Well you know how hard you have to train to stay in gynnastics shape. All of the gymnasts have had a few weeks off. It’s shocking how quickly the body regresses from that level of fitness. None of them have been in the gym much. They were doing interviews, relaxing, seeing their families, stuff like that.
Even Aliya and Vika, if you compare recent photos to London, you can see a difference. They’ll get back into shape. Nabs is the Russian MM (not in vault but personality) and I adore her for it. Not to mention, that is one gymnast that always looks ready to throw down. I dig her.
Saina then Nabs is yo’ girl. I have a project for you: look up some pics of her, any oics, and tell me she doesn’t look ready to scrap.
There was one time I was on a message board with some Russians and we were discussing something that had happened between Vika and nabs in a meet. I didn’t even have to start in before someone was like, “I wish Vika would, Tanya would have beat the shit out of her.” When it comes to nabs, people know what’s up. That’s probably why she and Aliya get on so well. If I had to pick a gymnast to have my back, it’d probably be Nabs. Just sayin’
Oh wait case. I just got that you meant as back-up not on the Olympic team. I honestly don’t know. Who would I take? Hmmm. Nabs or Tartar Badass-ski. I think it’s a toss up for me too. I might lean towards Nabs though. I don’t think Aliya would fight, she’d just intimidate. Nabs would cut a bitch. You can just tell.
Saina, that’s one of her looks. To me though, she always looks ready for the shit to get real. There’s a pic of her and Musty just hanging out together a few years ago. Even in that she’s got this look like, “say something. “When I find her highly entertaining.
Gtt you are correct in terms of raw ability (though like you said Demy wasn’t really ready for primetime either ) but I have another reason I’d take her. Nabs is what I like to call, the “yay” of that team. She’s the personality. You never leave your yay at home lol. Maroney’s ours. People were all like, “why are we taking a one event gymnast, no matter how good she is?” I always said 3 things: 1. Shut up 2. She may be a 1good trick pony, but have you seen her trick? 3. Marta might be Satan, but she’s not dumb. You never leave your yay at home. Just my opinion lol.
That couldn’t have been said any better. I thought McKayla deserved the perfect 10.0 at team finals (could have been a “Kerri Strug” moment) but other than that when she said something to the effect of “I’m only here to do vault anyways” when people were asking about her toe that sealed the deal that Marta wasn’t even going to consider using her on another event from day one. Call me old school but if you’re going to be on the Olympic gymnastics team I really think you should be world-class in more than just one event. It’s not Olympic vaulting; it’s Olympic gymnastics. I always hated the idea of a specialist so going back to the “old school” way of having everyone compete on every apparatus would be a great thing for the sport in my book. It would prevent deserving AA kids from being left at home and also prevent out of shape former gymnasts from deciding at the last minute to come back and train two events (Nastia).
GTT I agree with you on the MM’s floor she’s one of I think 3 people that can land a 3.5 there, but she was never really going to be used on floor IMO despite what Marta told people. Mckayla slipped yo and said it herself in London during an interview.
Case I am glad it made sense to you. Once upon à time I played a sport, and I wasn’t too shaby. One of my life regrets is quitting to focus on education. Sports were a pastime in my house, nothing more, and I was pressured to drop it once it was clear I was going to a good college. Student Athlete was a dirty word lol. To put it more eloquently than I did before: there are things that make up a team that are intangible. They should never be discounted just because you can’t quantify them.
Oh and my last comment was to GTT about not saying it any better…sorry to the folks that think Maroney is a “yay” – I’m sure she’s a friend to these gals and all, but gymnastics is not a sport where a “yay” should have definite team placement.
I get you Sanity. Like I said, just my opinion. I wasn’t saying you should take someone who sucks just because they are fun. My point with nabs was that there are a few people she could have replaced, and her value should not be weighed simply in skills.
They put Grishina on the team just because of skills and ignored her overall readiness. How’d that work out for them?
Haha I thought you were talking about Maroney, not Nabs. Yeah the Russian story is completely different. Obviously there was a mistake in taking Grishina despite her skills – I actually would have taken Demi over Grishina knowing that Grishina was not training with everyone else and came with the threat of being a “lose cannon.” I heard Nabs was out of shape, but hey – in that instance, she could have been taken too. Russia would have done better with four and one “yay” so I get you here. Grishina almost took morale down overall – can’t imagine how it would have been a positive thing for the team to back out of an apparatus and have someone else (someone still trying to get into full form after injury) take over your spot.
Sanity I was using MM to illustrate my point. I definitely supported putting her on the team.
But yeah, my point was about Nabs. That team needed some spark. Plus Demy has been on my ish list ever since she snubbed Musty at Euros this year. Also not a Beefarm fan. I’m sure she’s fine as a person, but she’s just not my cup o tea.
Excellent point about Grishina almost having a negative effect on morale. To me Aliya Mustafina’s knee never looks stable on beam anymore. Her routine certainly wasn’t ready for primetime in any case. It’s Aliya, so of course she stepped up and did her best, but you know that had to strain team dynamics. And even then Musty stayed classy in interviews. She didn’t lie for Grishy, but she said she understood that she was young.
Oooh I don’t know the story about Demi snubbing Musty…what happened? NOBODY snubs Musty. I thought Demi was always the one that was snubbed, and an underdog – so kind of liked her for that. It makes me not like her if she snubbed Mustafina. That girl basically was the reason the Russians won worlds in 2010.
And I’m sorry, but who’s Beefarm? Is that a nickname? LOL.
I assume you know the story of what happened to Aliya at Euros this year. It was her first major meet since the ACL tear and it did not go well. At all. She failed to qualify for any EFs. People were saying she was basically like an assistant coach on the team. It was that bad. So there’s this moment when Demy’s coming off bars and she didn’t do quite as well as she would have liked. Musty tries to pat her or something and she completely ignores her. Not in a, “I’m mad at myself ” kind of way, but a, “you aren’t really important anymore” type thing. I wasn’t the only one who noticed. Also the Russian press slaughtered Aliya after that, said she was over. She later admitted she wasn’t really ready for the meet. I think the brought her out too early. It makes what she did at the Olympics even more Herculean IMO, because she got herself into competition shape really between Euros and the Olympics. That’s just a few months.
Beefarm is a nickname for Maria Paseka. It comes from google translate. If you ever run as Russian article with her name in it through, it will call her Maria Beefarm. On the intarwebz the name has stuck.
Thanks Kazic. I didn’t know the story of Demi/Musty. I’m wondering if Demi is now kissing Musty’s a$$ but…who knows. I remember when Demi herself was treated like crap by someone else on the Russian team so you would think she would apply that “treat others as you would want to be treated” since she got the snub…oh well.
Haha, thanks for explaining the Beefarm thing I was totally not getting it.
Yeah and it’s not as if they had loads of great beams on standby, they had to use the girl they were trying to save because she had to do so much and who also hadn’t got her beam back up to that level yet..it definitely makes it worse.
Goes to show you what kind of coach her mother is. Imagine if any of any if the girls told Marta they weren’t doing the BB or UB at a major int’l event? Grishna I think has the talent but she needs a coach that will toughen her up and stop coddling her. To train separate from the other girls is ridiculous.
Musty managing to rehab herself after the severity of her injury in so short a time is a miracle. It takes an iron will few people possess. AA gymnast or not, GTT some people never recover from an ACL tar (bross) and she tore her MCL too. That girl is a genuine certified BAMF. No questions asked. Her twisting form has always had issues.
Grishy getting special treatment doesn’t gelp anyone. It doesn’t help her, because she heads into the biggest meet of her life unprepared, and it doesn’t help her team, to see her be treated differently. It can create a rift. I can’t believe the Russians were willing to coddle her. They must have been desperate for a medal. And she’s 16a not 5. It’s the Olympics girl, not the Y. You better put on your big girl pants and get on that beam. -_-
Case I agree totally. If I was Alexandrov, mommy-dearest would have gotten her ass chewed after that debacle. Either she proves she’s serious and trains the same as everyone else, or she can take her ass home.
Im just imagining someone telling Marta F**k you I ain’t getting on those uneven bars and throwing a temper tantrum. Marta cool as a cucumber would say ok take her freshly manicured hands, wrap them around your neck, lean in close and say……..
I think Marta would forget where she was and have a flashback to Romania circa 1960 and get the face slapping.
I have to find it but the couch gymnast had the funniest article about Marta and her infamous strangulation hold.
I’ll never forget the look on kylas face at pac rim 2010 when marta came up to her after her routine with this claws out and ready. Kyla loomed terrifed lol.
I would say yay helps. Think about it. What I am essentially talking about is a team motivator. For Team Russia can you think of a motivator at the Olympics? They have consoled each other, but that’s not the same thing. Mustafina for example offered comfort when people made mistakes, but that’s not the same as motivating tbem. She’s good at motivating herself, but she’s so self contained to the point that it doesn’t spread to anyone else. That’s why IMO she’s not team captain material. #2 sure. Lead? Not really, though she’ll probably be captain in Rio. Maybe she’ll have grown by then. She surprised me with what she learned between 2010the and London.
Now think of team USA. Can you think of any “yays?” I can think of two. Make of that what you will lol.
Hmm, team USA ASac and Li? But thinking about the Chinese team, they were totally missing a yay like Cheng Fei. All I really remember is how afraid Deng looked of Sui during beam finals after she posted the higher score.
mim yep. I would say we have a tag team yay of MM and Aly. Mac’s a champion cheerleader (I heard her even when she was in the stands) but Aly was the steadying/calming factor. There’s this one great pic before Gabby’s beam routine at TF where you van see she’s nervous and Aly has her by the shoulders looking straight into her eyes. Looked like she was telling her to take a breath.
Like I said, skill is important, but to me so is the mental game. IMO that’s most of Russia’s problem right now. Not all, but I think it’s the root of their inconsistency. There’s too much pressure on them. Not everyone can be a fabulous awesome machine like Aliya, who seems to thrive in pressure filled situations. She just has the personality for it. Even Afan, who is the team veteran, cracked in TF. Yes they had injuries, but so did Aliya. Some people thrive on adversity, some don’t. The ones who fo are rare.
Same for me. She totally won me over. She’s not the same person she was in 2010. Before she was just a prodigy, now she’s a warrior. Like Khorkina, she will be remembered long after her retirement, no matter what she decides to do afterwards.
I liked Musty the moment I saw her in 2010. Lots of fire in those eyes and she was a true AA gymnast. I love her dance too. I am glad she’s Russian and not American and won’t get taken away from gymnastics by the fame whore train 🙂
Sanity I respected her talent in 2010. That she was a star was never a question. Did she work hard to get where she was? Of course, they all do. But she had so much natural talent that there was no real challenge to her rise.
Compare that to her career after the 2011 Euros. She had to fight for everything she got. She said so in interviews. Sometimes she wondered if she could ever get back to where she was. That kind of struggle changes you. She was like a different person at the Olympics. Aware of her mortality but still determined to become immortal. She totes did it too. They’ll remember her forever in Russia.
Yeah I agree – wasn’t disagreeing with you, just saying I was kind of always rooting for her since I saw her. The first time I knew she existed was Worlds 2010 (wasn’t as obsessed with gymnastics then as I am now hahahaha) and I was taken away with how expressive and dynamic and confident she was. She then had to deal with that horrible injury AND a growth spurt – that’s huge. Komova was dealing with injuries too and a growth spurt, but Musty handled her comeback and ordeals SO much better. I look forward to her ruling these next four years…and Kyla. LOL.
Vika crumbled, Musty steamrolled lol. If you ever have the extreme misfortune to get in Aliya Mustafina’s way, real shit will go down. I’m definitely a fan now. It’ll be interesting to see how she does next quad against all the upcoming seniors.
She was the young blood coming in, now she’s the seasoned veteran that has to defend her crown. If she can get back to 2010 form and build upon it, she’ll be World Champion again sometime in the next four years. I think Kyla will be a threat too. Can’t wait for things to start up again.
here’s an interview with vika and khorky if anyone is interested!
all i can make out is that khorky mentions carly patterson (haha) and the interviewer says something she’s one of the greats too or something? i think khorky is explaining the feelings of not winning gold and kind of explaining why vika was crying for winning silver and gives her advice, says to never show your emotions during competition and to focus only the gymnastics.
another helpful russian youtuber says that paseka said judges overestimate/overscore gabby. haha.
too-short fringes must be really in style in russia right now.
Another honest interview from Alexandrov. I love this guy. He doesn’t hold back and is very frank. Russia better not fuck it up and try to push this guy out. I vote to get rid of Marta and hire him as our team coordinator.
I like his comments about US coaches not investing in good choreographers.