to her, but that no one stayed away! But now, with all the love to her, saying that when he came Grebenkin plan that will not Aliya and Sergeich a plan of the whole the team with a personal touch to every gymnast! And it is with such a plan has a chance to win in Rio!

    KOMOVA Guys do not have to climb own business! This is not your problem!
    Here you are accusing me of is that I wrote not so here it is not a public Private! What happened within the team you have no idea! What head coach can yell for no reason at all what I’m bad dining and decent expressed in my address just because he had to, so I will not write it to write a tale he had his anger break and I got first!
    Not if you believe that this is normal! Then fine no questions asked!

    Translated by timlanka
    Semenova: Aliya was the only one who was ready [at Olympics], the rest of team was training by Aliya’s plan. Aliya knows about it. Nobody blames her, because this happens on Alexandrov’s initiative! But it’s wrong, plan must be one for all in general and individual for each of us.
    When I was in hospital after Worlds-2010, I was there 2 weeks without any procedure, any MRI, nothing! And I gained weight, of course. After that my personal coach gave a call Valentina Rodionenko, V.R. gave a call head doctor of this hospital, and the next day all procedures that I needed were done. And after that I started to recover (not in Round Lake, in Vatutinki). I went to the Round Lake just before Russian Champ-2011 (in start of preparation to the World). My coach and I worked when team didn’t work (when team had some free time) just for did’t disturb others girls. Evgeni Anatolievich, Olga Vasilievna and Vasilii Alexandrovich helped me, when Alexandrov didn’t see that. Because Alexandrov didn’t allow them to work with me!
    When I asked Alexandrov: could I fall in [be with other girls], because it could help me to recover better, he said No! I felt hurt. He said me – ok, are you going to go to Olympics? and laugh loudly. It was very unpleasant for me, trust me. And the same situation was with Ksenia Afanasieva. She was late in R.Lake for 1/2 day after surgery. Alexandrov said her stand out. She prepared just like me, between the trains of team. After her recovery, she asked to fall in and he said no.

    And Ksenia referred to the opinion of coach in her home city school, that in USA Alexandrov “was nothing in the USA”, and didn’t have any gymnast in team USA. [i think in USA Alexandrov isn’t ‘nothing’]

    Then she said: Nazarova was coach for competition [went to arena with girls] many times, and Alexandrov decided to change Nazarova to Zhiganova. And she think that it’s wrong….

    And she asked: Did you see photos when Alexandrov with the whole team? Or did you see photos when Alexandrov with Aliya only?

    • nero Says:

      I feel bad for Aliya. Rodionenko basically saying she’s a bad gymnast, her coach being fired by your teammate’s coaches, possibly losing her personal coach and having shade thrown by her friends/teammates. Yikes

    • catherine Says:

      Komova has lost respect for speaking out on the gymternet it seems. I didn’t know that during the olympics she deleted her twitter equivalent saying ‘i cannot live and work while there is a page on the internet with my name. Farewell helpless vegetables’ which was…interesting. Afan and semy are coming in for criticism too.

    • Kazic Says:

      They say Aliya is fine with it, but that cannot possibly be the case. Whether it’s intentional or not, her name is being dragged through the mud too.

      • nero Says:

        Yeah. They said there were days when she didn’t want to practice so the other gymnasts couldn’t practice because they were on her training plan. Uh what?? Just because Aliya isn’t in the gym doesn’t mean they can’t train. Aliya was the only one prepared for London because the other girls were on HER plan and they were injured.

        Or because she’s an awesome competitor. She wasn’t training beam and floor for TF and then had to perform them because Girishina refused and Komova wasn’t great in prelims.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        I’m liking the Russians more and more. They definitely are not boring! I’ve seen less drama on soap operas. I wish we could find a good translation of all this.

        Komova calling gymternet groupies “vegetables” is hilarious. Now I know how really insult someone in Russia!

      • mim Says:

        nero, the way i interpreted it is that if musty didn’t want to train, alex didn’t let the others train either. so i gather they are saying it was all about musty, they weren’t allowed to train if she didn’t feel like it and then their training suffered.

        surely they could have trained with their own coaches though? alex was aiming to bring russia back to glory after 2008 was an abysmal failure for them, why on earth would he tell the other girls they were prohibited from training?

      • Kazic Says:

        Nero I agree. She delivered because she’s awesome. She was not 100% ready at the Olympics. She just pushed through.

        Mim I cannot believe that. No team could function on one person’s schedule. Nor would they stand for it.

        Terri Komova is starting to get on my nerves. If she wants to know why she isn’t AA champion, she should look in the mirror. I’m not a vegetable, but she sounds like a nut.

      • Dee Says:

        I find it so hard to believe that they all had to follow Musty’s plan…if that is true, they had to have known that it would hurt the entire team…unless the point is that alexandrov only cared about Mustafina. Still find it hard to believe that the silver medal team would have days of not training bc one gymnast doesn’t want to.

        I’m sort of creeped out about Komova, etc. responding to that stuff. Not sure why, haha, I guess because you wouldn’t think they wouldn’t care what the gymternet is saying.

      • mim Says:

        oh i believe komova cares what people think about her. she wants to be number 1 so bad, i feel like she needs the validation. but then she psychs herself out! she needs to take a leaf out of musty’s book on how to be mentally strong. it bugs me that she gives up when she makes mistakes and then has a cry about not winning (entitled much?) but to be fair, she’s only a teenager. but when you see other teen gymnasts who are mentally prepared i guess you hold them to a higher standard.

        i really hope they aren’t all turning on musty. it’s not her fault if they choked.

      • Catherine Says:

        I don’t believe for a second that if Mustafina didn’t train, nobody trained. Who are the helpless vegetables now?? Seriously, they all have their own coaches- what would be stopping them? Also, Alexandrov would have been working to build a whole team of greats not just ONE girl. Also yes, the fact that Afan and Komova’s coaches both voted to save Alexandrov speaks volumes about those girls comments…

      • Kazic Says:

        Mim I agree. That is one thing that annoys me about Komova too. While I don’t think crying is bad sportsmanship like some people do, I don’t know why she always seems so devastated to lose when she gives away tenths all over the place. AA was hers to lose. Gabby didn’t take it from her, Viktoria handed it to Gabby. I am terrified this is going to drive her into early retirement. It can’t be a healthy environment to train and live in.

        Cat this is my feeling. It’s simply not possible for the team to have functioned this way. Let’s not forget that they won the silver medal in TF. That may not mean anything to them, but to me it means they were pretty well prepared. Since it’s Afan and Komova and Semy saying all this, it seems to be sour grapes to me. Everyone that didn’t tank (except for Grishy who, if she’s smart, knows she has no right to say anything) isn’t saying a word.

      • Kazic Says:

        * the her I am afraid might retire is Musty not Komova.

    • mim Says:

      ah, i think it’s a little lost in translation for me!

      are the first lot of paragraphs afan talking or someone talking about afan and then komova herself telling everyone to mind their own business?

      have the girls all come out against aliya and alexandrov and are supporting his sacking/blaming him for their team not winning gold? or are they saying they dont blame aliya but that she was the only one benefiting from alex’s coaching?

      • nero Says:

        What’s weird is Afan’s and Komova’s coaches voted FOR Alexandrov. Here is what Rodionenko said you can read the whole thing here http://rewritingrussiangymnastics.blogspot.com/2012/09/valentina-rodionenko-on-alexandrovs.html

        Аlеxandrov? What for?

        – Because when Aliya was in a bad mood, he was the same. I mean that if Aliya didn’t train, the national team didn’t train. This explains the injuries and Komova’s insufficient preparation.

        – The gymnasts worked with their personal coach even if Alexandrov was not in the gym. What prevented them to continue training?

        – They all need corrections, advice from the head coach. Otherwise, what does he do? If we think that personal coaches can solve everything, the head coach is not necessary, he is redundant. For those four years when Alexandrov combined his work as personal coach and as head coach, there were only problems, and all suffered from the situation. Marina Nazarova, Ksenia Afanasieva’s coach, said when her gymnast became World Champion on floor: ‘At last I have been able to prove everything to him! He has been so harsh on this girl…’.

      • Catherine Says:

        What’s also weird is that Roza Galieva is defending Alexandrov! In fact, she appears to be attacking Afan for her comments. Very very interesting, waiting for a proper translation though. Looks like she knows how good he is, even though she was a huge victim.

      • Kazic Says:

        Mim they are trying to say that they don’t blame Aliya, they blame Alex. I say that, if you are claiming that one person’s mood dictated the training schedule for everyone, you are automatically blaming both parties.

        Nero I don’t really believe that Mustafina doesn’t train for days at a time or whatever they are saying. She couldn’t do what she did that way. but let’s assume for the sake of argument that this is indeed the case? If Alex is so bad and terrible, how is his absence from the gym causing harm. You can’t have it both ways. Either he’s a vital and great coach who you need to have around to maximize your training, in which case why fire him, just make him drop musty, or he sucks, in which case you shouldn’t care he’s not in the gym all the time.Valentina makes it sound like Afan’s coach hated him, yet she voted to save him. Isn’t that odd? In fact two of the girls complaining had coaches that apparently though Alex was worth saving. To me that says something.

        Cat you can think someone is a jerk, and yet still highly competent. She may not like him, but she may recognize his ability. I don’t think this is going to go as well as Team Russia thinks. I I think they will learn the hard way that Alex may Be a tool, but he knows his stuff. I am sure he’s not a Teddy Bear or anything, maybe he’s a bit rough with the girls. But seriously, look what the team has done under his leadership. Only in Russia would his tenure be considered a failure. -_-

      • Catherine Says:

        Yes but I would have expected Afan, Semy and co. to recognise his abaility and not badmouth him in public (it IS a private group, but obviously it was going to be broadcast and apparently members were being accepted on the spot) before Galieva of all people. Good for her.

      • Kazic Says:

        And that Cat is what makes me think this is a sour grapes thing. You would think they know talent when they see it, even if they don’t like him.

      • Catherine Says:

        It turns out Galieva was actually blasting Afan for saying that Boginskaya’s coach committed suicide because of her. (Or because of Alexandrov, it is not clear). Not sure if it was the anger with which she wrote but in the initial translation, that did not really show up except for Boginskaya’s name so thought she was attacking Afan over Alexandrov comments. So the jury is still out on what Galieva thinks of it.

        Mustafina has made a ‘no comment’ statement. Nice and classy, no mud slinging.

      • Kazic Says:

        Cat when\wher did Mustafina make this comment? Boy is she nicer than me. Afan’d have my boot up her ass by now.

      • Catherine Says:

        Yesterday I think. It was just translated as that, the original source is probably sportsgym.ru

      • Kazic Says:

        Cat found it on her facebook fan page.

    • JAS4 Says:

      I couldn’t tell if they were or were not putting Mustafina in the same boat as Alexandrov I think if those things are true Alexandrov is to blame I hope Mustafina gets a new coach and comes out better than before!

      • Catherine Says:

        Well he doesn’t have to be nice to be a great coach. I’m sure he’s okay most of the time, or he would not be able to get the results he does. Mustafina has already dealt with coach upheaval and after Alexandrov got her back to that level after ACL, think she should stick with him! Reports are that that is exactly what is going to happen.

  13. sainabou nyang Says:

    http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2012/09/shawn-johnsons-first-dance/

    Not bad but hate the dress.

    • nero Says:

      UGH, I’m in it for the long haul because I know she’ll be on for a while. I thought there were MUCH better dances than hers though.

      Also, I’m changing the channel if every single week there’s going to be a knee mention and short jokes.

      Did any gymnast past or present mention her on DWTS on twitter? I love how she plays up how close she is to them when in reality nobody gives a fuck

      • sainabou nyang Says:

        USAG reported that Sean and Derek made it to the next round. Even from Watching the clip I was bored. i definitely don’t plan on watching this show.

  14. sainabou nyang Says:

    If up like that show Hart of Dixie, Mckayla will be guest starring.
    http://chimgym.blogspot.com/2012/09/maroney-to-guest-star-in-hart-of-dixie.html?m=1
    How long would you say she needs to train the TTY in time for next year?

    • Case Says:

      This is the springboard McKayla to a Hollywood career that McKayla is seeking. Pains me to say it, but I don’t think we’ll ever see her TTY in competition. She’ll be off to bigger and better things.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I can’t help but think this is Carly Patterson all over again. Gymnasts just don’t seem to be able to “stick” in the spotlight – they have little staying power. I mean, already the Fierce Five fanfare is dwindling.

        Maroney is too young at this point to be a “sex pot” so her roles are basically limited to “high school/Glee” TV roles. I know she may think this is her only opportunity to enter Hollywood but for the most part Hollywood spits you out. I just don’t see her lasting long before she realizes she gave up the rest of her “gymnastics window” to pursue a dud of an acting career. We’ll see though. But like I say – I’m just not so sure she’s going to be the super star she so very badly wants to be.

    • catherine Says:

      The mustafina vault only took her a few months, and she only fell on it as a fluke.

    • Kazic Says:

      I dunno. I think McKayla has the stuff. If she takes off in hollywood though, we’ll never se her in the gym again ;_;

      • terrigymfan Says:

        I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a gymnast with the charisma McKayla has, so if anyone can make it in Hollywood she can although I agree with Sanity that it will be tough no matter what. IMO if she wants to become a serious actress she needs to go to drama school at NYU or UCLA or one of those other schools with the premier drama programs. She is only 16 though so going to college is at least 2 years off. I personally don’t see much of an issue with her doing a few bit parts on sitcoms over the next two years, because that shouldn’t interfere with her gymnastics training too much, especially since she lives in the LA area. What I hope she does is continue her gymnastics seriously for least the next two years and try to develop a killer TTY plus maybe become an aa’er. At that point she will be 18 and can evaluate where she is. She might decide to give it up at that point and enroll in one of the collegiate drama programs. Or she might decide to put that off for two more years and go for Rio. Of course I hope she winds up going for Rio. Starting drama school when you are 20 is not much of a delay while her window of opportunity is now when she is still young.

      • Kazic Says:

        Terri that plan sounds so rational and well thought out. So of course that’s the opposite of what’s going to happen -_- Lol, maybe Mack will surprise me, but I feel like if she doesn’t come up with a plan herself, it won’t happen. Her mom doesn’t strike me as a deep thinker.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        Kazic, are you saying Erin is just a dumb blonde? LOL. Did you hear about the dumb blonde who went into a library and said, “I’d like to order a hamburger please”? The librarian said, “Ma’am, this is a library.” The dumb blonde responded in a whisper, “Okay, I’d like to order a hamburger please,”

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Awww Terri YES the dumb blonde jokes! LOVE.

      • Kazic Says:

        Terri my comment had nothing to do with her being a blonde (especially since I am pretty sure hers comes out of a bottle) and everything to do with what she says in interviews. She doesn’t, shall we say, seem to have the market cornered on brains.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        Of course Kazik I didn’t really think you think all blondes are dumb. I wasn’t trying to offend all blondes either. Just dumb blondes.

      • Kazic Says:

        Lol what do I care? I’m Black, no chance of me being blonde lol. Here’s another blonde joke for you: why do blondes have to be buried in y-shaped caskets? Because when you put them on their backs their legs automatically spread. *rimshot*

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I have seen plenty of black people with blonde hair.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Ditto. The last season of So You Think You Can Dance featured a black dancer with bright blonde hair. Of course we all knew it was fake, but I’d say most blondes are “fake” ones anyways.

      • Kazic Says:

        Allow me to clarify: NATURAL blonde, not Beyonce blonde 😛

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        There are like 30 natural blonds on the planet.lol

      • Kazic Says:

        Lol there seem to be a lot of natural blondes in Russia.

  15. Biyatch Says:

    In announcing that tickets were going to be on sale this weekend for the American cup (http://usagym.org/pages/post.html?PostID=10834&prog=) USAG included this in the press release: “The field for the 2013 event, based on the all-around rankings at the 2012 Olympic Games, will be announced closer to the competition.”

    However, typically they squirt around this rule (Aly in 2010, Jordyn in 2011) but I find it interesting that they would include that line in the release at all.

    • sainabou nyang Says:

      Im still on the fence as to if I want to go. I’m hoping someone not American wins it just to shake things up, but I know that’s a long shot.

    • Exgymgurl Says:

      theyll put gabby in as a headliner and shell injury out last min

      • mim Says:

        and then hopefully they can put one of the new seniors in! 🙂

      • JAS4 Says:

        I think if there are two AAers from the Olympic team they will probably put them in first and have a new senior enter as an alternate and compete in exhibition like Gabby did this year but if they don’t get back to training soon it may be all new seniors instead expect for maybe Kyla

  16. sainabou nyang Says:

    I normally don’t watch NCAA gymnastics but for some reason I want to this season. Anyone who watches know if they televise it.? Maybe on ESPN?

  17. Exgymgurl Says:

    collegegymfans.com has all the meets, times and weblinks for watching online. Most of the meets you can watch online. All of the Alabama home meets, most Pac 10 / UCLA meets, most Utah meets. Georgia and Florida were hit or miss in terms of online viewability, but that site last year had links to the meets every friday.

    • Catherine Says:

      Ooo thanks, not sure if region-blocked but hopefully not.

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        I dont think most of them are “region blocked” because most of those links and televised meets are just campus TV, and theyd like as many people watching as possible. Alabama is the most entertaining, and UCLA is a close second because its just the universities.

  18. sanitynmotion Says:

    Couch gymnast just posted an article showing an interview with Musty’s dad. He claims that Alexander will not leave Musty and it might work out for the best between the two:

    “While it remains to be seen what will happen to the women’s group as a whole under the leadership of Grebyonkin, the master of Russian bars, many think, Fargat included, that this change could actually be of great benefit to Aliya, who will now be the source of Alexandrov’s near undivided attention. In the past he had “a double burden”, according to Mustafin, of being head coach and Aliya’s trainer.”

    • sainabou nyang Says:

      I hope so. When the dust clears we’ll see how this will effect Russia.

    • Kazic Says:

      I am just worried about how this will affect the team dynamic. Having the guy you mutinied against stil around can’t be comfortable.

  19. sainabou nyang Says:

    Another article on Alexandrov firing.

    http://rewritingrussiangymnastics.blogspot.com/2012/09/undesirable-alexandrov-lupita.html?m=1

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      I love how in gymnastics there’s a big stink about following the “rules” when it goes in their favor (the head people usually) but if a rule goes against their favor they just change it and act like it’s no big deal.

      • nero Says:

        They were complaining about how Maroney got silver on vault over Paseka with a fall, yet were ok with Mustafina’s bronze over Aly with a fall

        Rodionenko is too scared to just buck up and be the head coach because when she drives the team into ground she’ll have no one else to blame

        And she uses puberty as an excuse. Please. Jordyn and Aly were smacked in the face by the puberty fairy after Worlds and they kept training.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        The Russian way to do things is wait til you get back to Russia and blame the US for you losing. If they had a point I have no problem with it but 99.9% of the time they complain about stuff that is complete crazy.

        I like the Russian gymnasts for their gymnastics (some anyway) but as a whole I find overall they complain a lot about the wrong things.

      • Kazic Says:

        Lol. I know, that’s one thing that annoys me about most of the Russians in interviews. They see other people’s mistakes but not their own. Aliya’s the exception to that. Generally if she screws up, she will say it. But I even heard her oncw say America was favored in scoring. I was like, were we watcing the same competition? You guys were gifted Silver in TF. If I was team romania, I’d be looking fo’ yo’ asses :p Ponor and Izbasa look like they could do some damage lolol.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I have to say Mustafina’s bronze for a FALL on beam over Aly’s hand on beam mistake was a travesty. They should have added up the execution scores and whoever got the highest sum should have won the medal (in a tie breaker). If Aly loses on that still then fine, I’ll take it. It just still amazes me that a foot out of bounds used to take you out of medal contention – now you can fall and still make podium.

        I think a fall on vault should not constitute a medal. I said it with Cheng Fei, I’ll say it with McKayla.

        This Rodionenko lady sounds kind of like Russia’s version of Steve Penny. Is that what she is? Maybe Penny should have taken notes and fired Marta for “only” getting team silver two Olympics in a row. Tee hee.

        So basically the scoring system sucks. The biased judges and political/manipulative committees running the programs suck. The whole sport is beginning to suck and yet I’ll still watch it. lol.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        We have to take some of the blame for this because we support it.

        When all that stuff about Chellsie and the petition came out I said I would never attend another USA-gymnastics event like Nationals or the American cup but here we are , a few months later and I am thinking of going to both.

        If I spend money to support this than I should stop complaining about it.

        Then again, In my defense I was not going to go to either of these events until Chellsie sold out herself and why should I support her when she doesn’t care?

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I don’t go to those (not to “not” support USAG) but mostly because I couldn’t afford non-nosebleed tickets and because I get a better view from my television set/YouTube videos…

        But I don’t blame you for thinking about it. You ARE a gymnastics fan, whether you like it or not. 🙂

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        lol, You are right.

        I don’t go to a lot of meets because I refuse to sit in nose bleed seats. I will stay home and save the money. That is why I only go to certain events and always get great seats

        We don’t get a lot of competitions around here and I regret not going to Philly in 08.

        I guess I am still bitter my mother would not drive me to Worchester in 1994 to see the duel meet vs Romania. At the time I didn’t even think of traveling by bus. I am still mad I missed a young Simona Amanar and even Gina and Milo.

      • JAS4 Says:

        You could always go to the meets to protest Marta and USAG but them Marta would probably have you banned for life lol

      • Kazic Says:

        Sanity I agree about Musty, as much as I love her. Or at least, give both athletes a bronze.

      • Catherine Says:

        If they added up execution scores, Aly would still have lost. I don’t really think Musty won bronze with a fall- because she tied for it with a fall, and won with the sum total of her 3 highest scores which did not include beam. I watched 1996 AA the other day and was just stunned to realise the DEPTH of that field. Of course, they had 3 per country then but even so. This AA field was supposed to be much stronger than it was. Iordache, pretty much out. Jinnan, gone. Wieber, out. The girls behind Raisman- Izbasa, Linlin, Qiushuang are WAY behind as top all-arounders. They just..aren’t top all-arounders. Therefore I don’t think Mustafina’s win is anything near as bad as it would be in a much deeper field- but it would be impossible then anyway.

        Aly shot her own chances down by making a mistake on beam. She knew and everyone knew that her bars are so weak that even in a weak field she wouldn’t have a hope with a mistake like that on another event. I don’t think it’s a travesty- as in, Mustafina’s win. I think it’s a sign of a really weak field. I also hate tiebreakers anyway..

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Catherine you make a good point. Knowing about the execution scores, I’m OK with Musty beating Raisman now. I love Musty anyways, and wished from day 1 she would have won this whole thing (that wish got pushed back when she got injured). In any event, I guess you can argue her bars were so stellar she could out-do Aly’s vault and floor.

        Thinking about it, Aly is so weak in that one event (bars) and that weakness, combined with the downgrade in the amanar vault, I don’t know if I would bother making a comeback if I were Aly unless I could improve my bars form TREMENDOUSLY, which likely won’t be able to happen. She did as well as she could considering, but her bars are like her Achilles heel.

      • Biyatch Says:

        Aliya would have still won based on highest execution but if you look at the actual E scores from the individual judges some judges gave Aly and Aliya the same E score.

      • Catherine Says:

        Well a lot of the judges were on crack. One judge scored Gabby’s TF vault higher than McKayla’s. One gave Aly an 8.8 e-score on BARS. One gave Sui Lu’s beam 5 or 6 tenths lower than what the rest were giving it. One judge scored Ponor’s EF floor 7 tenths lower than what she scored Musty and Aly. Therefore it’s impossible to judge off one or two scores, especially as the highest and lowest are scrapped. Only that some of the judges seem to have been drunk.

        The reference judges, who are higher qualified than the rest gave Komova the AA win by 3 tenths.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        Sanity I have to disagree with you a little that a fall on vault should automatically disqualify someone from a medal. It really depends on what everybody else is doing. My recollection of vault finals is everyone else except the gold medal winner looked pretty shaky. Plus I always thought McKayla was not given a big enough lead after her first vault. I don’t think she should have won gold but I think silver was right. In the old days you got to do two vaults and only the highest one counted. I wish we would go back to that.

  20. Biyatch Says:

    And doesn’t the new code favor Aly on floor? Like her D would get a big boost.

    • Catherine Says:

      Not as much as was previously thought. They have scrapped the need for a combination tumbling pass, and the bonus for Aly’s first pass will be pretty much what she has now.

  21. sainabou nyang Says:

    Some more news from Sept camp including new upgrades from Texas Dreams.
    Im curious as to why Marta decided to send Kennedy and Brenna to Mexico.

    http://www.thecouchgymnast.com/?p=7287

  22. gymtruthteller Says:

    The US never sends the good gymnasts to these meets.

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