Live Blogging. Womens Olympic Trials, day 2.


Gabby Douglas, Jordyn Weiber, Mckayla Maroney, Kyla Ross and Aly Raisman.

They are all crying.

Now we need ALTERNATES:

Anna Li, Price and Finnegan, No Alicia. Wow


OMG, The WHY????:)



Price beat Kyla by one tenth in the AA. We have our alternate as far as I am concerned. I would name Alicia as number 2 alternate. That means vault and beam are covered. We have one bar girl in Price and one floor girl in Price. What do we need more a bars girl or a floor worker?

WE DON’T NEED A COMMITTEE NBC. The team is Jordyn, Gabby, Kyla, Aly and Mckayla. bank on it.

Rotation 4

Becca doesn’t even look upset. Hey an idea NBC, Show us Vega on floor instead of the girls sitting and standing around.

OMG, This kid is so I can’t wait for the real judges to get her in London because bobble that much on beam and you are not getting a 14.800.

This kid is not endearing, I am sorry. She is Nastia phony and Aly is crying. Nastia getting TV

okay so she gets a 1 tenth and beats Jordyn and the fucking fix is pissing me off. Jordyn is so I hope this motivates her to kick ass in London

Gabby on floor: She stuck first pass, leaped out of second for bonus. Sloppy last pass but the fix was in from start. Errors at teh end Tim, Here is for the fix, Give her a

Jordyn on vault: Short and off to the side. Tim liked it but Jordyn looks very

Kyla nailed first two passes, Lets see her third. No upgrade but stuck thirds pass, Her best floor routine of the season but still no upgrade unless I missed something.


Mckayla on vault: Small step on her Amanar but better then the shit Gabby did. She does not look happy.

I miss Sarah. She would so love the Nastia/daddy arms around her BS in the background.LMAO

Aly on vault: Not great but she stayed up. A little lock kneed. I am surprised she got that around.

Alicia on vault: Hit first vault, a little messy on her landings but lets see if the dumbass crowd gives her a standing Ovation for her last routine???

Nope, stupid crowd sits ion their ass. Typical.

” I didn’t land on my face” lol says Alicia.

Rotation 3

Who needs Bross on beam because we can listen to FUCKING NASTIA BE A PHONY BITCH. You stayed in it liar because Marta said you were still in the running, I can totally see them naming her as an alternate and her acting surprised.


a 14.850 FOR GABBY. On what FUCKING planet do we live?

I think Finnegan must have falln but NBC ignored her so we will never know.

Bross got a 14.900 on beam and they did not show it. WHAT A RIP OFF. She deserves her swan song too stupid NBC.

Gab by on beam: Missed her connection, wobble, another wobble on the full. Another wobble on the jump combination. Another wobble on punch front, Lots of bobbles in that routine and missed connections. VERY interested in seeing what she gets.

the new Nastia is next. Jordyn got a Okay.

Kyla is going to be behind Price tonight overall.

JORDYN / WEIBER Chants .lol from the crowd. Small step on first pas, leaped out of second. Look on her face says it all. She knows the fix is in. Great routine by Jordyn.

Kyla, on beam. Nailed first connection, missed second. So far, so good. Beautiful leaps, Punch front, stuck, amazing Sheep, Small step on dismount. That was great minus the one connection. 15.050 for Kyla

Finnegan is next on beam. They skipped her.

Mckayla on floor, Small step on 3.5 and second pass but good enough. OOB Both feet, short on double pike. Will it be good enough? The score will tell us all.

Only a 14.500. I still say she picks her because she will nail that Amanar but she got 5 tenths for both feet OOB. Price only beat her on floor by 4.50 tenths and they both do Amanar to end competition.

Nastia on beam: Can’t wait to see the gift she gets if she hits. She hit but it was a bit messy on her landings and the e4Year crowd loves it, she hugs daddy and hopefully, GOES AWAY🙂

Not too bad of a score. 14.950

Aly on floor: Small step back on first pass. Nailed the double front piked, Hit the messy triple. Really flew off her jump but it was wishy

Price on floor. Kid can tumble. She needs dance lessons. The Double tuck needs to go, she is too talented for a 1990 move. I think we have our alternate or maybe even a team member.

Rotation 2

They already set this up for Gabby. She is 1.350 ahead of Jordyn. Even if she falls they will give it to her. I really am done with this sport. Marta does what Marta wants.

Look people, everyone gets back up when they fall. You do realize that right? Marta said she would still be in the mix even though she fell and messed up every other routine. So lame.

Gabby on bars. Everyone else is done. She waits. Kyla had to wait so do you spoiled

Her parents are not sitting together. Interesting. Did they get a second divorce. She was short on a few handstands but overall like she always does it.

A 15.900 for Gabby. 9.400 execution. Okay Marta and as much as I love Kyla, she isn’t reaching that score either but the fix is in for Gabby unless she falls and maybe even then. I hope Jordyn realizes it.

COME ON BECCA: She’s off. Damn it. The one time I root for you Becca and she is off again. The crowd cheers, typical E4Year and she is off for a third time. Wow, I want a Woga less team but fallling 3 times and she looks done. I don’t think she is crying she just looks so mad at herself. When was she dependable Tim?

Kyla nailed bars. That same form issue on the Van Luewen but the rest including handstands was hit, hit, hit. Lets see what she gets?

15.650, wow. Gabby is getting a 16 tonight if she doesn’t fall. Marta

and Nastia runs to the She has ignored Kyla all meet, both days unless you count the fake hug at the beginning of the broadcast.

Finnegan hit bars for a 14.750 and Kyla is next, waiting ten minutes for NBC so Marta can nerve her.

Alicia looks like she is in tears. She got a 15.150

Aly hit beam- I was too pissed to pay attention to the connections. Nastia got a 13.950 with a fall. JOKE.

Queen Nastia: OMG, Marta said if she hits she is in the mix. Then she fell so is she still in the mix Marta. I HATE THAT WOMEN. Crowd is being very gracious and Nastia gets what she wants, atte
ntion. Lame ass every 4 years fans.
Sac looks nervous and now we see her fall from 4 years ago. NO NEED NBC.

Alicia: Wobble on split leap. Nice front tuck, so far rest stuck. Stuck piked front. She did not connect the last connection but I don’t think she was trying to. Stuck dismount.

Nice cover there Mckayla:) It’s the UB, who cares???

Anna hit her bars. It looked pretty good , same iffy form and I hate that Khorkina but she hit so that was good.

Jordyn did not fall and she missed two connections. She stayed on but the fix has just been helped unless Gabby falls. She did have a bobble. A pretty big one.

Price on beam, hit so far but her form is iffy. Hit connection but I think the leap was short. 1992 pass. Great job for her. Really great but not in the 15’s if judges are being fair.


Sanity I guess we will know in a few if Kyla is still on this team because Price got a 15.300 on bars. That is 6 tenths better then night one. If Kyla’s score stays the same or goes down then I think she is out. IMO.

Maybe we will get to see Anna Li tonight?


Mckayla got a 13.700 on bars, twice according to my live

Elizabeth Price got a 15.300 on bars. Good for her.

Now we wait for swimming. They said swimming after the break.


Kyla on vault: DTY, Damn it. Sorry I disagree. She should have done the Amanar and she stepped.

Time for Aly on bars- Hit set for Aly, small step. Oh you people are watching You saw.

Jordyn hit bars. Small pause on both Weiler kips but small step on landing. Same score as night one for Jordyn. The fix is in for Gabby I just have to deal with it until the real judges get her.

Aww, baby gymnasts.

Gabby on vault: A little short but she stood it up. With a step.

A 16 with a step. REALLY MARTA?? Mckayla should get a 16.500

NBC Annoys me before they even start.

LIVE, in 2 minutes


Outside of US people. Try this link

#HotpinkNation is not evident tonight. ABOUT TIME. Thanks Jas for the link.

The boy has company down stairs and he is kind of mad at me for being upstairs blogging with you people so please appreciate my mean, bitter spirit tonight. I told the boy look, EVERY FOUR YEARS you have to put up with this, deal and he said fine. Plus the upstairs is kind of far away from the internet box so I am not sure how well this is going to work but I will try.

Here are some quick hits from training. Nastia is plenty pissed and I expect her to hit her UB routine tonight. I don’t want that but I expect it.

According to above there will be no 1-2-3 alternates tonight. “Replacement” athletes will be named and they will fill in with who they need. Expect Nastia to be named if she hits her UB routine even once. Could Marta have set this up any better for Nastia to be added in?

More couch gymnast. I love how one person says Nastia was perfect and the other says she was a mess. Are these people watching the same warm up?

New opinions will be up at the top when the competition starts.

According to the live links Mckayla is doing bars You go girl:)

353 Responses to “Live Blogging. Womens Olympic Trials, day 2.”

  1. JAS4 Says:

    My wifi is whacky too I don’t have hardly any wifi signal on my phone in the kitchen but I can go outside on the back porch and have good signal lol makes no sense lol

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      I also get better wifi outside. Makes no sense but I

      • JAS4 Says:

        Yeah the rest of the house has ok wifi signal too which is good cause I sure wouldn’t want to go outside its been like 105-110 the past three days I was so glad it rained some this afternoon to cool things off lol even with the air going full blast and fans it was still like 80 in the house the past few days lol

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        It’s hot here too but not 100.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Yeah I’m glad it’s in the 80s now since it rained because it’s much cooler in my house now lol

    • The GYM JUICE Says:

      Is anyone else disturbed that someone can come in 4th AA like Price just did, and still not make the team? And for once this injustice doesn’t even have anything to do with Martha; it’s the ridiculous new Olympic competition format; 3 up 3 count. Back in 1996 I remember it was 5 up, and you had to at least be a decent all arounder to make the team. Now it’s almost better to specialize. It just kills me that someone like Maroney, who is admittedly great on vault, can do shit on the other events and make the team over a fantastic all arounder like Price. What has happened to gymnastics??

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Not when you look at the individual events. Price is only way better on vault and semi better on floor (Price has no prresentation) thanks to Kyla not upgrading and Kyla is way better on bars and beam.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        If it was AA she would have been on the team easily. The end of AA has killed the team

      • The GYM JUICE Says:

        Another thing wrong with gymnastics; it is starting to look almost like men’s. A bunch of crazy tumbles in a row on floor with barely any dance, weiler kips on bars, and beam has just gotten more boring with all the focus on the connections. How come they never do daring skills like when Moceanu and Miller did three layouts in a row? One last thought: Under this code, there will never be another repeat Olympian in women’s gymnastics.

      • The GYM JUICE Says:

        I think Chow and Dawes were the last repeat Olympians we will ever see for USA.

      • Catherine Says:

        USA is a bit different as the depth is so massive, that is the issue as well as the push for difficulty. But this Olympics will see more returning than most- Ponor, Isbaza, Tweddle, Chuso, Mitchell, possibly Cairns, Downie, Kexin, Yuyuan and Afan and plenty of individuals. It is so surprising because of the higher difficulty. But hey, if any of the US team come back for 2016 and kick ass while maximising potential team scores, then they will be on it.

  2. sanitynmotion Says:

    Go kyla!

  3. JAS4 Says:

    And so it begins

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Hopefully that was a goodbye hug.

      I don’t understand why people are surprised she is still in this. She is getting magazine articles out of this and her face seen on TV. The only bad publicity is no publicity.

  4. Jazzy31 Says:

    Hey does anyone know if Vanessa Atler still has a blog? I found it a few months ago and it was interesting; but I just looked for it and it seems to be gone.

    • Dee Says:

      Where is it? I’d like to even read the back entries! That would be nice if she is still blogging…would like to see her perspective on all this.

    • Aerial Says:

      She doesn’t update it anymore. She’s in San Jose this week though!

  5. sanitynmotion Says:

    Does anyone have a link that is NOT nbc? My stupid cable company sucks…

  6. sanitynmotion Says:

    WTF Bob Costas…go to gymnastics already!

  7. Jazzy31 Says:

    So I was watching the swimming Oly trials, and it seems like there are tons of diff swimming events and whoever qualifies in each one gets to go to London. Why can’t they do that for gymnastics? Have nationals and oly trials, add the scores, and whoever the top 3 are on each event is on the team. So every country could take up tp 12 gymnasts.

    That would eliminate the need to “choose” a team – it would just be based on scores. I kinda think it’s a brilliant idea! Why are we limited to just 5 gymnasts in a 4 event sport?

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      The men is even worse. 6 events and 5 guys.

      • Gymglitterxx Says:

        How many swimmers get to qualify? It seems so unfair, way more swimmers than gymnasts. In fact the gymnastics team the smallest team of all? SO UNFAIR! GYMNASTICS IS THE MOST POPULAR OLYMPIC SPORTS! wtf?

  8. sanitynmotion Says:

    Swimming makes sense. Gymnastics doesn’t. Swimming is based on fairness and times. Gymnastics…is more biased. And based on what Marta wants.

    YES Gabby rocked her vault. I think that score was a bit high Looked the same as night 1.

  9. sanitynmotion Says:

    I love how they have to explain the scoring system with green/red/yellow…”idiot proof”

  10. Gymsurfer Says:

    What was Marta reacting to when the camera showed her going “oh!” and shaking her head??

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      I was typing but I am sure she told her to do the DTY. With Price’s score I hope she is not eeking Ross out.

      • Kel Says:

        I don’t think so. Price can’t bring Kyla’s scores on bars and beam. If Price eek’s anybody out, it would be Maroney and that probably isn’t going to happen.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      Hopefully McKayla didn’t fall off beam/bars again. Kinda sad how Ross had to downgrade her vault.

  11. JAS4 Says:

    I was hoping Kyla would go for the Amanar which I’m sure didn’t make Marta happy but she still scored over a 15 with a DTY

  12. Kel Says:

    I think it’s fine Kyla did that vault…She didn’t want to leave Marta with the impression of her falling on her ass again. Plus…she’s not going to be used on vault in team finals anyhow. She just needs to stick bars and beam. Like the girls leos so much more tonight! If Nastia makes the team as an alternate there will be outrage!!!

  13. Gymsurfer Says:

    Might Anna Li be picked? That was phenomenal.

    • Kel Says:

      I would put her on as an alternate…definitely!

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      I say alternate. One event

    • Aerial Says:

      I love how they finally showed her bars routine, realizing she might make the team in some capacity and yet would never have been shown. I can’t imagine someone winning bars, the team’s weakest event, both nights and not factoring in somehow, despite her previous record of imploding.

  14. Kel Says:

    Elizabeth Price looks damn good tonight. Hmmmm….wonder what will happen now?

  15. Gymsurfer Says:

    Love love love Price. Do youthink she’ll get a spot?

    • Kel Says:

      I thought maybe but that score on beam was super low. Hard to say…will have to see what Maroney does on floor and vault.

  16. Exgymgurl Says:

    Worth it to see Nastia screw up and fall on her release….

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Did you hear that Tim said if Nastia hit she was still in the mix? Now we know why she contnued and I will be writing a blog about that. BELIEVE ME

    • Gymsurfer Says:

      Ok she’s got to be a goner NOW right? Right??

      • Kel Says:

        Um…yeah. Fall on your face, fall on your ass….I think your done. I think she would have been an alternate if she hit, but Marta can’t justify taking her over Anna Li or even Rebeca Bross who actually do hit their routines.

    • oh hai! Says:

      As soon as Nastia smacked the mat falling from bars my Olympic Trials party crew and myself were soooo happy!!!! No Olympics for her! Goodbye Nastia and Good Riddance!!

  17. Kel Says:

    Wow! That was really scary for Nastia. Damn!

  18. Gigi Says:

    Regardless of my feelings for Nastia trying to make the team, that had to hurt. I don’t want to see anyone get injured. But I told myself and my mother that this was going to happen. Either now or at the Olympics. She’s lucky she didn’t break something. Geez!!!

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      That is how they learn to fall, flat.

      • Gigi Says:

        True. I know I sound like a broken record, but if you are going to go out, go out at the top of your game.

    • Gymglitterxx Says:

      I wonder if Nastia will go for another World championships? She is just a few medals away from having the most..hmmmm

  19. Jazzy31 Says:

    Yeah Alicia and Aly! You go girls.

    Bye bye Nastia. She was so clearly NOT READY. I’m glad we don’t have to see her on bars anymore – too scary. The crowd’s ovation was nice – it was in appreciation of what she’s done. They know it’s good bye.

  20. Alex Says:

    As much as I’ve accepted the fact that Nastia’s Olympic chances are nil, I was still rooting for her, and it brought tears to my eyes when the fans all stood and cheered for her. I know you are all a bunch of Nastia haters (and I know that she is not prepared for this Olympics), it was still such a kindness shown to her.
    I also want ASac on the team. I know, I’m going to get KILLED on this board! Eh, I like all of you anyway. Gabby was given a gift with that 16 on vault, and Price is killing it. Wow.

    • nero Says:

      I loved it, appreciation for her entire gymnastics career I think.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        It’s too bad Sacramone didn’t get that same response, and at least her comeback (both of them) were legit.

      • The GYM JUICE Says:

        Sorry but winning FOUR INDIVIDUAL OLYMPIC MEDALS, including the ALL AROUND GOLD, makes you just a bit more famous and respected in the gymnastics community than a team silver, Whether or not you like Nastia, that’s the way it is. If Alicia had performed that brilliantly in 2008 then she would have gotten the same attention.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Alicia earned her way to Trials. Everything Alicia did was on merit.

        I actually have no problem with Nastia petitioning to Trials. It is a perk for a career but it wasn’t a perk afforded to anyone but Nastia. It wasn’t afforded to Chellsie.

        Nastia was going to be named as an alternate if she hit day two of Trials. How does that not piss you off? With everything she did performance wise you really think she deserved a free pass to the Olympics based on 4 years ago?

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        True but then it just goes to show how most gymnastics fans are the “E4Y” type – they only can remember to what happened four years ago. I understand Nastia accomplished more than ASac – she was an AA gymnast and pretty dominant in bars and beam for a time, but ASac still had guts to go through her own comeback that lasted at least two years and included capturing an individual vault title (I won’t even bring up the team gold because I don’t think it was deserved).

        Nastia’s comeback was basically done it seemed to capture more sponsors/tv time just in the nick of time for this “E4Y” crowd. If she had really been serious her comeback would have started in 2010, at least – then she would have been able to get through an entire bar routine.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        I agree Gym Juice that those of us like me who wish Alicia had received a standing ovation like Nastia did are probably being a naive. The reality is the general public hasn’t been following this like most of us on this blog and do not appreciate all Alicia has been through. Most people I talk to generally know that the Olympic trials were on and one of the big stories was that Nastia Liukin, the former Olympic aa gold medalist and star of the last Olympics, was trying to make a comeback. Most hardly even knew who Alicia is, or at most just were aware she was another one of the competitors out there trying to make the team. It probably is unrealistic to think Alicia would have received a standing ovation under any circumstances. Still, that doesn’t mean we can’t wish she would have received one.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Alicia deserved a standing ovation more then Nastia. She actually deserved her spot at Trials.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Agreed. And it was totally obvious that Anna’s alternate spot was originally intended for Nastia, but because she blew it time and time again Marta couldn’t make that convincing enough. So she “had” to give it to Anna. Which is why I think Anna shouldn’t have been given that alternate spot – it should go to ASac. No way in hell is Marta going to use Anna if Gabby or Kyla get injured. She’ll use Aly over her.

    • terrigymfan Says:

      Alex, I’ve been criticial on this board of Nastia’s comeback attempt — not the fact she tried but the way she handled it by not giving herself enough time as well as the free passes she kept getting – but I do admire her prior accomplishments and thought she was very graceful and beautiful back in 2008 especially on beam. I also admired the way she got back on the bars after that fall and finished, as well as her final performance on beam. I have to say I teared up when she got her standing ovations.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Nastia is getting way too much credit for getting back up on bars. Who wouldn’t have gotten back up on bars?

        This idea that Nastia was classy is such bull shit. She competed because she still had a chance to make the Olympic team. A chance she did not deserve nor did she earn.

        Why do you think she kept making the point that she wasn’t quitting? she wanted credit for staying in even though the real reason has nothing to do with being a fighter and everything to do with wanting to make another Olympic team half assing a comeback.

        She never should have been at Trials in the first place

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Yeah I have to agree about the whole comeback thing. While it was a really neat moment and easy to get lost into (I teared up too) I just don’t find Nastia’s attempt at a comeback appealing or even admirable. It was a slap in the face to everyone else competing in that arena. She was only there because of her past accomplishments in Beijing, and nothing else.

        I mean, Chellsie’s past accomplishments were pretty great too but she wasn’t even permitted to NATIONALS, yet Nastia fell apart at nationals, didn’t even have a full bar set together, and was given a free pass to Trials. I admit Nastia is a beautiful gymnast and did a lot for the sport, but her attitude and demeanor in the past few months was just insulting. I would say this about anyone – not just Nastia – if they had acted like that.

        And Bross got back on the bars, too – after having epic fail moments TWICE. The only reason she didn’t get up the third time was because she was wearing out and her coach told her not to for sake of injury. McKayla also fell off bars and got back on (she fell on bars both days of competition)…so yeah. I think that’s just the mode of these athletes. I don’t think it even occurs to them not to finish. Unless you’re Anna Li with that crock of shit floor routine she had at nationals. Anyway.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        I definitely agree she half-assed the comeback and should have never been at trials. We just have a disagreement on what she was thinking when she got back up on those bars and when she did her final beam routine. I think she realized by that point it was all over and was just trying to not embarrass herself. Actually her final beam routine was more impressive than finishing the bar routine because she didn’t just complete things but actually put in a fine performance (my opinion anyway). I think she said to herself, “This is my last competitive routine ever and I am not going to go out in front of this crowd with a bad performance.” I think almost all decent athletes would have done the same but I still think it showed professionalism.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        With all due respect of course she knew she was done after she fell for a second time at Trials. Who is there right mind would think they would be given a spot on an Olympic team after never hitting an uneven bar routine during her entire comeback?

        What if I told you that I know for a fact that Marta told Nastia she would be on the Olympic team if she hit her bar routine at Trials and that is why she stayed in the competition.

        What if I told you that Marta knew before Worlds that Nastia was coming back because she “encouraged” her to make this comeback with a promise of a free pass to the Olympics and that is why she skipped camps left and right because Marta told her she didn’t have to be there. Marta wanted Valeri as the Olympic coach and he knew Rebecca was falling apart not only physically but mentally and Marta needed a ‘Liukin” gymnast on the team to make that happen.

        This sport is so far more fixed then any of you can imagine.

      • JAS4 Says:

        The Karolyi’s have complete control over USAG and after they retire(if they ever do) I’m sure they have someone just as corrupt as they are take over

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        GTT I wouldn’t be surprised if that were the case – do you know that for a fact? Or maybe you can’t say anything. But I think you’re totally right because if Nastia was really considering making a comeback she would have done so earlier. As it was, she was FIG rep and she also was on the selection committee – why go back to gymnastics when she’s basically going to London anyways, and under way less pressure?

        She was hoping for the “prestige” and “legacy” factor and was especially hopeful I’m sure after Marta told her whatever she told her.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I know it for a fact. The person that told me would know. It explains everything that went on perfectly.

      • JAS4 Says:

        It makes perfect sense to me! It’s obvious by all the free passes Nastia was given! And that’s probably why they were in such a hurry to get rid of Chellsie so they told her to only compete her beam that she was having trouble with they knew she she would most likely hit floor and bars (and she was technically an AAer) I don’t think that Chellsie would have made the team but she would have been perfect for an Alternate so Marta wanted to get rid of anyone in the way of Nastia and it’s probably why Bross flubbed night two because she knew what they wanted and they probably put tons of pressure/threats in her to hit that bar routine

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Wow that is awful. I hope that gets out somehow…it would show just how biased Marta really is and how they really need to get her out of this sport. Really paints a true light on Nastia…

        If I had any respect for the sport/other girls I wouldn’t fall for that sh*t – I wouldn’t accept a free pass. If Bross knew this then it explains why she fell apart. How awful. I hope the other girls know too – and it explains why Marta was trying to hold Ross back. She was going to screw that poor girl over, big time.

  21. rhodanyc Says:

    Gabby didn’t have her number on her back on vault. Didn’t Hollie Vise tell me that’s an automatic deduction of some sort??

  22. Gymbee Says:

    Did you see how startled Alicia looked after she hugged Mihai and he said something to her? She was really wide-eyed and looked surprised.
    As much as I don’t like Nastia, I was happy for her that she landed her dismount. She was due to fall once in her routine though.

  23. Kel Says:

    Marta just clapped big time for Kyla. Looking good for her!

  24. Kel Says:

    McKayla just got a 15 on beam!!!!! Good for her! Kyla got a 15.650 for bars. I think they will be taking her🙂

  25. Exgymgurl Says:

    Bross was even worse sad #wogalessolympicteam

  26. JAS4 Says:

    I have to say (even though y’all know how I feel about Nastia) it did take some guts for her and especially Bross to try to finishe their routines knowing they won’t even be alternates

  27. Alex Says:

    OMG my heart is breaking for Bross.

    • Gymsurfer Says:

      I know Martais heartless but it looked like rhat really devastated her. Did I see tears in Marta’s eyes or was I imagining things?

      • Kel Says:

        Nope…I noticed that too.

      • Dee Says:

        Marta was totally crying. I think anyone who has watched Bross the past few years was. I know myself and the rest of the people watching with me were…what happened to her these past two years was so unfair. I cant even imagine what she feels like today.

    • Aerial Says:

      Watching Bross implode was harder than Atler, who still got through her routines without tons of massive falls. This mental cracking was so unfortunate, and such a tough thing for her to live with. I felt so awful for her. No one expected her to make it, but to compete bars like that, you have to wonder how destroyed of a person she is, which is the saddest part. I feel like this is a person who has nothing aside of gymnastics…. whether she likes it or not, is succeeding or not. She can’t do NCAA and her future seems the most blank (to a fan) of anyone’s. Her family is apparently crazy.
      She isn’t a great interviewee and always hesitates revealing anything beyond a couple words, but I’d love when she’s ready to know a little more insight into her and what path she’ll take. She was never my favourite, but it’s not possible to not fully respect her hard work and totally humble style. My stomach shakes all over again typing this. It would have been really nice, NBC, to show her likely “farewell” routine where she finally hit BB in competition and especially after that bars routine.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I felt really bad for Bross, but did anyone else notice how in the end after she had done her routines she was hugging everyone and hanging out with everyone? She didn’t seem as damaged as I would have thought her to be. She was also involved in that secret conversation that Jordyn, Aly, and Mckayla were having after Trials was over at the end…she was leaning in and whispering too. I really want to know what was said…but anyways, at least she was still going around and being involved with everyone and not as broken as I had feared.

        Then did you see Aly hugging Nastia and telling her how she loved her? Funny, Aly. That girl would have taken your Olympic spot right out of your hands if she could.

  28. JAS4 Says:

    I’m calling it now Gabby will get the first spot Chow will be Olympic coach lol

  29. Kel Says:

    Jordyn seemed really shaky on beam. If Gabby does well on beam, then she is going to win this tonight. Maybe it won’t be such a bad thing…will piss Jordyn off and hopefully she will beat Gabby at the Olympics. Look at Shawn…She almost got too comfortable winning and then Nastia took the most coveted prize of all.

  30. Jazzy31 Says:

    Poor Rebecca!! That was heartbreaking. That’s going to be one sad ride back to Texas for the WOGA group.

    LOL that you called Blabby a soiled princess!

  31. Kel Says:

    Gabby and Kyla tie for 1st on bars (basically because Gabby didn’t do well on Night 1). Anna Li was 3rd.

  32. Jazzy31 Says:

    *spoiled* princess

  33. nero Says:

    Jo….put that damn beam routine together please.

    Gabby is going to get a 15.5 on floor, isn’t she?

  34. catherine Says:

    Oooo this choreo is painful, such a tumbler though. Painful to watch Rebecca, feed froze on nastia so wasn’t subjected to that. Delighted mckayla hit beam and got a 15!

  35. Gymbee Says:

    How ridiculous that Gabby is more than a point ahead of Jordyn! The fix is so evident, how is that even possible considering Jordyn didn’t have any huge errors?

  36. Alex Says:

    I never noticed before that I like Maroney’s floor music/dance….but I do!
    Not sure that routine is going to “punch her ticket” in NBC speak…..we will see!

  37. Alex Says:

    Did you guys notice that Nastia replaced her switch ring with a switch leap? I guess I would have too…she knows she’s not in the running. She may as well water it down some and stay on.

    • Dee Says:

      I noticed that too. I’m glad that after all this mess, her very last routine was a pretty one.

  38. Kel Says:

    I think it’s almost and I say almost like 2008 with Shawn and Nastia. They are fairly evenly matched except for uneven bars, where Gabby obviously has the edge. I do think Gabby gets a little overscored, but I can actually see why she is ahead of Jordyn. Not by over a point, but I can see why she is ahead. It will be interesting to see how the international judges score her. Let’s just hope this pisses Jordyn off!

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Shawn and Nastia had careers to back them up. Gabby has no career but a team medals.

      • Kel Says:

        Very true…just trying to put a positive spin in case Jordyn does lose…just more motivation for her!

      • brainy Says:

        …And Jordyn has a career to back-up her scores & placement. Ms. Douglas has 1 EF at World’s to her name. Gabby is a choker, and her coach knows it.

  39. Kel Says:

    Jordyn can be even better…hopefully she can peak at the Olympics. Gabby is more likely to crack under the pressure.

  40. Exgymgurl Says:

    Price and mannoying are close enough on Vault…. Price backs up bars…..she’s getting a lot of air time?…!!

  41. Exgymgurl Says:

    Price is beating mannoying big time on floor….

  42. nero Says:

    What are Jo’s and Gabby’s SV on floor? The fact that Gabby gets comparable scores to Jo and Aly makes me kdhfaihfuwihfjasfh

    Peak in London Jo!

  43. Jazzy31 Says:

    Why do they keep showing Gabby’s family??? Didn’t anyone else’s family show up tonight??

  44. Exgymgurl Says:

    They skipped Bross on beam… Or did she scratch?

    • nero Says:

      she apparently landed her patterson

    • Gymbee Says:

      According to IG she rocked it!🙂

    • Gymsurfer Says:

      NBC probably figured why show someone who has no chance of making the team but I would have loved to see her beam anyway. Cruel for the fans to see her horrible bars as the very last thing on tv.

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        I think Bross will change gyms and stick round for the next quad… Just a hunch if she’s healthy and gets her mind right she has 4 yrs to work back to the AA

      • Hurms22 Says:

        Remember the last time someone left woga? Im not a huge Bross fan but leaving woga will just get her the same treatment as Wofford.

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        Woffords didn’t have world AA silver and bronze. I’d love 2 see her at M&M

  45. nero Says:

    Gabby bobbles through her beam like Jo…..will get a higher score

  46. Exgymgurl Says:

    Because Gabbys mom is fabulous?…. It’s silly really like none of the other athletes have parents there..

  47. nero Says:

    oooh Jo still might win .5 behind Gabby and still has to vault. It will be VERY close though

  48. Gymsurfer Says:

    WOW Nadia bowed out!!! GTT you finally got your wish. She admitted that she is done even before Marta called it.

    • Exgymgurl Says:

      She fell twice on bars and Alicia is out scoring her on beam…. It’s a very simple math problem… And a wogaless olympic team…Marta’s little princess that got a pass at visas when Chellsie didn’t is no more

    • The GYM JUICE Says:

      LOL Nadia? I know you meant Nastia haha but that made me think about the fact that if Nadia was here she could have done a lot better than some of these people tonight! LOL

  49. JAS4 Says:

    I don’t think it matters what Jordyn scores on vault Gabby will receive a huge floor score no matter what

  50. nero Says:

    Have I mentioned there has been NO Shawn tonight….thank the gym gods

    oh wait the night’s not over yet…….

  51. JAS4 Says:

    And of course Gabby gets it because of the fix on beam by one tenth!

  52. Steph Says:

    Jordyn keeps whispering to Aly and Mckayla. She definitely knows about the fix.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Jordyn was not perfect but Gabby’s beam should have taken her to second place.

      • Steph Says:

        Definitely in no way perfect, but hopefully this lights a fire under her. I didn’t think Gabby’s competition was better than Friday, though, so she should have remained behind Jordyn.

  53. K Says:

    I know I’m the lone Gabby fan here – I just have to say it – Go Gabby!

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      She gets ALL the credit in the world for not falling once but the fix is in and it pissed me off big time.; You might want to stay away here for a few

  54. JAS4 Says:

    What clearly doesn’t make sense is that Gabby had the same kind of mistakes Nastia had on beam night one so shouldn’t she have scored mid 14s but oh we’ll hope it motivates Jordyn

  55. Catherine Says:

    Gabby’s overscoring looks like it’s already alienating her from the rest. How the HELL did she outscore McKayla’s amanar? Oo she stuck the landing and it wasn’t sloppy. Was it incredible? No. Such bullshit, gifted every score. What if she starts tanking in London because her prelims scores will be real and her confidence shatters? Did not deserve to beat Jordyn.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Aly, Mckayla and Jordyn are really close as far as gymnasts go. They all hugged her but no one would be happy watching the competition be fixed and that is what these judges did.

      • Catherine Says:

        Yep I like their Twitter BFFness. It was nearly 3AM when I posted that, which I’ll blame the mistake on..I mistook McKayla’s average for her amanar score, woohoo glad I was wrong. Yes would love to have been a fly on the wall for that convo J,G and M had at the end.

  56. nero Says:

    I think we can all take away that Gabby was pretty great, except for beam, and Jo was pretty good, except for beam

    And Gabby only beat Jo by .1


    And Aly crying made me CRY


  57. Alex Says:

    It’s so the team you named….I think we’ve all known it for awhile. My alternate predictions are Price, Sacramone, Li. Thoughts?

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Price and Sacramone 100% yes but the third spot could go to Finnegan who brings more overall then Anna.

    • Jazzy31 Says:

      yes Alex – I would go with those alternates. Price did so well that she has to be either on the team or an alternate. And I’d like to see Alicia get an alternate spot too.

  58. Exgymgurl Says:

    I’d take price over mannoying….it’d be a shock but I would for another bar worker and more solid backup…Marta will break someone…. I’d put mannoying Finnegan and Li as alts…al traurig looks clueless… That was quick

    • Catherine Says:

      Why? She has no second vault, so there’s the EF gold gone. Her amanar isn’t as clean, and she takes a step to the side. Beam is fine, but not enough to displace anyone else. Floor has brutal choreo, would probably get hammered for that. Bars are only average really, won’y displace Jordyn. Won’t displace anyone on beam. Floor questionable. It’s not enough and the selection committee knew it.

  59. Alex Says:

    OMG no Sacramone!?! NOOOOOOOO

  60. JAS4 Says:

    I am kind of surprised by no Alicia but I guess they wanted UB

  61. nero Says:

    I’m crying. Aly and Jo are adorable

    so many emotions

    • Jazzy31 Says:

      I agree. Aly seems humble and I loved her tears of joy.. I wish they would have shown her parents – I’m sure they were bawling!

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Aly was telling everyone she couldn’t breathe. It was cute.Not that she couldn’t breathe but the way she said it.

        The only big shocker is Anna Li being on this team. It should have been Alicia. Her routine has so many messy aspects the judges will kill.

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        No one is allowed to have parents except gabby… I didn’t see ASac after the announcement like I did Nastia

  62. Catherine Says:

    Yep it sucks but they really needed a decent UB as alternate. They have strong floors, beam and a vault, but only an average UB otherwise. However I think Alicia had really come to terms with this possibility of not being alternate before now.

  63. Kel Says:

    I wonder if Alicia turned it down? When asked earlier if she would accept an alternate spot, she had said she wasn’t sure.

    • nero Says:

      Asac as an alternate makes no sense. All 5 girls can vault and beam, but there are really only 3, well 4 if you count Aly, who can do bars

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Finnegan will not get those connections in London just like Courtney did not. Aly will not get them either. The beam is a bigegr issue then many think

  64. sanitynmotion Says:

    I’m a Gabby fan but the fix was in for her from the start; completely obvious. I would love to know what was said by Aly Jordyn and McKayla during those last final minutes. It was obvious they knew something was up.


    Finally Marta and I are on the same page. Except I would have put ASac alternate over Li (that was the shocker); but I guess I”ll have to live with that. If we get a bunch of vaulters that are injured I won’t feel sorry for USAG for not covering that. Sad that that was the last time I”ll see ASac compete.

    Sad also ASac didn’t just go for it and do the front handspring double.

    Happy though with the end result. This team has the best chance of team gold in London. Hope Marta doesn’t break any of them.

    • Gymbee Says:

      I had tears in my eyes when ASac was lining up for her second vault, thinking this is the last time!😦

  65. sanitynmotion Says:

    I have to say though that I do feel sorry for people like Price; she came in what – fourth? And still didn’t make the team. The Marta system really screws people like her over.

    I hope coaches from now on will have their decent vaulters learn a second one. That’s the reason why McKayla is going. I love her don’t get me wrong – but she’s useless on bars/beam and that was definitely shown tonight/these Trials…15.0 on beam or not.

    • nero Says:

      I love Price, but she would only vault in TF. Mckayla has an outside shot to do floor (please please please please)

      Plus the vault gold.

    • terrigymfan Says:

      With the 5-3-3 team scoring system it really does pay to have Mckayla on the team rather than Price just because of Mckayla’s vault. It does suck though that this is so subjective.

      I can’t see though any chance Mckayla will do floor in team final. The other four are all way better. I think that Marta kept saying she needed to spdo a good footprint just to make it not appear she was taking a totally one trick pony which quite frankly is what Mckayla is. A helluva trick though.

    • sarah Says:

      The main reason, price didn’t make the team is because in every single event, she had 3 of either jordyn, aly, gabby, kyla ahead of her. So she wouldnt really contribute anywhere.
      While Mckayla with vault gets the team score up at least .5

  66. Wolf2610 Says:

    I’m sure NBC is loving having a women’s gymnastics team with no one that is remotely marketable.

    Hate to say it, but because we live in a visual world, attractive females sell better than talented ones.

    Sacramone, who at the very least, was steady this weekend, had that added dimension (physical attractiveness) that made her appealing.

    • Jazzy31 Says:

      C’mon.. you can’t deny that McKayla is cute

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Mckayla is a cocky shit She is cute though:)

      • Wolf2610 Says:

        Yes, McKayla is cute.

        I’ve always been a Sacramone fan; perhaps some personal bias spilled out.

        All bias aside, I do genuinely think she did enough to earn a spot. And, the comeback story after the failure four years ago would have been marketable.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        The funny thing is I am not an Alicia fan. I can’t stand her but it kills me that anyone does the job and gets left behind because Marta is a biased bitch.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        You can market the hell out of Mckayla. I agree she’s cocky but it’s almost schtick with her.

    • K Says:

      It’s not about NBC, it’s about the girls. Looks aren’t going to get you on to an Olympic team. lol Besides, beauty is subjective.

      • Wolf2610 Says:

        I agree; beauty is very subjective. However, I’ve yet to see a red blooded American male who did not find Alicia attractive.

        As far as it not being about NBC, maybe not directly; but indirectly, we have to remember that this is still about entertainment and good story lines to them. People have a soft spot in their hearts for a great story.

        I will concede that it should take more than just looks to be an Olympian

      • Kel Says:

        They seem to love Gabby’s personality. One headline on NBC was Gabby leads girls to London. PUHLEASE! They are totally going to blow up this Jordyn vs. Gabby rivalry. All the girls seem to really like each other except they don’t really seem to like Gabby.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        Wolf2610, I agree that Alicia is not only beautiful but has that mature sexuality about her that would have allowed her to be marketed as a “sex symbol” to adult males. The team now are all 15 and 16 year olds. No way advertsers are going to run the risk of backlash that would result if they were marketed as sex symbols. Mckayla is cute and has personality but again is too young to be marketed as a sex symbol to guys. She can be marketed big time to young girls though. The rest of the team can to but not as much as Mckayla though.

      • The GYM JUICE Says:

        I agree Kel. And it’s her own fault. Gabby is cocky, cocky, cocky. She needs serious media training to stop looking like such a little stuck up princess. She always needs to realize that she is WAY overscored.

      • Dee Says:

        “I’ve yet to see a red blooded American male who did not find Alicia attractive.”

        She might be amazingly pretty, but that alone still does not get my husband to watch gymnastics with me. I dont really think that looks has a whole lot to do with it, personally. I think NBC is in an alright spot, since we know that marketing really is targeted towards young gymnasts, and there are plenty on this team that little, young female gymnasts are going to worship. In fact, I can see all of them being marketed pretty well except for Kyla (she’s so reserved), but depending on what happens, she might wind up being a crowd favorite, too.

  67. nero Says:

    Jordyn is going to be pissed. Good.

    Get yo beam together gurlllll

  68. Alex Says:

    I think that Anna Li’s spot was supposed to go to either Nastia or Bross, then they both tanked and Anna was in. Thoughts?

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Only way she goes is if hell freezes over. ONE EVENT, Marta loves one event gymnasts.
      did an AMAZING job, hitting but one event? This is just like Annia in 2004
      Anna Li

  69. Biyatch Says:

    Alicia deserved better.

  70. nero Says:

    Even Aunt Joyce is saying Gabby winning was BS

    and he HATES Jo

  71. Kel Says:

    I am just glad Nastia is not an alternate. I happy with this team with the exception of no Alicia, but I get it. They really needed a back-up bar worker. Let’s just hope all of the 5 girls stay healthy and they won’t need any replacement athletes. I think Gabby is in for a rude awakening at the Olympics. Preliminaries could really mess with her head. I wonder if she’ll even qualify for all around final.

    • Gymnerd Says:

      Let’s hope it’s as you say. I’m surprised she could get her head through the door of the arena.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      I think Marta will let Jordyn, Gabby, and Aly duke it out. Honestly Gabby’s floor is going to score nowhere near a 15, even if she hits, so Aly’s weakness and Gabby’s floor will be a wash. Gabby’s vault has better form than Aly, and her beam has the potential to beat Aly for her leaps and better form, but she has yet to put forth a solid beam routine – one that Aly can do in her sleep. So that should be interesting.

  72. terrigymfan Says:

    Quick observations:

    Felt so sorry for Price. Great gymnast and great performance.

    Marta should have Mykayla forget everything else and just work on vault. If she can stick her landing we are talking major points for the team.

    Gabby looked great but I don’t trust her on beam. I would go with Jordan, Aly, and Kyla in team final on beam.

    I’ve been as big a critic of Nastia’s comeback as anyone but have to say she went out with class tonight. It took courage to finish that bar routine after that fall . And then to put in a fine performance on beam when she knew it was her career swansong. Let’s give credit where credit is due.

    Disappointed Alicia wasn’t an alternate.

    Great team selected though. Go USA!

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      I will not give her credit because she only competed because as Tim said, Marta said she was still in the running. Thyat is the only reason she competed. No credit from me.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        I wasn’t giving her credit for deciding to go out tonight but once she fell from that point forward I thought she handled herself well.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Don’t take anything I say personally Terri. You are allowed your opinion. Just ignore all my bitchyness Just watching this fixed BS pissed me off and I will never not believe that Nastia stayed in this because she was told if she hit she was in. Tim saying Marta said she was still in the mix after missing every damn bar routine is kind of making me maaaaaad:)

      • terrigymfan Says:

        I didn’t take it personally. I was just clarifying what I was saying. it does seem fixed. It must be tough for someone like Price. I am not saying she should have been on the team instead of Kyla or Maroney but it seemed like the five were determined before the night started and nothing she could do would change things.

      • The GYM JUICE Says:

        I will say it again, it’s crazy that Price was fourth AA and still didn’t make it. No one’s fault really, just that she wasn’t needed because of the ridiculous competition format set by the IOC.

  73. Alex Says:

    I still can’t believe Alicia wasn’t named alternate. I get that we’ve got good vaulters, but she was rock solid on beam. I would think that with Price we’ve got back up on bars….and I would have brought Li instead of Finnegan, so we would have been covered there on bars, too. Ugh.

  74. K Says:

    Maybe Alicia turned down being an alternate.

  75. Kelly Patterson Says:

    Rebecca has had injuries- she should still be really proud of her gymnastics career. If the olympics were 2 years ago, she’d be on it. Sucks it’s only every four years for a sport where girls are often only at the top for maybe three and one of those might be before they are age eligible.

  76. Alex Says:

    Does anyone think that Rebecca will stick around? I’d love for her to heal, train, and win Worlds next year. 🙂
    Also, someone just posted that Nastia was planning on 2016. Surely not, right??

    • terrigymfan Says:

      I don’t want to be mean and hope I am wrong but I think her confidence is shot. It is going to be extremely tough for her to ever compete again at the highest level.

    • The GYM JUICE Says:

      I would LOVE for Rebecca to get healthy and go for 2016! I doubt it will happen though; it had to be tough in the gym with Valeri training both Nastia and Rebecca, and he will be training Katelyn for the approaching quad. I am just really sad about what happened to her; in 2009 and 2010 she looked like a sure shot for the Olympics. I blame the age limits for this. The best gymnasts in the world truly are the 12-16 year olds.

  77. NinaMarie Says:

    First-time commenter here! I really enjoyed reading the live-blogging and comments during the competition. it makes just watching seem boring! Can’t wait for the pandemonium at the Olympics.

    I’ve noticed this for a while, but it really bothered me tonight –msome of the girls’ hair, so messy! I kept thinking Nastia’s came straight out of a Dr. Suess book (that is sounding meaner than I intended…. Just think it looked, well, silly). Even Aly’s bothered me some. It made me appreciate Jordyn’s classic ponytail. Anyone else agree?

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Nastia looked like she just rolled out of bed.

      • Dee Says:

        I have to laugh about elite level gymnasts’ hair because a few years ago the region I compete for sent out official “hair rules”, where your hair could not fall past a certain point on your shoulders if in a ponytail, no “whispies” hanging out, etc. And this was just for local, silly meets. I almost had to cut my hair for this stupid requirement! Then I turn on the TV and see these messy do’s. Cracks me up!

      • Aerial Says:

        Her hair is the worst of anyone. She’ll regret it later on, just like looking back at side ponytails on your wedding day or wearing a prom dress with converse sneakers. Kind of. No offense to anyone here who may have done either.
        Nastia’s hair is so ridiculous… I can’t believe she saw footage/photos of herself in the previous meets and thought she looked cool enough to do it again.

      • Dee Says:

        Truthfully, if her hair is as long as mine, that is the only style that really gets it out of your face. I wear mine like that at practice, but not to meets because I look like I have a nest on my head HAHAHAH

  78. nero Says:

    Ok you guys, how are they going to sit the gymnasts when they do team interviews

    It worked well in ’08. Shawn’s name came alphabetically first and she was the ‘it’ girl, Nastia was second, Chellsie and Alicia in the middle and Bridget and Sam last

    But if they do it alphabetically this time Gabby is first and Jordyn is last…..hmmmmm

    • The GYM JUICE Says:

      Shawn being first was pretty unfair I have to say. But I think it will def be Gabby first (again so unfair), followed by Jordyn and the rest alphabetical.

    • terrigymfan Says:

      You normally sit your stars first so definitely I think Jordan first and then Gabby. (Maybe you alternate every interview session because I know there is going to be tension re who is the biggest “star” on the team.) I would then go with Maroney because of her personality plus she will be talking about one specific event and therefore not just more “aa” talk. Probably Aly next and then Kyla although the boredom meter goes up big with those too (they are nice girls but very bland when it comes to interviews).

    • Dee Says:

      I think it will be Jordyn, Gabby, then the rest in alphabetical order. World AA champ should be first, so what if Gabby won trials. Last I checked those two things are not on the same wavelength!

  79. JAS4 Says:

    I agree with whoever on here said that the last Alternate spot was probably for Nastia or Rebecca and so they went with Anna

    • Alex Says:

      That was me. And the more I think about it, I also believe that both girls knew it. The pressure was on. Nastia fell on a skill she could do in her sleep, and Bross…well, that was completely unexpected. A mistake would not be out of character, but a complete meltdown was out of left field. I think she knew after Nastia fell that the spot was hers if she hit, and she couldn’t handle it. All pure speculation, but I think it makes a lot of sense.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        I’ve never been a gymnast but I bet falling from the bars is one of the most exhausting things that can happen. The mind starts racing and the adrenaline is going haywire. Once she fell twice she had really lost it. After the third fall she was so spent she just could not continue. Valerie making her stop reminded me of a fight manager throwing in the towel with a boxer.

        Personally I think she had to realize she had no chance of making the team but just wanted to do well enough not to embarrass herself. Her confidence has taken such a hit lately though that, sadly, it was not to be.

  80. Biyatch Says:

    So for prelims my best guess would be:

    V: Aly, Gabby, Jordyn, McKayla
    UB: Aly, Jordyn, Kyla, Gabby
    BB: Gabby, Kyla, Jordyn, Aly
    FX: Gabby, McKayla, Jordyn, Aly

    In TF:

    The third up in vault depends on how consistent Gabby is. I think she’s is more likely to have a cleaner vault then Aly but also way more likely to sit it down.

    Bars is the easiest. Jordyn can lead off, Gabby can anchor with Ross in-between.

    Obviously Gabby goes nowhere near the beam in TF. Her Olympic beam score will be a rude awakening if she performs like at trials. She nowhere near deserved the scores she got there with all the wobbles. Aly and Jordyn are pretty interchangeable over who anchors. Aly’s been hitting more consistently as of recent, although i thought she looked a lot better at visas than nationals.

    The third spot on floor is the toss up. I guess its who is hitting better between McKayla and Gabby. While I think Kyla is the cleanest her SV is just too low. Obviously Jordyn and Aly are the anchors here.

    Still pissed about Alicia. Kevin Plank and Under Armour should have stepped in. LOL

    • Gymglitterxx Says:

      Do you mean that floor is a toss up between KYLA and Gabby? I don’t think they will let McKayla do floor in TF after almost killing herself at Visas! Also exactly which events were you thinking Alicia should compete in the Olympics? With all the amanars we don’t need her vault, and her beam isn’t the best either.

    • terrigymfan Says:

      Biyatch, I agree with everything you said except I would not put Mckayla in FX in preliminaries and certainly not team final. She hasn’t been nearly as good as the other four on floor in my view. If I were Marta I would have her focus exclusively on getting her vault down. I don’t think she has stuck a landing yet this year. If she can it’s mega points for the US team. Why distract her by having her practice an event (floor) that I just can’t see her doing in TF.

      I suspect Marta will go with Gabby rather than Kyla for floor in team finals, but I guess it depends on how they do in prelims. I think she will bend over backward to go with Gabby.

  81. JAS4 Says:

    Videos of the interviews

  82. JAS4 Says:

  83. Meryl Hyderally (@fengshui831) Says:

    I am disappointed. I feel like it will be more of the same. I think they could have put together a much more dynamic team that would be interesting on the international stage. Blah, Blah, Blah

  84. Alex Says:

    An article from Brigid…. and I believe she makes some valid points. It’s a good read to remind us that just because we can, doesn’t mean we should.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      She makes some good points. Honestly though Nastia’s comeback announcement was what made me start to inwardly cringe on her behalf. She could have made that announcement at another time (maybe a few months before worlds, or leading into worlds) and it still would have been a positive media note for gymnastics without taking away from the other girls just having won the whole thing despite all the adversity they had to go through.

      Then she went on to say how her “pep talk” really helped motivate those girls to win. Give me a break. Like they aren’t motivated anyways knowing that if they could pull off a win without a “veteran” it would prevent people like her from coming in and grabbing one of those very few Olympic spots.

      I would have been completely rooting for Nastia had she given herself more time. Only giving a comeback in the sport of gymnastics eight months tells me she wasn’t really taking it seriously and I can’t help but think something else was behind the scenes motivating her. Promotions, endorsements, Marta telling her she has a spot if she could hit one bar set, etc. Sorry. It’s common sense. Plus, here you have Shawn, Chellsie, Bridget, and ASac having given their comeback YEARS and yet they were still on the brink of not being ready in time, so something was up.

      As it was, she was pretty impressive despite the eight months. Having said that, she really shouldn’t have been given the invite to Trials after showing she wasn’t ready at nationals. I think that’s why a lot of people were saying negative things; especially in light of what happened to Chellsie.

      • rhodanyc Says:

        Sanity I could not agree more. I had no emotion for Nastia last night and this is coming from someone who bawled like a baby when she won in Beijing. Between the ill-timed comeback announcement and the rushed training, she really lost me over the past few months. Most of all, I just didn’t think she really deserved to even be at Trials. So it was difficult for me to feel anything.

      • Nn Says:

        Everyone talks about her comeback announcement, I always viewed it as a way to distract- in a good way- media pressure frm an inexperienced team (minus aly) after Asac went down…. Leaving them to focus on the work and not get hounded about what they r going to do wo asac

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Are you kidding me? Please tell me you don’t buy that bull

    • The GYM JUICE Says:

      Alex: I hate that article. Peoplel should be allowed to write what they want. If I were Brigid, I would have told that mom to screw herself. No gymnast gets ONLY negative attention, so all these elite gymnasts should just be thankful that they get to compete on the national and world stage, and get noticed! Every elite gymnasts has her fans and also her non-fans. Whoever’s mom that was should realize this, and learn to take the good with the bad.

  85. Catherine Says:

    I can understand the fury over Alicia and Ebee, but only up to a point. People are forgetting about the maximum score potential and Sac competing the USA’s two deepest events.

    USAG facebook pretty annoying at this stage. Did anyone get into that ‘debate’ with Mary Mags, who always forgets just how valuable Kyla is to the team? Or Kayla, as she calls her.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      Ebee is just a victim of the 5 person rule and the 3 up 3 count. If this were ’96 she’d totally be on this team – so would Sarah over Maroney. Maroney is only on this team for her vault. I love the girl, think she’s awesome at her one trick, but it’s just unfortunate for everyone else who can do more than one event really well.

      I hope more coaches prompt their good vaulters (i.e., Ebee) to do more than one vault. Imagine if Ebee had a second vault as well, and was also doing her floor/bars routines as well as she is. She’d probably have that spot over Maroney.

      And ASac probably would have made the team in some fashion had she done a floor routine. I am accepting she’s been left off but am still disappointed. I would have loved to have seen her get her redemption that she came back for. Gotta admire her guts coming back from that achilles injury. I teared up after her last vault thinking this was the last time I’ll be seeing her compete.

  86. Dee Says:

    Woo! That was a rollercoaster weekend.
    Spent Saturday bawling over the men’s finals. Great team, I cant wait to see how they stack up against China and Japan.

    Annnnd then last night. Aly’s reaction was my favorite. Reactions like that are what I always HOPE to see – absolute pure joy.

    Everyone I was watching with, including myself, was rattled by Nastia’s fall. I seriously thought she was hurt, but probably had the wind knocked out of her. Bross also made me horribly upset…I hate what happened to her the past few years of her career. I hope she does not live the rest of her life feeling the affects of this. It would be great to see her comeback for World’s next year…but at this point who knows?

    I was biting my nails to the end to see if Price would take Maroney’s spot. I thought it was going to happen. I am glad she is on the team, though.

    I absolutely cannot WAIT until the scoring in London reflects what is actually happening on the podium. I am so sick of this USA gift scoring. However, I really believe that the fix was in for Gabby.

    After the competition, when Maroney, Wieber and Raisman were talking, my friend rewound the TV because she saw Maroney say “I feel bad for you” to Jordyn. For anyone out there that thinks that it’s ridiculous to say that there is a clique excluding Gabby, I think it is totally true. For MONTHS Gabby has been used as a motivator for Jordyn. I really think that’s all she is at this point…a way to keep Jordyn fighting and working to her peak. The girl wins so easily, so why not pit someone against her? In the end, I think that it will actually work out in Jordyn’s favor. She looked like she was out for blood at the end of the night, haha.

    All in all, this is a very strong team. Although I was dissapointed by the alternates (I wanted A Sac but I understand why they took Li), I am happy with the overall decision. It was hard to watch ASac’s last vault, knowing that this was it. It was even a little hard to see Nastia hit her beam and be done. I cant even imagine what they feel like today. The last performance at the last meet is something every gymnast dreads, I cant imagine it being on a stage such as the Olympic Trials.

    NOW what are we all going to do for the next few weeks until the competition starts in London? HAHA.

  87. alex Says:

    Who thinks that Nastia will stick around for Worlds? I might if I was her. I do believe she has it in her to win bars at Worlds next year if she trains full time….and she’s already come this far, why not just go for it? What do you guys think?

    • terrigymfan Says:

      Possible but I think that’s it for Nastia as a competitor.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I would like to see Nastia stick around – only because I’d like to see an “honest” comeback, and not what we were privy to these past two weeks – but I don’t think she will. She’s said she wants to go to college in NYC after the Olympics and study fashion. She also has a good spot in the sport being the FIG athlete rep and she’ll probably get her spot back on the selection committee. I wish she would have given herself more time – honestly, I don’t know what she was thinking – but at the end of the day she got her “last hurrah” and was able to bow out semi-gracefully (something that wasn’t provided to Chellsie sadly). And also thankfully she wasn’t injured.

      • Dee Says:

        I agree. I think she knows now that it is time to gracefully bow out and move to the next chapter of her life. If anything, maybe this was what she needed to finally dampen the flame she carries for gymnastics…other wise, how could she ever really move onto anything else?

        I sometimes pity these girls…they train their entire lives, and then BOOM the Olympics (or for many of them, the Trials) are over and they go home….to what? Life post-Olympics/Trials (if you dont make it) seems like it could feel like an empty pit. I think that is why we see such a surge of “comebacks” after a while…I think that a lot of time is spent thinking “What now?”.

        I think that she never would have been able to move on if she would have had a great performance and didnt make the team…I think in that case she would be back for more next year, but due to what happened I think she is wise to see it as a sign that it is time to be done. That takes some courage and I’m glad she is moving on.

  88. terrigymfan Says:

    Dee, you were thinking just about exactly what I was thinking. I really thought there was some chance Price might take Mckayla’s spot. It seemed like everytime they showed Mckayla the last couple of days she was screwing up. I could not believe she stepped out of bounds on floor last night. She got to that last tumbling pass and I said to myself, “Just don’t step out of bounds and you have it.” And then what does she do but step out of bounds! Even her vaults were a bit of a letdown because she is not sticking the landings. I’m glad she is on the team because, one, her potential for adding points to the overall US score is more than Price’s would have been, mainly because Price while solid overall doesn’t fill in any gaps by the other competitors, while Mckayla on vault clearly could add extra points to the overall team score that would not happen without her. I also just love Mckayla’s personality and would have so missed her presence. I do feel sorry for Price though. Very fine gymnast.

    I also thought Nastia might have had a concussion. For all the justifiable criticism of Nastia up to that point, I thought it showed courage and professionalism on her part to get up and finish that routine. I also was glad to see her turn in a fine beam performance at the end. She is a great athlete and I never want to see a great athlete (or any athlete for that matter) go out on a bad note.

    Bross was a sad case. Can you imagine that happening to you? You’ve totally lost it and are so exhausted you cannot even finish. The horrible thing is that in gymnastics you are totally alone in front of 20,000 or so spectators and millions on TV. There is absolutely nowhere to hide when things go wrong. In team sports and even in a lot of individual sports they can hide you when something like that happens but not in gymnastics. I do think though that she ultimately will remember, and be remembered for , the good times rather than the bad.

    I do think this is a strong team and we should win gold. We definitely should dominate on floor and vault. Beam and bars are certainly more iffy.

    As far as what we are going to talk about the next few weeks, there will be training camp at the Karolyi Ranch. Can’t wait to talk about the rumors that will be coming out of there.

    • Dee Says:

      Hello Terri🙂

      I hope that the team that walks into the ranch is the same as the one that boards the plane. I hope the girls stay consistent and dont give Marta a chance to replace them with an alternate who is looking stronger. I could maybe see Price being used if any one of those girls stops being consistent.

      I know that Nastia fell flat as you are supposed to, but her upper body was off the mat and her lower body was on the mat, making me wonder if she didnt get hurt. The mat was not fully there to catch her, which is scary.

      I guess what I kept forgetting about Maroney is that she really has only been doing routines for the past week. I guess it is only normal that she had a few mishaps. I just hope she is consistent at the camp and remains on the team!

      I 100% cannot imagine how awful it would be to wake up as Bross today. It makes me feel sad and slightly ill.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Oh gawd. What happened to Bross on bars?!!! It was the WORST nightmare, ever. I can’t help but think whoever said it on this post was right, that she and Nastia were told if one of them hit a bars routine that alternate spot was theirs. After Nastia fell, all Becca had to do was hit, and she just …totally fell apart. Something had to have taken place because she was hitting bars consistently before that.

        I wish they had shown her beam too because apparently she hit her Patterson (finally) and I wish they had shown Maroney’s second vault because apparently she did the best one she’s ever done.

        I hope nobody gets injured at the ranch either. Honestly I still wouldn’t want to use Anna as an alternate at the Olympics. I really like this team and feel that they are the deserved ones. MaryMargaret can f*ck herself as it comes to Kyla – she’s just a moron who doesn’t understand that Kyla’s bars are tops in the US and no matter what Price is not good enough to catch her there. That is why Price was left off (and Kyla’s beam is much better too). I feel bad for Price because she’s a victim of this selection process but it is what it is; and she should be stoked to have performed so well under pressure. If anyone DOES get injured she will definitely be the first one called upon I think. I hope she continues on after the Olympics because if she gets a new floor routine with better choreo she’ll be spanking everyone.

        Do you guys think Bross will continue on after this?

      • terrigymfan Says:

        Dee, I keep forgetting that Mikayla was injured so that has to be taken into account.

        Regarding Marta replacing one of the primaries with an alternate just because the primary is not “consistent,” she is not supposed to do that. Except for injuries about the only reason for replacing a primary with an alternate is for “inability to follow the National Training Cordinator’s program” (I am not quoting that exactly). That sounds like having some sort of serious discipline issue (like not showing up at the training camp at the Ranch in mid-July) not just inconsistent performance. A gymnast has a right to appeal getting kicked off for that reason so it really would be something serious. I am not saying Marta couldn’t get away with replacing a primary with an alternate at this point just because she became dissatisfied with the primary’s performance but it’s really not proper. The alternates are supposed to be there in case of injury.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        I wholeheartedly agree Sandy that Kyla should be on the team not Price. First, Price only finished 0.1 points ahead of Kyla. It was really a dead heat at trials. You are right that Kyla contributes strategically to gaps from the other performers that Price doesn’t. Also Price has that “international look” that the Olympic judges like so much. Plus, Kyla has been consistently near the top of these competitions longer than Price. Price only came on strong very recently. Price is the victim of not having a sixth team member and the crazy team scoring system but Kyla and Mckayla were better choices for this team on the current system.

        I just don’t know about Bross. If she does continue she should find another gym. I don’t think Valerie has any interest in her anymore. Maybe Kim Zmeskal at Texas Dreams will take her on. It’s in another suburb of Dallas and she would not have to live away from her family and they would not have to move. Those are pretty big considerations.

      • Dee Says:

        The worst part about Bross is that she could do really well at Texas Dreams, and they are very NCAA focused, so she could have gone there, repaired herself a little and then gone to a good school and had a great time with NCAA. However, she went pro WAAAAY too early in her career and now it is totally like….What Now?

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I don’t think Bross would leave WOGA because of politics. Also, Kim probably wouldn’t take her for the same thing. You can’t mess with the whole Marta relationship.

        I honestly don’t know who’s to blame for Bross’ downfall – herself (for working herself too hard and putting a lot of pressure on herself) or her coach. Valerie seems to be more “hands off” with her but he said at one point that’s what she prefers. I don’t think that vault in ’11 nationals was entirely Valerie’s fault, seeing as how Kyla’s vaults were handled this year and also it was revealed that Bross was the one who insisted on continuing with the Patterson dismount.

    • Casc Says:

      Hopefully we will get a lot of tweets from Aly, McKayla and Jordyn to have enough rumours for speculations about what is really going on. And it would be also good idea to do some pre-olympic research about other 11 teams, right?

  89. terrigymfan Says:

    BTW, did anybody notice Bela standing up near the end looking over Steve Rybacki’s and Marta’s shoulders, throwing his two cents in on who should be on the team? I’m thinking, shut up and sit down Bela, go back to the Ranch, and tend to your llamas.

  90. gymnastwannabe Says:

    I think the whole thing with Gabby might blow up in Marta’s face. Gabby doesn’t handle pressure well and now she’s gonna have all eyes on her as the new “it” girl. So Marta, you’ve created tension b/t teammates and dumped the media on the girl who handles pressure the worst…guess we’ll see how it works out. I hope it motivates Jordan instead of rattling her brain with frustration. They both have gone pro and Gabby’s got the attention spot for sponsors.

  91. gymnastwannabe Says:

    …another thought…do you think the whole thing b/t Gabby and Jordan is really a Marta thing or a USAG and NBC thing?…rivalries sell, underdog’s winning sell, and Gabby is dramatic & outgoing which sells, where as Jordan is more even keel and down to earth in her personality…last night was about entertainment in my opinion…the girls should get a piece of the money for their performance..sold out crowd, live on NBC…someone made a lot of money last night at Gabby and Jordan’s expense…

    • Dee Says:

      Based on the other girls’ reactions, I no longer think it is a media thing. The fix was in for Gabby to win. Her scores have been inflated meet after meet this year, and I think it was purely to motivate Jordyn. I think that the other girls also see Gabby make mistakes and still score nearly as high as Jordyn for a good routine…it’s ridiculous and it will be a relief to no longer see it happen on the Olympic stage. Gabby wont get these scores in London.

      • sarah Says:

        i don’t get it at all,
        first off Gabby cracks under pressure, so whats going to happen at the olympics where her scores are lower then what she has gotten use too.
        second, its completely alienating her from the team, Jordyn, Aly and Mckayla are all like best friends. Kyla and mckyla grew up together. Gabby sorta got no-one. No matter what anyone says, you need your team mates.

  92. sanitynmotion Says:

    When I saw the first vault score for Gabby on Day 2 I knew they were fixing for her to win it all. All she had to do was not make a major mistake, and the win was hers. I’m really unsure why this is going on, or who exactly is behind it – I guess Marta since she’s behind everything.

    I don’t think Jordyn “needs” to be motivated. That girl is plenty motivated on her own without a fake rivalry. She and her coach are also smart enough to see what’s going on, so this whole thing was pointless if that was the reason behind it.

    I kind of feel like the real loser from this fix will be Gabby. It’s not her fault that the judges are scoring her that way, and yet she’s obviously being outcast from the rest of the girls. I also don’t get the sense that Gabby feels like she was overscored. I hope at least Chow is sensing something weird going on, because if not they are in for a RUDE AWAKENING come London.

    I really like Gabby, I’m a fan of her gymnastics…but I really think it does nobody any good to have such a biased method of scoring. I don’t understand it and I never will. If you want to really prepare these girls for London, then make it so that their scores will be more within the “reasonable” range so they know that they need to fix their routines or work on certain aspects more. In Gabby’s sake it was ludicrous: on vault she was only one-tenth less than McKayla in execution on her amanar; bars she had a mistake on her pak and yet she still scored 15.9 (WTF – more like 15.3 at the Olympics dear); beam she missed a connection and wobbled yet still got almost a 14.9 (which is what Nastia’s beam routine got with fewer wobbles); and then floor…9.3 execution??? Really?!

    I hope Gabby does well in London; I really do. I also hope Jordyn does well. What I really want to see is everyone do well (even the Russians) and have the “true” deserving winner be crowned. That almost never happens but that’s what I’m hoping for.

    • JAS4 Says:

      I think they knew what they were doing when fixing the scores this time because they didn’t try to give Gabby the lead after night one because they knew she cracked under the pressure at Nationals on night two so they didn’t put her in the lead til night two this time and I think everyone there knew it you could tell by the look on her face and before Jordyn went up on Vault when Geddert came up on the podium to talk to her he was probably telling her not to worry about it

    • elitefan Says:

      John Geddert’s blog after day 1 of trials: “I have to say I was a bit disappointed in some of the scoring. I am usually fairly objective when it comes to evaluating performances and if anything I tend to be more critical of Jordyn’s. Some scoring just did [not] seem to separate the good from the great, and the great from the outstanding. In speaking with Martha, Bela and some of the other coaches, most were in agreement. I am not knocking the judges as I fully realize that their efforts are forever under appreciated, but some things just did not make sense to me. In the end, I do believe they got the rank order correct (Easy for me to say since Jordyn finished the day in the top spot).”

      • terrigymfan Says:

        Translation: Jordan was underscored and Gabby overscored.

        Does anybody know much about Geddert? He seems like a pretty good guy to me from the little I have seen of him or heard hom say.

      • elitefan Says:

        I agree, he seems like a good guy. His blog is an interesting read:

        During worlds he actually critiqued Martha’s training program on his blog. He mentions it again in a recent post. He seems to really try to protect his athlete, which I respect.

  93. Biyatch Says:

    I still honestly believe there is a good chance Aly out scores Gabby for the 2nd AA spot at the Olympics when the fix isn’t in. Looking at last years scores. Last year with a hit routine on floor Gabby scored a 13.88, a point bellow Aly. With real judges the strength of Aly’s beam and floor could potentially offset her lack of bars. Also it seems when Aly hits the most is in team prelims.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      Aly gets downgraded a lot for her lack of flexibility and lines (no toe point, and her form on bars is awful). And Gabby’s floor last year in Tokyo had a D score that was four tenths lower than what we saw night 1 at Trials. I agree though she won’t get near the same score at the Olympics, part of me is wondering if they aren’t “over hyping” her here in the US to kind of put forth a “bias” on the international judges at the Olympics.

      I.e., Irina Slutskaya in figure skating.

      • Biyatch Says:

        Aly’s floor and beam have upgraded D scores too though. Both have upgraded vault. And yes Aly does get downgraded internationally but she still ended up 4th going into AA and then again 4th AA even with the majorly epic bars fail.

        Maybe this is just wishful thinking cause I like Aly so much more than Gabby but its definitely a huge possibility.

    • Dee Says:

      I agree with you, Biyatch. Plus, Aly has a World EF medal, and the judges know her…so I think she could squeak by Gabby for the 2nd AA spot. She just has to hit everything…including making it through bars.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I know Raisman has more difficulty but I just can’t stand her gymnastics. She’s not nearly as bad as Bross though. I like her personality a lot; I just hate the fact she never points her toes and her bars are just a disaster (I know she stays on, but her legs come apart, her knees are bent, etc…it makes me want to scream). Her beam is really heavy/clunky and while her floor is definitely an improvement over when she was using ASac’s old floor music, she’s still “stiff” and that whole part where she flops down on the floor twice is just awkward if you ask me.

        I guess I hope that the second AA spot goes to Gabby (or Kyla) only because I think she’d have the “best” shot of making podium (besides Jordyn, of course). Aly will only sneak by because she’s so consistent. Her mentality is what really got her on this team; they will need Aly to go up first, hit, and then follow in her footsteps. I just don’t see her making podium in the AA UNLESS one or two people have major errors and Aly hits bars.

  94. alex Says:

    Also, for people who are up in arms about Price not making the team, I have to say that I agree with her not being on the team. She has almost no international experience, and she should have to have a few big meets under her belt before the Olympics. I think it was a windfall for her to be named as an alternate (although a well deserved windfall), but I don’t think she was ready to be named for the team. I think she is one who should go for 2016

    • Aerial Says:

      She totally deserves first alternate (even though I don’t think they’re ranked) and can always feel massively proud of how she came on this year and competed at Trials.
      Maroney beat her on the 2 events both nights that either would be used for (not sure about floor night 2 actually), plus has better form and can point her toes (I was really impressed by Price but cannot stand flexed feet.) Maroney has lots of experience and is a current world champion. She will be recognized overseas and score better if both were to hit, IMO. Since this team is not about top 5 AAers, I don’t think people should be upset Price wasn’t placed on the team circa 1996. It’s fabulous she made alternate and very deserved.

    • Dee Says:

      I agree also with her being an alternate. She sort of came out of the woodwork the past three meets, while the others have been on the international scene for a long time. Price has done an awesome job this season, and if she keeps it up, I think she could be a real leader this next quad leading up to Rio. I think it’s awesome that she is an alternate…and although they are unranked, I think she will be the one to get the call if someone gets injured (unless a TF bar worker gets hurt, then it will be Li). She’s awesome and was a great surprise these past few meets!

  95. K Says:

    I actually think Makayla said “I feel bad for her” and they looked at Vega on floor, than Aly said “C’mon Sabrina!”

    I think they were talking about Vega.

    • Dee Says:

      hmmm…that is a possibility. We could have sworn she said “you” but they could have been talking about Sabrina. I thought maybe they started cheering for Sabrina because they knew the cameras were in front of them and could possibly pick up on what they were whispering about. We will never really know, but those I was watching with totally thought she said “you”.

  96. MacStabby Says:

    Nastia’s hair looked like a koosh-ball. That said I do give her props for getting up and finishing. That fall was hard.
    Poor Becca. My heart’s just breaking for the poor girl. I still love her though.
    Gabby is going to look back at her “Duggie” or whatever-dance, and cringe when she’s older.
    I agree with the team selection and alternates; it’s basically what I was hoping for. Woot!

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      I cringed too at that dance. I think Gabby is now trying too hard. It’ll wear on people soon enough.

      I can’t help but wonder how much Gabby will be used in the 3 up 3 count in London. I still don’t know how her floor will be received by the judges. They should have given her a new floor routine a year ago.

      Nastia’s hair…what’s wrong with just a bun? It looks better. I’m wondering if McKayla started this trend. I hate it. I think it looks good on McKayla but that’s it. Ross needs to do something different. Thank goodness Jordyn didn’t buy into that trend.

  97. terrigymfan Says:

    Just watched Price’s interview. Very classy.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      I really like Price…I hope she stays on for 2016. I think she’s great. I hope she can get a second vault too. I loved how her coach was tearing up.

      I also liked Sarah Finnegan’s interview and Al Fong’s response to her being an alternate. They’re super excited about it and despite all that I’ve heard of Al Fong he seemed very personable and reasonable…I heard he mellowed out a lot in the last few years. I love his gymnasts – I hope Sarah stays on as well because she’s beautiful to watch.

      • Dee Says:

        I think any coach of an Olympic alternate should be proud, you know? Especially the coaches of Price and Finnegan. These girls did an amazing job this season. I hope we see a LOT more from them in the future. I think Marta picking them as alternates was a way to slate them to be leaders in the future. What great experience for the next quad!

  98. Dee Says:

    Just in from USAG Facebook:

    People have been commenting on the team photos asking why Shawn Johnson is not on the team.

    I am LOLing at my desk!

    • The GYM JUICE Says:

      Every four year fans believe that gymnastics a sport like swimming or tennis that never really goes away. They don’t understand why there is such rapid turnover. They don’t understand how there’s any way Shawn is not still the best LOL. I guess it’s how I would feel if suddenly Michael Phelps wasn’t in the Olys LOL.

  99. terrigymfan Says:

    I know this is slightly off topic but this weekend I heard Tim Daggett repeat the myth that Bela Karolyi has “done more for US gymnastics than anybody else.” That is total BS in my view. You often hear Bela’s supporters, in responding to the claims that he abused his gymnasts, say something like, “Well, even if that is true, but you can’t argue with all those Olympic medals.” Even many Bela critics seem to accept the underlying premise of this statement – that he had phenominal success bring in Olympic medals for the US. Really? Let’s look at his actual Olympic record, starting in 1988. (Mary Lou Retton and Julianne McNamara won several individual medals at the 1984, but I don’t put much stock in that because it was boycotted Olympics, happened on home turf where there was biased judging in favor to the US , and neither gymnast had trained with Karolyi that long before those Olympics). Starting with the 1988 Olympics, here is the individul medal record of Bela gymnasts in the Olympics:

    Brandy Johnson None
    Phoebe Mills Bronze BB (tie)
    Chelle Stack None

    Betty Okino None
    Kerri Strug None
    Kim Zmeskal None

    Dominique Moceanu None
    Kerri Strug None

    Almost all of those gymnasts were quite talented, but in my view he had abused them and beaten them down so much by the time of the Olympics they were mentally, emotionally, and physically exhausted and burned out, and therefore underperformed. The fact that he nearly starved them to death while they were at the Olympics didn’t help matters.

    What about his record as the coach of the Olympic team? Here is the team medal record of the US teams he coached:

    1988: None (Karolyi actually cost the US a bronze medal because he did not know the rules)
    1992: Bronze (disappointment considering he had a very talented group of gymnasts as well as a great individual performance by Shannon Miller)
    2000: None (no individual medals either)

    Doesn’t sound too stellar to me.

    And then there is the argument that “US gymnastics wouldn’t be where it is today if Bela hadn’t come in an established a new era of discipline and toughness in US gymnastics.” I don’t buy that melarkey one bit. Does anybody really believe that we wouldnot have the fine group of gymnasts that were just named to the US team if it hadn’t been for Bela? US gymnastics was due for explosive growth in the eighties, ninties, and 2000s for a variety of reasons. Probably the biggest reason is the explosion of interest in sports in general due to the Internet, expanded TV coverage (all the ESPN channels for example), etc. The breakup of the Soviet Union and the East Bloc communist regimes played no small part since the old communist bloc powerhouses no longer dominate like they once did. Personally, I think Bela’s shennanigans – including whatever role he has played in centralizing control of US gymnastics into Marta’s hands – has retarded the growth of US gymnastics more than promoted it.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      I agree with you Terri. I mean, I haven’t been around “all” that long to know what Bela did in the ’80’s and early ’90’s…I started following gymnastics when Shannon Miller was dominant in ’92 – and she was not a Karolyi gymnast. But Bela has been given far too much credit for how USA gymnastics has evolved (Marta, too). Sure, he has provided his ranch as the established national team training center – which I do agree, centralized training is important – but overall, the US would have just as much success (if not more) without the Karolyi’s.

      I would almost argue that the negative things having to do with the Karolyi’s have prohibited the growth of gymnastics to some degree. Most parents out there would see what has been going on and see the starving bodies of these young athletes (this would be before the 16 age rule and before Karolyi retired from coaching) and think “I don’t want my daughter looking like that or potentially having to deal with these issues so young.” I’ll bet a lot of parents (even to this day) would not want to even enroll their kid in gymnastics because of the negative association.

      In fact,since the Karolyi’s have retired from coaching I’ve noticed there has been a distinct difference in the body types of these gymnasts, and I’m sure there’s a reason for that besides the age rule. No longer do I look at them and think “oy, they are FRAGILE.” Most of them now are lean but very strong and obviously more healthy. Shannon Miller was like 76 lbs in 1992; today it’s more common to see gymnasts in the 90-lb range, which seems just more healthy in general.

      Bela has been so against the age rule, and I guess the reason is he prefers the look of fragile lithe small girls…in a way, it’s kind of odd for a man in his what, 70’s? I don’t know. I wish both of the Karolyi’s would just retire and go away. They must have blackmail of some sort because in no other sport does one individual have so much control. I wouldn’t be surprised if even this year she ruins these girls’ chances of getting Olympic gold because she beat them to death via her “camps.” She did it in ’04 and ’08…

      • Dee Says:

        I think trust was put in them from the start because they were credited with Nadia’s success and then they came over here and Mary Lou did what no other American gymnast had ever done. That does not mean that since then other gyms have not been as successful…but for some reason Marta and Bela are still running the show. Now that the US has had success come from gyms all around the country, I’m not sure why they are still the ones in charge.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        I see the members of this year’s team. Like you say Sandy they all look so healthy. Even Kyla Ross and Sarah Finnegan, who are only 15 and are among the “slimmer” girls, look healthy. Constrast that to the 1992 team where the girls all looked anorexic and prepubescent. I know the age rule was 15 then but by coincidence all of the members of this year’s team are 16 or younger too. Some of the members of the 1992 team were 16 and still looked anorexic and prepubescent. The members of this year’s team also seem so happy and well-adjusted when interviewed. Whenever I see an interview on YouTube of some of the girls in 1992 (Kim Zmeskal is one), they seem so melancholy like they were not enjoying things and having a good time one bit. There is a YouTube interview of Chelle Stack that ran during the 1988 Olympics when she was 15. It’s supposed to be a fluff piece but it comes through loud and clear that it was very difficult working with Bela. One can only imagine what the Romanian gymnasts under Bela went through. If everybody listened to Bela we would be stuck in a time 1992 time warp with a bunch of miserable half-starved girls as our team.

        I agree with you Dee that Nadia and then the Mary Lou phenomenom, which was due mostly to luck and unusual circumstances, had the unfortunate result of building up Bela as a mythical figure in a lot of people’s minds. The myth still persists even today.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        Just one other quick point and goes back to something you said Sandy. I am a mom and have teen and preteen daughters. They are very athletic and participate in competitive running and swimming as well as recreational sports such as tennis like I did as a kid. They never were involved in gymnastics (except beginners courses as young children) but if they had chosen to go that route, there is certainly nothing about this year’s group of girls that would have made me think, “I don’t want my girls getting involved in that sport.” I cannot say I would have felt the same in the late eighties/early nineties when Bela’s influence was at its height.

    • Jazzy31 Says:

      Preach it, Terrigym!! I agree. Domi’s book is so sad: if she wasn’t so underfed and overtrained, I think she could have been one of the greatest gymnasts from the US ever. The revolving door of coaches she had at the Karolyi’s was ridic.

      And I think it was Shannon M’s mother that said that one meet that she went to with the Karolyi’s as head coaches (it was a Worlds I think) that she was given so little food that she was sick. Finally they had to insist that she eat all meals w/ her coaches. There’s no need for that. I think it’s that Bela sees gymnasts as “machines”, not as real people with needs.

    • The GYM JUICE Says:

      Teri, you forgot Bela’s most important gymnast of all Nadia Comaneci on your list! Sorry but I simply disagree with the things people are saying about Bela. Yes, on average, the girls were tinier back the sport has evolved so much. When dance on beam and floor was so important, skinnier and more graceful girls had it easier. Now that they have to throw crazy tumbling like double arabians and trip twists, girls with huge thigh muscles (like Kim Zmeskal had!) have an easier time.

      Also, look at Nastia Liukin! If she was a Karolyi gymnast, ya’ll would probably claim that they were starving her because she was every bit as thin for her Olympics as Shannon or anyone else.

      GTT if you aren’t a fan of Bela I understand so please don’t block me LOL; I am not proclaiming him a gymnastics god; I simply don’t believe that he starved anyone. Additionally, have ya’ll noticed every gymnast who has ever made these allegations against Bela have ended their careers with bitter disappointment?? Nadia and Kerri for example, never have anything negative to say about the Karolyis, but Dominique Moceanu didn’t make it in 2005 and suddenly it is all Bela and Martha’s fault.

      Last comment I promise: I don’t know who on here was a gymnast but I could not have made it through my Level 8 floor routine without sufficient water and food; much less an OLYMPIC LEVEL routine! Bottom line: if these girls were starving they would have all been falling on their asses.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Terri was talking about Bela’s US gymnastics career, not Romania…Nadia was a product of when he was coaching in Romania. She was not a US gymnast.

        I feel like girls were generally tinier back then because they were coached to peak earlier – the age limit was what, 14? The 1992 and 1996 Olympics had many gymnasts who wouldn’t have been able to even “go” if the age rule was 16 (Shannon Miller being one of them in 1992, and she nearly won the whole thing). It was moved to 15 after 1996 I believe and then eventually 16. Even Zmeskal in 1992 was very tiny compared to what she probably should have been at that age. When she came back she was ultra fit and obviously healthier.

        I used to fall for the whole “kind elderly grandpa” Bela we all observed on TV too but when I read accounts from multiple gymnasts, it was obvious he had a dark side. He apparently makes a show of “turning it on” for the tv cameras.

        I also think it takes guts for Dom to point out the faults of the coaches that did indeed make her an Olympian. I wouldn’t say her career was a failure at all. Yes, her comeback was marked with disappointment but it was obvious she was prohibited because Marta called all the shots and she had spoken out against Marta. She got blackballed, in other words. But she’s still an Olympic gold medalist. Yeah, she had some struggles here and there and didn’t do the best she was capable of at the Olympics, but she was injured. She has the same gold medal that Kerri has. The only thing Kerri had over her in that Olympics was that vault.

        Plus (sorry for all my rants) there are plenty of elite gymnasts (Christy Phillips? There was also another one who DIED) who have admitted they were anorexic during their careers to keep their weight down and avoid puberty. Bela was all about tiny girls and avoiding puberty. These girls were blatantly starving, and they made it through. Bela was all about “mental toughness” and I totally agree – I wouldn’t be near able to get through a tough workout without eating enough, but obviously this was considered a requirement for these girls. I feel bad for them. Thankfully it appears as though today the gymnasts are a lot healthier in general.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        Gym Juice,

        One thing I really like about this blog is that we can have an intelligent and respectful discussion about an issue even though we disagree. Obviously we disagree about the Karolyis but I know there are two sides to every discussion and I respect your opinion.

        In addition to what Sandy said I would add that I don’t think it is fair when some dismiss the stories of Karolyi abuse as just something coming from “disgruntled gymnasts” or girls “who couldn’t hack it.” Most of the gymnasts who called the Karolyis out on this did so within a year or two of the end of their time with the Karolyis, and did so when responding to reporters’ questions. (There was a lot of attention to this in the media during and in the aftermath of the 1992 Olympics.) They didn’t do it as part of an attempt to sell a book or anything, and didn’t proactively hold press conferences to make their statements. They also haven’t been constantly raising the issue since, nor have they otherwise used the issue to draw attention to themselves. The big exception of course is Dominique Moceanu. Personally, I think what she says about the Karolyis is the truth – because it is consistent with what so many others have said including Geza Pozar, Bela’s longtime choreograpoher. I tend to agree with Sandy’s take on Dom but I can see why so many people find her annoying.

        As far as the ex-Karolyi gymnasts who defend Bela, in particular Kim Zmeskal and Kerri Strug, it would be easy for me to attack their motives and character by saying they are just trying to ingratiate themselves to two people, Bela and Marta, who still are big power brokers in the world of gymnastics. I don’t think that it fair either though and therefore will take what they say as an honest expression of their perception of their experiences with the Karolyis. I think the ex-Karolyis gymnasts who have criticized the Karolyis, however, also expressed their honestly held beliefs.

        BTW, I don’t think Nastia in 2008 and Shannon in 1992 looked anything alike. Not sure what Nastia weighed in 2008 but she weighed nowhere near as little or was as “childlike” in appearance as Shannon, who only weighed 69 lbs. Nastia in 2008 looked a lot heathier to me than Shannon did in 1992, but it’s not a fair comparison since Nastia was 18 and Shannon was only 15.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Jordyn’s beam routine to be changed

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        YES thanks Jas. I was worried they would stay with that beam routine. Jordyn used to be so strong in it, and now it’s like they’ve added so many combinations that it’s become a struggle and just looks awkward. I was worried they’d keep it for her in the AA at the Olympics because I don’t think it’s working, and she’ll need a solid beam to beat those Russians.

        I wonder if they can keep her D score (6.3) and just alter other parts instead of adding combinations to that full back. Gabby’s beam D score is 6.4 and she doesn’t have that full back combo.

        I also hope they F*CKING upgrade Kyla’s floor routine already. She’s probably more reliable using her on floor than McKayla. McKayla’s floor was beautiful day 1 of trials but there’s that pass where she pretty much is guaranteed to step out of bounds.

      • Gymbee Says:

        I may be wrong, but didn’t Nadia in her book “letters to a young gymnast” say that Bela at some competition didn’t give them enough water, so they had to drink while under the shower and from the toilet tank?

        I definitely believe he starved gymnasts, in my eyes he is certainly not the type to care about proper and wholesome nutrition (at least not back in his coaching days)
        I’m going to check in my copy when I get home.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        Someone recently posted a link on here to a recent article from a Romanian magazine or newspaper where some of his former Romanian gymnasts are quoted as saying that Bela and Geza would actually watch them take showers to make sure they weren’t drinking the water.

      • Gymbee Says:

        Sorry, spoke to soon! That was Rodica Dunca’s saying that, about the Romanian team where Comaneci was a member.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        Yes, that’s it. Did you also see the quote in there from Ecaterina Czabo: “We were still in America in 1981 when the Karolyis stayed behind. I remember that we returned to Romania on April 1, 1981, and I was so happy on the plane that I’d escaped them! We partied so hard that the flight attendants were no match for us and I believed the plane might crash with us aboard. I’ll never forget the slaps in the face and the beatings I got from Bela Karolyi!”

        You often hear it said that “you never hear the winners complaining about Karolyi,” which of course is an attack on the every character of the girls who have complained. Czabo was one of the all-time greats so that shoots that argument.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Wow after reading this I can’t believe USAG would continue allowing the Karolyi’s to have such power and influence. They should all be damned.

        At least the Karolyi’s are old…they can’t be around too much longer, right? Still I think even these interviews would justify letting them go. Has USAG never had to respond to all this? This is awful. To not give the girls enough water makes no sense. You need water to live…

        And that he was sleeping in their rooms – part of me thinks he’s a pervert.

      • Jazzy31 Says:

        I’ve never heard anything about him sleeping in their rooms? So many gymnasts have spoken about him that if something perverted was going on, I think it would have come out by now. I think he’s just fixated on winning and sees the gymnasts as his tools to win, not as real girls who will grow into women and need to be treated right.

        Is Marta NTC forever? I would think that position would be for a certain number of years then someone else would be named. What’s the deal with that?

    • The GYM JUICE Says:

      Terri I respect all of your opinions as well, did not mean to offend anyone;) Whoever made that comment about the water, it was NOT Nadia who said that. Also, what could possibly be the harm in drinking water? You lose that weight as soon as you pee! Some wrestlers aren’t allowed to drink water IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE WEIGH IN, but other than, there is no reason to think an athlete was restricted from WATER! I call this as bullshit.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        I also can’t figure out what the possible logic would be to deprive gymnasts of water but on the other hand I don’t know why someone would make that story up either. I am almost 100% confident Bela made sure his athletes ate very little food at the Olympics because almost everyone, both US and Romanian athletes, including Nadia, have confirmed that. I can’t for the life of me figure out what the logic of that approach was. Athletes need energy to perform at their peak during an athletic competition; any fool knows that. When I ran track and competed in swimming meets our coaches would make sure we ate nutrious well-timed meals designed to provide us with peak energy during the competition. I can understand in a lot of ways why the Karolyis would have wanted to keep the calories down during training (although they did not do that the right way) but during an actual competition? It made no sense.

        BTW, I didn’t think you were trying to offend anyone. 🙂

      • Gymbee Says:

        Yeah, I checked and it was Rodica Dunca. Exactly who in their right mind would deny anyone water? No logic! But according to her, that’s what Bela did.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Yeah I don’t think that water thing was made up. He probably did that to show his power – he apparently is a power hungry type person, and will make anyone suffer to demonstrate “who’s boss.”

  100. Dee Says:

    Marta interview. She admits that she likes rivalries such as Gabby and Jordyn, and that she likes it because Gabby is pushing Jordyn to be “even one notch better”.

    So while Jordyn is self-motivated and can get the job done on her own, I think Marta is encouraging this just to make sure she does not relax even one bit. She also says how it is good for Gabby, too, but based on what she says it leads me to believe that she wants this rivalry to benefit Jordyn most.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      Probably because out of the two, Jordyn is more consistent and has the best ability to take home gold. If Gabby had Jordyn’s mental toughness, it’d be a tough fight indeed, but I don’t know how Gabby will respond to this new “it girl” status and what’s more, I really don’t know if her floor routine will score even near what she scored at nationals and Trials. The music/choreo is too NCAA I think. Her tumbling is great, but still.

      Funny thing though – two months ago I would have pegged Kyla for that second AA spot only because she was coming in so close to Jordyn at camp and because she beat Aly at Jesolo. Her floor hurts her too much though, and that’s a true bummer.

      What pissed me off during the Trials meet was that even after day 1, Marta apparently told Tim Daggett that if Nastia hit her routine, she’d STILL be considered. Despite having major epic fail moments the last three bar routines. Ridiculous.

      Anna Li’s spot was originally intended for Nastia I have no doubt. After she flubbed another bar routine though there was no way Marta could name Nastia as an alternate without being seriously called out.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        Lord knows I’m not one to defend Marta but I think her pat answer about any gymnast before last night’s competition would be “of course she is still under consideration.” I think she had her team set before last night and under no circumstances was she going to put Nastia on it. Perhaps if Nastia had hit her bars last night Marta would have made her an alternate instead of Anna Li.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        OH, and one other thing: Aly mentioned in an interview that before Trials, Marta told her that she would be on the team unless there were MAJOR epic mistakes in the competition – like basically, what Bross did on UB night 2 only for all four apparatuses. So I think those girls kind of “knew” beforehand whether or not they were making it. I think Trials was really a showcase to see who the alternates would be.

        I think even ASac knew there was no chance for her this time around; she teared up after her second vault almost knowing “that was it.” I was kind of irritated she did not get the same (or similar) treatment that Nastia did considering the effort she made to comeback not once, but twice.

  101. nero Says:

    I’ve never wanted Jordyn to win more than I do now. Jo wins nationals by a few tenths and it’s “Oh look how close Gabby is!!” Gabby wins trials by one tenth and it’s “Aha told you, the new it girl!!!”

    When Jordyn wins she loses:
    2011 American Cup, 2011 Worlds, 2012 American Cup, 2012 Visas

    And when she loses she loses:
    2012 Trials

    She got a 15.7 on beam at Pac Rims. I think when she puts it all together that can be a 15.5 at the Olympics

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      Seems like Jordyn’s new beam routine is hampering her more than helping her…I kind of hope they get rid of those stupid connections in and out of the full back.

      It seems like whoever the powers that be are do not want Jordyn to be the new “it” girl…maybe she’s too boring or lacks the personality. Gabby definitely should have come in second at those trials…she made way more mistakes overall than Jordyn and her UB routines were better, but not enough to make up the deficit. She was grossly overscored. This will change come the Olympics – think we all can agree on that.

      But I agree – seems like every time Jordyn wins there’s some negativity about it. She works so hard and is such a fierce competitor. And she never really makes major mistakes. I guess people find that “boring.”

      • gymnastwannabe Says:

        I totally agree with you. I hope Jordan rocks in London and finally gets some respect and recognition The way Marta gave Jordon’s spotlight to Gabby at Amer Cup was awful and humiliating to Jordan for her come out competition for the season, and then no one talked about how Gabby crashed at Pac Rims. I don’t wish any ill for Gabby b/c she didn’t ask for it to be fixed, but I wish she could at least be humble about it…her enthusiasm suggests she’s clueless &/or arrogant. If this was all to motivate Jordan and boost Gabby’s confidence, what an insult to both of them. I think it also has to do, though, with giving USAG media attention and $$. A rivalry raises emotions and draws people. Unfortunately, people do find consistency “boring” b/c they know what to expect…the 4 year fans USAG and NBC are appealing to are looking for entertainment. They won’t have a sell out crowd and draw in viewers if everyone knows who will win. SUCKS BIG TIME for Jordan and shows the ignorance of viewers…may Jordan dominate in London!

  102. Skullflower Says:

    This is sad:

    • nero Says:

      Oh God, that is the sweetest thing. I heard everyone was really supportive to Becca after the meet, giving her hugs etc.

      Everyone always says how Bross never seems like she’s having fun, or friends with the other girls but I think this proves otherwise. I’m glad most of these girls are real friends

      • Alex Says:

        OMG. Wow…..I knew I was a hardcore fan of that kid for a reason. What an elegant and kind thing to do. I really do hope she sticks around for Worlds.

      • Dee Says:

        That is adorable. I’m sure Becca’s heart is broken, but I never expected her to be anything less than supportive. I hope she sticks around for worlds, maybe changes gyms for a new perspective, and then finally wins a world gold. I’ve always hated how she was always the bridesmaid, never the bride. I would hate to see her walk away from the sport without at least having a golden moment of her own.

    • elitefan Says:

      That is so sweet!

      On a related note, does anyone know if the girls pick roommates themselves at the Olympics or are they assigned? I would think Aly and Jordyn would stay together, and probably McKayla and Kyla, leaving Gabby alone…I don’t like her arrogance, but I also don’t think it’s good for the team to have one girl isolated (by the way, having a “y” in your name seems to be a requirement for this team).

      • rhodanyc Says:

        Good questions. I just saw that Gabby roomed with Anna. Back in 2008 there was all that to-do about SJ and Nastia rooming together to push each other.

      • Lily Says:

        Well, in 2008, Nastia and Shawn apparently arranged it so that they would room together, so I guess they get to pick. I actually would feel really bad for Gabby if she had to room alone, maybe she’ll be with another athlete for some other sport?

      • elitefan Says:

        Yeah I’m wondering who pays for accomodations — because if it’s USAG then they’ll probably be with the “replacement athletes” which makes it an even number, but if it’s the USOC I don’t know if they let the “replacement athletes” stay in the same place. Do the gymnasts usually stay in Olympic Village? I know some sports opt to have athletes stay in separate hotels for fewer distractions.

      • nero Says:

        I think Nastia and Shawn were cordial friends back in 2008. I’m sure they roomed together for convenience also, Nastia had 4 individual events and Shawn 3. The other girls probably stayed up late gossiping about the guy swimmers and whatnot.

        The rooms at the Olympic village hold only two athletes, I’m pretty sure, so where does the 5th go? I guess all of the gymnastics teams could request a bed be moved into one of the rooms.

        Anyone know where the coaches stay? I can’t imagine they would let a group of teenagers stay in the village by themselves. And all of the top gymnastics teams seem to be under heavy watch. I can see some top swimmers/runners hanging out and going to other events during their off days but definitely not the gymnasts.

      • Gymbee Says:

        I think I remember reading that Shawn and Nastia roomed together because they had similar rhythms or something.

        The alternates stay and train in Birmingham, around 1.5 hours north of London.
        I guess Gabby would room alone, but in the Village each team has like an apartment I think? So they’d be together in the common areas, and just sleep in their rooms in theory.

    • The GYM JUICE Says:

      Back to the note: if Bross was Maroney’s roomate, I wonder who Nastia’s roomate at the trials was?

  103. doughnut sundae Says:

    As much as we talked about her and pined for this moment, I dreaded it when it happened. Watching Nastia fail was not cool. But even she could see that coming. Alicia, however, was probably blindsided. This was supposed to be her moment. Redemption had brought her back from the brink of depression and transformed her into an amazingly consistent athlete on the very apparatus that haunts her. Knowing that she is brokenhearted breaks my heart…

    Never mind Alicia as Bella practically said in his interview following Trials. The curtains have parted for her patient little sister and, like a soloist or prima ballerina who’s about to take to the stage, she can probably feel the gusts of cool air from the audience rushing to greet her. I hope Aly is the team captain. Her athletic prowess and unflappable personality uniquely qualify her for this role.

    I am so happy. My favorite gymnast is about to do this. But bliss is bittersweet. Fate has conspired against my second favorite. When juggled injuries snowballed into something the even she couldn’t ignore, her Olympic dreams became a nightmarish reality. In roughly two months Nastia’s sibling will mark the anniversary of her knee injury. But in the last 10 – from showstopper to rehab to Trials – Rebecca Bross has nothing to be ashamed of.

  104. Catherine Says:

    WHAT is the obsession with a WOGA-less team and no veterans? There is such a huge amount of people writing it off for these reasons. Ooo yes we won’t have the WOGA winning streak of a whole 2 Olympics. This team is now doomed to failure. Big overplaying of no veterans- not to degrade how great a team leader Alicia has always been, but just because these girls are all under 20 doesn’t mean they’re going to fall apart and be unmotivated. Frankly, it is insulting when people won’t stop harping on about how it’s such a young team and it’s a disgrace. Aly has already proven her mettle at this on a world stage, but that was of course before the 4-year fans kicked in. Jordyn and possibly McKayla for sheer force of personality alone would be great too. There’s no shortage guts on this team.

    • Anonymous Says:

      lol, I agree. It’s a young team, but a great one, and as for the WOGA-less part— well, Valeri has some serious soul-searching to do after the events of the last 18 months or so, that’s all I’ll say. Will not miss him in London.

    • The GYM JUICE Says:

      I know, WOGA really fell apart. I wonder if the pressure of Rebecca and Nastia both coached by Valeri competing for the same spot had anything to do with it? That had to be hard even though I’m sure Valeri did his best to help both girls. Personally I think he should have demanded that Nastia start her comeback sooner, or not at all. That would have scared her into starting the hard work 2 or 3 years out of London instead of a mere few months. As for Rebecca, she was not ready to DTY at those Nationals.

      • JAS4 Says:

    • Dee Says:

      I think it’s just the surprise of no WOGA athletes on the team that surprises everyone. It would be a rough pill to swallow if you went from being the very best gym in the world to one with no athletes on a team…but we can’t always have everything, all the time. WOGA will bounce back someday.

  105. terrigymfan Says:

    I think too much is made about the need for veteran leadership. Jordan is the natural person the girls are going to look to for leadership. She has that firm steady personality that should be fine. All she needs to do is make sure there are no petty squabbles so the team remains focused on their task. The only possible problem I see is Gabby feeling left out of the friendship circle. Mckayla and Kyla are big friends already and I think Jordan and Aly are friends. Jordan should reach out to Gabby to include her. I expect Jordan is the type of person who is going to naturally do that.

    • Dee Says:

      This team does not need veteran leadership. These girls are some of the most accomplished gymnasts in the world. They won World gold with no veterans before, and they will be fine this time, too. Kyla might not have ever competed at something like this, but she has a ton of experience, so really, a veteran was not needed.

      I could see Gabby being left out a little, too, but really…McKayla and Kyla are childhood friends, Jordyn and Aly are close…no matter who the 5th person is, they are going to be left out. Hopefully the alternates travel so Anna and Gabby can be together, since I’m pretty sure they are friends from Worlds.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        From everything I’ve heard the alternates are travelling to the Olympics and I cannot imagine they are not going to stay with the members of the main team in the Olympic village, so I don’t think there is going to be any problem finding Gabby an appropriate roommate or with her hooking up with a friend. I expect Jordan and the rest of the main team members will include her though. They all seem to be pretty nice girls to me.

      • Gymbee Says:

        I read/heard that the alternates will stay in Birmingham during the Games.

  106. Lyra Gill (@lygill) Says:

    Does anyone have any videos of Alicia’s routines?

    Also, as much as I respect Nastia’s success (Olympic champ yada-yada) I was extremely pissed off that she got such a huge reception after her beam and Alicia basically got nothing. Alicia proved the impossible to be possible after her two comebacks, and Nastia didn’t really do anything other than fall. I feel for Alicia. She should have gotten that standing ovation. This is my opinion, so feel free to disagree if you feel like it.

    And it looks like Alicia didn’t stick around to do interviews after the competition and apparently left almost immediately (according to one journalist) – I honestly think that not being named even as an alternate blindsided her.

    Nastia and Shawn are both going to London – anyone knows if Bridget and Alicia (and maybe Sam, who knows) will be going?

    • Catherine Says:

      The youtube user susaluda has both of Alicia’s vaults and her beam from day 2, probably day 1 too. She also has Mckayla’s beam and her second vault. A bit far away, but the angle is good on vault and he/she zooms into beam. Nastia’s ovations were great to see, but I agree, it’s unfair Alicia didn’t get it, though it’s probably more to do with Nastia didn’t give up blah blah reward for that as well as her big name…Alicia by contrast was a lot less dramatic as she was just nailing everything.

      I got the impression before Trials from what Alicia was saying that she was absolutely prepared for the worst. I guess it’s very different when it actually happens.

    • Lyra Gill (@lygill) Says:

      Oh, here’s a quote from Aly:

      “They took us right out,” Raisman said. (The team was introduced at the arena moments after the Olympic trials ended Sunday night.) “When I got back she was already gone. I’m sure she is pretty upset right now. It’s really hard because she had such a great competition.”

      She left THAT quickly, wow.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        I was glad they gave Nastia standing ovations but really wish they had given them to Alicia too. Maybe the crowd thought she was going to be an alternate so this wasn’t her swansong like they knew it was for Nastia. She should have been an alternate instead of Anna Li. I’m wondering if Marta and the committee thought, “Well, since the great Nastia can’t even be an alternate we certainly are not going to make Alicia one.” Marta seemed to not want anybody in the old guard except Natasia to have anything to do with this team even as an alternate.

      • Catherine Says:

        Well the big problem with that is you can’t have Price AND Sacramone, because Price’s bars are not yet good enough as a stand-in, and neither Sacramone or Finnegan have any or have good ones. Sacramone would be there if she had floor, she could displace Finnegan. The way the alternates stand now you have an outstanding bars, a decent bars, an amazing beam, a very good beam, a great floor and a very good floor and an awesome vault and a great DTY. If you take Sacramone in place of Li then bars is huge gap. If you take her in place of Finnegan then floor is a big gap.

        There are lots of thing to be pitied- a great pity Price’s bars aren’t at Jordyn level or above, a great pity Sacramone doesn’t have floor, a great pity Finnegan doesn’t have great bars, a great pity Li doesn’t have a much higher SV on beam with greater consistency. But as things stand and with the routines we have seen, this is the best team with the highest scoring potential and these are the best group of alternates as they fill all of the gaps rather than having too much of an emphasis on vault and maybe on beam whereas bars are left in an extremely vulnerable position.

      • Dee Says:

        Now that I think back to it, the crowd could have given Alicia the same recognition that they gave Nastia. Alicia’s comeback was so successful. I dont blame her for leaving…from Beijing until now, USAG and the whole sport would leave a bitter after taste for me if I were her. It’s ok not to be named to the team or be an alternate, but at least let those with long careers know they were appreciated.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        That really bothers me about Alicia…of all of the “old hens,” her comeback was most legit and she didn’t just come back once, she did it twice – she could have just as easily after the torn Achilles threw in the towel. I feel like Marta kind of disrespected her by not even naming her as an alternate, especially after the close call with McKayla and especially how ASac went above and beyond to accommodate to the “merits” of the national training program by showing up at ALL of the camps (even just after injury) and verifying her routines (which Nastia did not even do).

        I’m sorry but in my opinion it would make most sense to have her over Anna Li. I don’t think Marta would even risk putting Anna in the Olympics even if Gabby Douglas or Kyla Ross got injured. She’d put in Aly over Anna for bars, and make up the rest with a solid floor/beam/vault – which ASac could have provided (her floor could have potentially been ready by then). Anna did hit at Trials and kind of at nationals, but she still is all over the place in general and her high D score gets killed with her lack of execution. They took off almost two points on her last routine at trials – yeah she got a 15.5, but she wouldn’t get near that at the Olympics anyways and she’s just too much of a risk in terms of consistency. I’d almost rather take Bross despite the major flub day 2 (which I feel like was the cause of something that we won’t ever know about for certain).

        I feel like ASac would have made a better alternate over Finnegan even only because again, Finnegan shows nerves (I don’t know what happened to her beam day 2, but her score suggested a fall, and her floor was less then perfect both days at Trials..and at nationals she wasn’t near as spectacular as I’ve seen her), and ASac is reliable for a solid vault and a solid beam and potentially a solid floor.

        Anyways, I would bet ASac feels somewhat like her comeback was totally disrespected by Marta. I also feel like this was somewhat in the bag only because Marta gave her that team gold medal. I feel like Marta did that knowing she wouldn’t take ASac on to London, because she either wanted Nastia there in lieu or she just wanted a crop of younger girls that were “fresh” and not prone to injury.

        I hope one day she can get her “swansong” or whatever. She deserves it. Maybe DWTS will take her on instead of SJ…hahahah…she’d be better at it!

      • JAS4 Says:

        I agree if such a big deal could be made over Nastia I think they should have done the same for Alicia and I would have put her as an alternate as well! I wish that she had been able to do the FHS Double vault then she would have probably been at least an alternate for sure of not on the team

      • rhodanyc Says:

        Sanity, I agree with you that Alicia deserved a bit more recognition. I’m not crazy about her but I really admire her dedication to the sport and this comeback was inspiring. I too think she was expecting an alternate spot. However I think she really needed a solid floor routine to justify displacing Finnegan. Marta seems to be all about generating the highest possible point-scoring potential, and Anna, Sarah and Ebee bring that in a big way with bars/beam/vault, respectively. In a world where every tenth counts, ASac just couldn’t bring it.

        And yeah, handing her the Worlds gold was bizarre and probably fucked with her head. I am of the mind that Marta had no intentions of ever putting ASac on another Olympic team, but was happy to string her along for three years a) to keep the other girls on their toes in thinking that ASac was legit competition for them, the Karolyis love to do that shit and b) because USA Gym loves the viewers she brings. Just my two cents.

      • JAS4 Says:

        I think you might be right but it was rumored last year that Alicia was going to do the front handspring double vault at Worlds last year and was supposedly training an Amanar for a second vault if she had successfully done that and had not torn her Achilles with that vault and her floor and beam I think Marta would have had no choice but to take her over Maroney but with her Achilles injury it was the perfect excuse for Marta to brush her aside

      • Gymbee Says:

        Hahaha let’s start a twitter campaign “Alicia on DWTS”🙂

        I totally agree about Alicia. I was so bummed at her not being named an alternate.
        I think she could have gone in instead of Finnegan. For bars there would be Jordyn, Gabby, Kyla, and if push comes to shove Aly and Price. Alicia would backup her events, and yes, who knows, floor😦

  107. JAS4 Says:

    • Gymbee Says:

      When Marta was looking down at her papers during Alicia’s vaults I knew the decision was made.”@aprilknick:— Dominique Moceanu (@Dmoceanu) July 3, 2012

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        She is biased. She is friendly with Alicia and she has a hidden agenda. She is probably really happy Alicia wasn’t named. Now she can bitch about it.

      • Gymbee Says:

        True. Also, why was she watching Marta and not Alicia’s vault? (I was trying out that embedding thing that JAS tried to teach me, not with much success it seems!😉 )

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        She was probably watching Marta the entire time and taking notes. Good for Dom, muahahahahaha…

  108. JAS4 Says:

    • Catherine Says:

      That Cheng will be pulverised in execution if it stays like’s hoping it improves! Iordache’s amanar looks okay, ie. not scary or Nabieva like, though not the best angle to see. Nice to see Romania stepping up their game but I wouldn’t say Maroney of the perfect form will be too worried. Chuso and Ti Phan should be!

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I like Chuso but I’m kind of sick of seeing her ugly vault. I only want her to medal for her story. If we were talking gymnastics though I’d prefer for her to stay off the podium entirely.

  109. nero Says:

    I’m still not seeing how Asac fits in as an alternate, she has no floor routine or a bar routine. Price can fill in anywhere and everywhere, Finnegan fills a beam/floor role like if Raisman were to go down.

    Anna is solely there if something happens to Gabby. All three are the perfect fillers for the 5 member team.

    If Asac had floor she would be alternate over Finnegan, but she doesn’t. I’m really not seeing a problem here

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      IMO , Alicia fits because she actually hits. Finnegan is not getting connections on beam at the Olympics much like Mcool did not gets hers.

      I know Alicia fell at the Olympics but I said it before and I’ll say it again, she will never miss another beam routine and since 2008 she hasn’t.

      Finnegan is a gorgeous gymnast but she is not exactly a model of consistency.She is all over the place on her best events.

      • Gymbee Says:

        Exactly. I think they should consider alternates expected performances filling in for a woman down at the actual team finals. Most gymnasts would be petrified by nerves. I know that in theory, just looking at which events the alternates can fill in, these alternates make sense.
        But if someone were to go down, you’d want a solid back-up, someone they could trust not to break break down.

      • nero Says:

        I think Finnegan was chosen more for floor than anything. You also have to look at the really scary situation of if you have to use all three alternates

        Having Anna and Alicia without floors is very dangerous. If Jo, Aly and Gabby all went down you would have to use Mckayla, Price and Kyla on floor.

        Like I said, if Asac had floor she would be there.

      • Dee Says:

        I think they wanted more AA’ers than event specialists for reserve athletes because of the 5 team format. Less girls to re-arrange the lineup with, so the reserves need to have more events. I think the one specialist, two AA reserve format was smart. Naturally, since everyone is so worried about bars, the specialist would be for bars, not beam or vault…which we all know were ASac’s only events. I think that is why she was not an alternate at the end of the day.

        I also think that Finnegan and Price were choosen so that they would get this experience and then use it throughout the next quad. I think it was a way to slate the next USA leaders. I think a lot will be expected of them both in the upcoming quad, if they decide to continue.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      You think Anna is there for Gabby but I have a feeling that Marta wants to use her for all four events (in quals – no beam at finals and possibly no floor), barring any injuries.

  110. JAS4 Says:

    • nero Says:

      Fair. Jo is doing all four in team finals, she deserves to have her coach there.

      I think other coaches can come onto the floor as long as the other leaves. Chow was the head coach in Beijing, but Valeri was there during bars rotation. I’m sure they would do that for Gabby, have Chow there for her during bars.

      Oh snap, just looked at the videos. Mihai was there during vault, Valeri for bars and Chow for beam and floor. hmmmmm

  111. Gymbee Says:

    Btw, have you guys seen anything on youtube of Rebecca Bross’ beam from trials day 2? So bummed it wasn’t shown on NBC, I’m hoping someone in the audience caught it.

  112. Gymbee Says:

    Jeeez. Cheer up Marta. “I am not overly disappointed”. She just makes me so mad, to think they have this old biased corrupt woman as their boss.

    • Dee Says:

      There were good and bad parts of that interview. I kept thinking, for crap’s sake, you could act a little happier about choosing a really great team!

  113. Steph Says:

    “The final days of home training went extremely well. The details that often fall victim to the time crunch, started materializing, piece by piece. You could actually see Jordyn’s confidence meter pushing towards swagger.”-John Geddert
    I thought you guys might enjoy this quote.

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