Buzz, Buzz, Buzz and other things

Jonathon Horton likes honey Does Haley know?

The FIG is worried about gymnastics losing it’s artisty? I don’t know how we can trust them I mean come on, they called what Nastia did artistic.

Nellie Kim openly cheated in 1992 when she was a judge and now she is in charge of the sport (Hello a 10 for Bogi on bars. On what planet?)

Bruno has some competition but is the alternative any better? Adrian Stoica or a Russian (Vassily Titov ) is hardly an improvement. Russia in charge of anything will only make the sport more fixed then it already is.

To hell with these choices. I say we put Michelle Kwan in charge of the sport.



66 Responses to “Buzz, Buzz, Buzz and other things”

  1. sanitynmotion Says:

    I second that.

    I also put Michelle Kwan in charge of the US.

  2. tulip Says:

    Just caught Nastia on Piers Morgan (On Demand). Good god the girl is absolutely certain that she will compete in London. Not only that, she thinks she can win gold again. I definitely got the impression that the team has been decided and she is on it. She was that confident of her being on it. Grrr….

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      This is why I don’t watch Nastia interviews.

      • tulip Says:

        And this is why you are smarter than me πŸ™‚

      • JAS4 Says:

        Marta says there is no petitioning directly to the team does anyone think there could be an exception for Maroney if she isn’t ready at trials?

    • Dee Says:

      I highly doubt that she will accept any petitions onto the team this time around…I’m sure as people get injured/mess up she just crosses them off in her mind.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Yeah especially since most everyone has an Amanar or a solid DTY and since Maroney is really only stand out on that event if she isn’t ready at trials I don’t think she would petition her to the team if she was worried about the vault event final medal then she would probably just send Alicia instead because even if she didn’t get the gold on vault she would likely medal but then again this is Marta and USAG we are talking about so anything is possible lol

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        If anything, I can see Marta naming Maroney as the traveling alternate and then switching something around last minute so Maroney competes.

      • JAS4 Says:

        I could see that happening as well anything is possible with Marta I think if Alicia wants a shot at the team she needs to have the FHS double and/or show them she can be ready on floor by the Olympics

  3. JAS4 Says:

    I say put Memmel in charge lol

  4. Biyatch Says:

    So rando thoughts but just saw the statement that USAG made about McKayla and her being concussed. For what its worth the statement really said nothing at all. But concussions can be tres messy and you never really know with them. So if McKayla isn’t available at trials, and USAG hold to their statement that you must compete at trials to be named to the Olympic team it puts a wrench in the most easily predicted team of Jordyn, Aly, Gabby, Kyla and McKayla. That 5th spot is again up for grabs.

    I feel that at this point the US isn’t going to go the bar specialist route. Maybe if Nastia didn’t metaphorically fall on her ass repeatedly at Visas I could see it but that ship I believe has sailed. Bross is still Bross and Anna Li is someone (as indicated by staying on as the alternate during last years worlds when Alicia was on the other side of the country) not deemed reliable enough by Martha.

    The two left with monster scores on vault up their sleeves are Price and ASac. Price has a great amanar and usable bar set on her side plus great tumbling, yet lacks exposure and experience. Alicia has a better shot then not of picking up an individual vault medal, whats become a reliable beam set since she’s unretired, and possibly floor (?).

    What I think would be quite intriguing is lets say Alicia gets the final spot… whose beam is not used in prelims, and thus of the four who gets bumped out of the AA. Of Jordyn, Aly, Kyla, Gabby and Alicia, Gabby is clearly in normal circumstances would get the bump, but the media is building Gabby up and I wonder what the thought/reaction would be if she doesn’t get to go for the A/A.

    Vault becomes a question too. Alicia and Jordyn would be solid in both prelims and TF but which other two vaults would you but up. Again Gabby’s consistency with her Amanar is questionable. Aly’s form tends to suck but she more or less hits. Kyla was downgraded to a DTY at Visa’s.

    Even with Maroney, whose floor exercise gets passed over. Kyla is the lowest D score, but McKayla hasn’t really hit cleanly yet this year.

    Who gets left out of the AA party?

    • JAS4 Says:

      If Marta has her way I think it will be Kyla that gets left out of the AA

      • Dee Says:

        At this point I just cant see Marta leaving Aly out of the AA. I would love to see Ross, but with Jordyn, I dont think it will happen unless she majorly screws up…then I could see Ross and Aly.

        I sort of think Marta will be riding Gabby’s ass so hard about the UB final that she will skip having her be in the AA so she can focus on bars.

        Just my two cents, though!

      • JAS4 Says:

        I think Gabby should just focus on bars and just be prepared to back up any event in case of injury as well but Marta seems to have this new obsession with Gabby vs Jordyn rivalry and Gabby seems to be Marta’s main favorite right now

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        With quals being set up the way it is (4 up, 3 count) only 3 women can really go for the AA competition. Internationally, Kyla will beat Aly any day. However, at nationals we all saw how Kyla was kept at 4th place. Same will likely occur at Trials. So we know what Marta wants those three women to be: Jordyn, Gabby, and Aly.

        Aly will have a good shot for the AA if Gabby effs up.

        I think it should be Jordyn, Gabby, and Kyla (Aly’s had two shots at the world podium and keeps missing it because of bars) but that’s just my opinion.

      • hurms22 Says:

        The 3 count is only for the team qualification score right? I’m pretty sure the fourth score would count but as individual. Could be wrong.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Yeah only three count towards the team and the fourth is just for individual which is why I don’t understand why they can’t have 5 up 3 count in prelims that way anyone on the team can try to make the top two AA spots

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        3 up 3 count is for team finals. Before that is the qualifications round, where it’s 4 up 3 count, so each team can drop the lowest score on each apparatus. Quals is also used to qualify for event finals and the all around, so basically with a 4 up 3 count effort, the maximum number of women that can go for that AA is 3…unless you don’t use one of your girls at all. Which would make no sense on a 5-member team.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        I agree JAS4! Why on earth don’t they just make it 5 up 3 count in quals? It makes no sense to force coaches to exclude 1 or even 2 girls from having a chance at aa finals. That is the way they used to do it – everybody competed on every event in team competion and had a chance at making aa finals. I can’t for the life of me figure out what they were thinking with some of these rule changes.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Yeah it makes someone get screwed over and in the case of the USA it leaves it up to Marta to decide so even if Kyla would score higher than Aly or Gabby outside the USA she still won’t get the chance because Gabby and Aly are her favorites if U.S. trials were actually fair and had nothing to do with Marta then I would say the top three at trials get to go for the AA but it would really be better if they did a 5 up 3 count and if a country only had say 3 gymnast that do the AA and say they has a bars/beam specialist and a vault/floor specialist then they could just put 4 up on each event it basically wouldn’t matter as long as they had at least 3 people for each event

      • The GYM JUICE Says:

        Can’t there only be two from each country in the AA final?

      • JAS4 Says:

        Yeah the top two with the highest scores but if the USA does take the team of Jordyn, Gabby, Aly, Kyla, McKayla then there will only be room for 3 of them to fight for the 2 AA spots with the 4 up 3 count line up in prelims because Maroney has to be used on vault in prelims to qualify for vault EF

      • Bethany Humphrey Says:

        Oh okay. Yeah I think Kyla deserves to be used in the AA. Even though she was fourth at Nationals I think internationally she could outscore Aly and Gabby. She has that great look to her body, it reminds me of Nadia Comaneci actually. I think internationally Gabby might actually score lower than both Aly AND Kyla but we all know Marta would never leave her out of the AA!

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Ross is not doing floor. Marta will make sure of that so Gabby gets that second spot. Ross will be scored better outside of the US. She always is. I think her bars scores will be close to the same but execution scores are almost never over a 9 on bars.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Yeah if Gabby has no major errors she will beat Aly out for the second AA spot because her form is better than Aly’s I really hope Jordyn doesn’t mess up cause that would leave Aly and Gabby in the AA

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Gabby’s form on beam is crap. Aly has no form so crap beats no form. Gabby however is capable of falling on her ass (I predict bars) Aly has a chance to beat her

      • Biyatch Says:

        I still wonder about Gabby on beam though. And don’t forget Aly is a Marta pet too.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        How is Gabby’s form on beam crap? She has great leaps (better than Nastia) and points her toes (something Aly can’t seem to do to save her life)…

        I admit Gabby is a risk though. Yet we know the outcome with Aly (won’t make podium unless someone messes up) so might as well give Gabby a chance.

        In fact, if Maroney is the fifth team member, all four of those girls should duke it out in quals, and save Maroney’s vault (and maybe floor) for the team finals. THAT would be the best way to go about this.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Maroney has to do vault in prelims to qualify for EF on vault so that’s why only three of the AAers will get to battle it out because one of the AAers has to be left off for Maroney to qualify to EF because it’s 4 up 3 count in prelims the only way all four of them could battle it out would be if the fifth person had no shot at a individual or AA medal and wasn’t used at all in prelims

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Oh yeah duhhhh…so it will come down to three girls. My vote is Jordyn, Gabby, and Kyla. I’m sorry I love Aly but that girl’s form is so bad – the one thing going for her is consistency. I just don’t see her making that podium though at all unless someone messes up big time (i.e., Komova falls off the beam).

      • JAS4 Says:

        Yeah I think Kyla or Gabby could out score Aly internationally but I want to see what happens at triala if Gabby falls more there or at camp after then I would say let Kyla and Aly have the other AA spots and just have Gabby focus on Bars since she is most needed for that and while I don’t see her beating Komova, Mustafina, or Tweedle in bars EF given the lack of consistency among the Russians if she does up her difficulty to 6.9 I could see her possibly getting a medal

  5. Luke Says:

    Curious how you justify the statement that implies Nastia is not artistic when almost 99 percent of people involved the sport disagrees with you.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      Nastia is artistic compared to Shawn Johnson. She is not artistic compared to the worlds best gymnasts of all time.

      Ask anyone to name a list of the most artistic gymnasts of all time and I can guarantee you she will not be on any list.

      When you compare a ruby to a rock it is beautiful. If you compare a ruby to a diamond it pairs in comparison. Your standards are low if you think moving your arms around is artistic.

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      Nastia has some great toe point and her body build forms very nice lines – when she keeps her legs together.

      Her dance quality was “ok”…at best.

      I think people get “artistic” confused with “nice lines.” Nastia has nice lines (like I said) but she’s not nearly as artistic as, say well Nadia.

      Even Cheng Fei on floor was by far superior to Nastia in terms of artistry. The whole Chinese team in general are leaps and bounds more artistic than Nastia.

      That Mo chick in the 90’s would be on my “most artistic” list…let’s see, others I might include here:

      Svetlana Boguinskaya and Svetlana Khorkina…
      Anna Pavlova
      Ana Pogras (Nastia can’t hold a MATCH to Ana)
      Mustafina is even more artistic. Despite her helicopter legs during twisting elements
      I even think Terin Humphrey was more artistic. Even though she’s a twat for voting against Chellsie Memmel.
      Courtney McCool
      Shannon Miller, duh – even though that scrunchie did not help
      Hollie Vise

      I know I’m totally forgetting a bunch…

      • terrigymfan Says:

        When you say “artistic,” you mean beautiful and graceful, someone who inspires the same kind of thoughts that come to your mind as when you see a truly great painting, or read a truly great poem. As opposed to someone just demonstrating incredible athletic feats, is that right? I just want to be sure I understand what we are talking about here.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I think “artistic” as someone who makes a move “their own” so to speak…you think of a certain element or a certain style and it conjures up an image of someone who did it best. That’s kind of my take…someone who can take a move and make it almost unique, even when it isn’t.

        Also, someone who is able to perform to a point that makes you “feel” something. Michelle Kwan did this to a tee.

        You notice how Nastia does not have one move or element named after her. Not like you need that to be artistic, but it can be used to prove a point. Whatever Nastia did or performed was never “her own.” She had great lines but she never made me “feel” anything when she performed either. There just wasn’t much special about her or unique about her relative to other gymnasts who “also” had good toe points and nice lines.

      • terrigymfan Says:

        Thanks Sandy. I think the part where you say the gymnast makes you “feel” something is similar to what I was saying about a truly great piece of art or a poem. You usually can’t exactly say why but it evokes deep feelings. The same can be said for something that is original.

  6. JAS4 Says:

    Any thoughts on this?

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      So 3 of 10 moments are dedicated to 1984, an Olympics that shouldn’t even count for gymnastics since the Russian Federation (who was the dominant force at the time) wasn’t even there. Mary Lou and Bart Connor and Tim Crackett should be sending them thank you letters every day for their “free” gold medals.

      Why Bela’s retirement would be a memorable Olympic moment is beyond me. He wasn’t even an athlete. Give me a break.

      Again, Shannon’s 1992 performance is completely ignored. She pretty much beat Gutsu, should have, and yet even a silver was the best any American had done at a non-boycotted Games at that point She deserves way more credit than Mary Lou ever did. And the margin was like what, .02 of a point or something.

      Paul Hamm should also be sending someone a thank you for his gimme gold medal. I don’t follow men’s gymnastics but I remember there was a score controversy, I think the judge later said sorry, he made a mistake, but by then it was too late. What a disgrace. No wonder the sport gets crapped on for its bias.

      But I do love how Carly and Nastia are lumped together – like their achievements don’t even count for their own line item.

      Again, just proves to me that Yahoo! writers are a bunch of morons and clearly don’t follow the sport.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Yeah when I saw that the first four were dedicated to a boycotted Olympics I knew who ever wrote it must not follow gymnastics at all lol

      • Dee Says:

        “#2) In 1984 at the Los Angeles Summer Olympics, the women’s team won the silver medal in the team competition. This is their highest placing in history so far.”

        And then further down the article they state that the Mag 7 won gold.


    • gymtruthteller Says:

      It was a better list then that other one that had Annia Hatch but the 84 games were a joke. Only Julianne Mcnamara had a shot at gold (on UB)

  7. Anthony Says:

    Cheng Fei’s double-double was more artistic than Nastia’s butt shelf, su(POSE)ed dance. If you want a real ‘artistic’ routine watch Meng Fei, Anna Pavlova, Ana Porgras, Cheng Fei (in ’04), Lilia Podkopayeva, Daniela Silivas etc etc (These are just a few off the top of my head… Actually particularly watch Meng Fei.

  8. JAS4 Says:

    Australian team announced

  9. JAS4 Says:


    • sanitynmotion Says:

      I agree completely about the artistic thing…although I really do like Mustafina. She’s just got that “warrior” expression. Jordyn has it as well but there’s part of me that kind of agrees with the sentiment that Jordyn gets a bit boring…because she’s so consistent and there’s no “flare” to her. She’s like a machine.

  10. JAS4 Says:

    Geddert on preparing for trials

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      I can’t help but think Geddert is really loving the newfound attention as well, and if he’s going to be super depressed if Jordyn retires after this Olympic round.

  11. JAS4 Says:

    • sanitynmotion Says:

      This interview makes me appreciate people like ASac, even though she was a brat in ’08 with SJ.

      Someone please give Aly some media training. Every interview she gives she sounds like a robot. Like she’s dead inside or something.

      • JAS4 Says:

        If Alicia doesn’t make the team I would love to
        see her stick around for Worlds but from what she said in the article I don’t think that would happen

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I know. I actually am pulling for her to make this team. To not only put in the effort to make a comeback (YEARS before the next Olympics, btw – not months) but to also go through a major injury within six months of the Olys and STILL plug away at it even though everything seems to be going against you – that’s pretty darn remarkable. And I admire that about her. No matter her fake nails. She’s got guts.

        I think I’m almost even split on hoping Maroney or ASac makes it. Part of me wants ASac to make it more only because of her redemption thing she’s got going on. Then I think “well Maroney might not be healthy/able in four years, and ASac’s already been to the Olympics.” UGH. No matter what it’s going to suck for someone.

        I really wish I could know what ASac thinks about Liukin’s “comeback.” I really do think she thinks the whole thing is BS, but she’ll never say anything out loud for us to know. It spoke volumes when she never even spoke to Nastia at nationals though.

      • JAS4 Says:

        I would love for her to do the Front Handspring Double Vault at Trials because I would love to see her do that Vault before she retires

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        She might not have spoken on camera but no one knows what was said when the camera’s were not around

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I know. Me too. Kind of like how I wish I could have seen what Shawn Johnson was planning…which she’s been keeping oddly silent about.

        She tweets about everything now, from her Coca Cola trips to what she’s drinking (who the hell cares)…it’s getting kind of annoying. Like almost as if she’s riding this fame train until it dies a few months after London.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Yeah if Alicia thinks her achilles can handle it then she should do the Front Handspring Double if Maroney is in good health it’s pretty much her only shot at making the team unless she has an awesome floor routine ready

    • terrigymfan Says:

      Aly could use a few grammar lessons: “Me and Alicia are really close; we’re basically like sisters . . .” LOL

  12. sanitynmotion Says:

    I think Bekah’s right on here:

    Although I’m sure JAS posted this already. πŸ™‚

    • JAS4 Says:

      Lol nope πŸ™‚ that is interesting though I wonder about the e scores of the non all around girls like Alicia and where they would fit in

    • doughnut sundae Says:

      Bekha’s got a huge problem – she makes sense. Funny thing is Marta doesn’t.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Marta almost never makes since lol! I wish Gabby had gone to Jeselo instead of Pacific Rims so that we could see how she scores internationally with her upgrades but that’s probably exactly what Marta didn’t want lol

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Bekah making sense scares me. What did she say?

      • JAS4 Says:

        She made a list of the gymnast from nationals by E score I think Kyla was first then Jordyn, Gabby, and Aly was fourth and I think Price was fifth

      • doughnut sundae Says:

        It is a rough measure of consistency, using a metric that is simple enough for everyone to understand, calculate and replicate. Nominating athletes by E scores would be inarguable. But America’s national team coach wants basket cases ’till the bitter end, so logic is out of the question.

  13. Catherine Says:

    I’m really looking forward to not being able to see the live stream or archived footage of trials thanks to region-blocking. NBC are dicks. And yes this is news to me as I watched everything else this year on universal, youtube for everything past and will have olympics on bbc. But I want trials!! Wankers. It better fly up on youtube really fast.

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