Against my better judgement

I didn’t want to write this blog. Nastia gets enough attention but this article where she admits she has only been training for 6 months (which really means 4 months) is about the most arrogant thing I have ever read.

Article.

To have the nerve to start training 6 months before the Olympics and brag about it?

She will only be competing beam at Classics.

Sigh.

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134 Responses to “Against my better judgement”

  1. Exgymgurl Says:

    That’s so weird… I work out at the gym and get so tired I can barely walk… Maybe I should be an Olympic gymnast

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      lol

    • Dee Says:

      ahhahahahahahahah
      my hamstrings hurt today from using the elliptical last night…do you think i now have a shot at the team?

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        Sure Dee just get some ginormous courtney kupets grips like GTT loves and youll be ready !!! I mean what a crock of BS other than like 2009 nationals when she wasnt really serious and just did beam. I think she and shawn were told to get ready for the tour. A watered down beam rputine doesnt exactly fit. I wanted to say that personally I would love a chinese team with at least 4 people that are age eligible DLL JYY HX and CF 🙂 and look like they are age eligible and not 12

      • Dee Says:

        LOL

        I wonder if she gave up on the floor routine. Sort of sounds like it.

  2. exgymnastmomx3 Says:

    I’ve lost the last little piece of respect I had left for her. Ugh!

  3. JAS4 Says:

    I don’t think it was and Olympic media summit I think it was a Nastia media summit lol

  4. Shawn Fan! Says:

    luv your blog, but please….please for all that is good and pure, stop with all the nastia posts…..too much for one day…..can’t take anymore…..nastia makes me hate gymnastics and the olympics

  5. Dee Says:

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/more-sports/olympics/20120303-hairopoulos-olympic-hopeful-rebecca-bross-must-battle-back-from-devastating-knee-injury-to-secure-spot-on-u.s.-gymnastics-team.ece

    Article about Bross/her recovery.

  6. terri3975 Says:

    When did they change the team scoring that allows for a gymnast to be on the Olympic team and compete as a “specialist” in only one or two events? That wasn’t the case in the old days when every member of the team had to at least be decent in all four events or it was definitely going to hurt the team’s chances for a medal. I liked the old system better. It was easier to understand and you had better all-around gymnasts. You wouldn’t have this nonsense of someone like Nastia trying to make the team as a “specialist” if we went back to the old system of determining the team scores.

    • Dee Says:

      Yea the specialist thing elludes me…I feel like from 2004 until now it suddenly became ok to just…pick and choose what events to compete.

      • terri3975 Says:

        Another problem with the new team scoring system is it means there is not really good objective way of saying how the U.S. team should be picked. It is therefore a convenient excuse for having the team picked by a secret committee headed by Marta. They can always say they needed this specialist or that specialist instead of a better all-around gymnast, when in reality they picked someone like Nastia because of polititics or the desire to grab more media attention.

      • Dee Says:

        I knew from the beginning there would be NO WAY that there will not be a secret committee involved. I think the top 5 AA on the score board at the end of trials should be the team but there is no way that Marta would allow that. It would mean no secret camp or committee!

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        Dee let me explain how things work in DEVA USA at our national training center. Like the unified team putting gutsu in in 1992 and belu pulling out marinescu for amanar in 1996 and well basically the coaches putting who they want in the different event and AA finals regardless of score, the Karolyis keep this tradition alive and well. All of this has happened before and it will all happen again. Its been 12 yrs since raducan won AA gold in sydney. The romanians are due….. The russians bought it for nastia in 08….. shes a blood line of their athletes. Question why if we know that in 1992 at least two romanian gymnasts were not age eligible have they not lost their team medal like the chinese team in 2000 did? Silver from 1992 would make Betty Okino and Dawes and Miller and Zmeskal and Strugg more irrelevant how? I have no idea who the 6 and 7 athletes were…. Oh yeah i know why marta wont complain to fig about romania….

      • Dee Says:

        ….bah haha how did I forget that Marta & Bela are Romanian?!

        Of course they would never say a word. And it seems like they learned from the best about how to manipulate a team to their liking.

    • Sandy Says:

      Exactly. I say both the men’s and women’s teams need to be selected in the same fashion. The fact that for the women’s team is selected via closed-door meetings and “camps” (more hype and popularity for women’s gymnastics in general) tells me right off the bat that some dirty politics is going on. If Marta had her way she’d be doing an additional two-week selection camp after this year’s trials to determine which girls are going. It’s almost like she prefers to break them down physically before the Olympics – like last leotard standing fiasco. The fact that there were only four healthy girls out of six in ’08 should have clued SOMEONE in to what was going on, and should have led to a forced retirement for Ms. Marta – especially considering they came home with the silver, and were expected to win gold (hrm….de ja vu, anyone?)…

      • Dee Says:

        So that means we should expect 2 out of 5 to be healthy by the time the plane lands in London, I guess! Another theory of mine is that during the pre-Olympic prep camp someone gets “injured” and then an alternate that was not named at Trials is brought on the team. I just cannot believe with the way things are right now that the team that walks into the London arena will be the same one that was named at trials.

      • terri3975 Says:

        Sandy/Dee: Have you heard about what happened in 1992 when the screwed Kim Kelly out of a place on the 1992 Olympic team? I think it was about the first time they used a “secret committee” to pull a stunt like that and it truly is one of the most horrible things I have every heard of in sport. Needless to say Bela and Marta were in the center of it all.

      • Sandy Says:

        Terri: do tell…I was about 10 years old at the time and literally had just started following gymnastics (Shannon Miller fan, so I don’t remember who Kim Kelly was…I only remember Miller, Zmeskal, and Okino from that time period)…I’d be curious! I’m sure there are a lot of people in the gymnastics community who are just counting the days until the Karolyi reign is over…

      • JAS4 Says:

        I am much more a fan of the top five AAers making the team if you have a team with specialist it leaves no room in case of injury like if two people that do bars were injured even though Aly’s bars aren’t great at least she can do bars if no one else can but if two vaulters get injured and Nastia is on the team then they are screwed since she doesn’t even train vault

      • terri3975 Says:

        The Kim Kelly story is a little long. Probably will be tomorrow before I can get to it. It’s really unbelievable though.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Probably not the full story about Kim Kelly bit I found these on google

        http://www.nytimes.com/1992/07/11/sports/olympics-gymnast-s-coaches-dispute-vote.html

        http://articles.mcall.com/keyword/kim-kelly

      • JAS4 Says:

        Probably not the full story about Kim Kelly bit I found these on google

        http://www.nytimes.com/1992/07/11/sports/olympics-gymnast-s-coaches-dispute-vote.html

        http://articles.mcall.com/keyword/kim-kelly

        http://www.gymn.ca/gymnasticgreats/wag/kelly.htm

      • Dee Says:

        I have heard it and it was total BS. Feel free to share again, though, since I love a good story 🙂

        But really, what they did to Kelly was gross.

      • terri3975 Says:

        The story about Kim Kelly is a little long so please bear with me. As a little background on me, though, I first became a fan of womans’ gymnastics with the 1984 Olympics when I was about eleven even though I participated in other sports myself (mainly running and swimming). I followed woman’s gymnastics pretty closely the next several years through the 1996 Olympics but paid less attention thereafter because by that time I had gotten married and started having kids. Recently my interest in gymnastics has been rekindled as my daughters have gotten older. However, I do tend to know a lot more about the 1980’s and 1990’s generations than the later gymnasts.

        Kim Kelly was a Parkette’s gymnast. In 1992 the US Gymnastics Federation (now USA Gymnastics) established the criteria for making the US. Olympic Team as a combination of scores from the US. Nationals (30%) and the Olympic Trials (70%). Kim finished 6th at the Nationals and 4th at the Olympic Trials. At the conclusion of the Olympic Trials, the public address announcer introduced the top seven finishers (6 main members including Kim plus Michelle Campi as the alternate) to the crowd as “the 1992 U.S. Olympic Team.”

        The trouble was that Betty Okino had been injured and missed both the Nationals and the Trials and a lot of people within USFG wanted her on the team. Also, Michelle Campi had missed the Nationals due to injuries and a lot of people thought she should be higher than an alternate. In addition, 1992 was at the very height of the movement to field a team full of prepubescent gymnasts – the thought was that the US was never going to beat the former Soviet and Eastern European powerhouses without doing so. If you look at 1992 photos of Shannon Miller, Kim Zmeskal, Kerri Strug, and others who were on that team, you will know what I mean. Kim Kelly, however, was 18 and had hips and boobs and didn’t fit into this image, so a lot of people wanted to get her off the team. So after the team had already been established based on the results of the Olympic Trials and Nationals, USFG invoked an obscure bylaw that said it could throw out all results and select the team however it wanted to do so. What they did was invite 8 gymnasts to Brown’s Gym in Orlando. The 8 were the seven that had qualified plus Okino. Brown’s Gym was the home of Wendy Bruce, one of the gymnasts. They then had each girl perform a series of routines in front of just the coaches of the girls involved. No media, no judges, and no cameras were allowed. Afterwards they took a secret vote, each coach writing down the name of the seven girls he or she wanted on the team and, by implication, the single girl he or she wanted off the team. Bela Karolyi got two votes because he had two girls there.

        By all accounts Kim performed all her routines flawlessly. But she was the one voted off. Rick Newman, who was Campi’s coach (there is a whole story behind that) and quite frankly one of the biggest jerks around, said afterwards without remorse and in an almost bragging way there was all sorts of talk among the coaches prior to the voting that Kim Kelly did not have the right “body type.” Donna Strauss of the Parkettes was the only coach who did not vote to get Kim off the team. She told the other coaches when it was over that she hoped they could live with their consciences after what they did. Of course that was not a problem with a lot of them because they had no conscience.

        I don’t think this process was Bela Karolyi’s idea but once it was established he jumped in full throttle to make sure Kim was not selected. He was politicking and arranging voting blocks like crazy against Kim the whole time. I think he not only didn’t like her because of her “body type,” but he didn’t like her because a year earlier, at the USA-Romania dual meet in Houston, she and Chelle Stack, who were older gymnasts, stepped out of bounds during their floor exercises. Bela was embarrassed that his home country Romania beat him and he blamed it all on Kim and Chelle. He went ballistic afterwards in the press complaining that “the older girls cannot keep up with the younger girls.” Bela got Chelle back in other ways (I have discussed Chelle elsewhere on this blog). I think he got Kim Kelly back in 1992 by ensuring she did not get to go to the Olympics despite earning it. Bela was extremely vindictive – once a girl got on his bad side he was extremely cruel to her. Of course, whenever I say Bela, you may as well insert “Marta” in there because she was behind most of what he did.

        In his typical belacose way, Bela complained about the “unfairness” of the process. All he really complained about though was the fact that he could not have more of his gymnasts attend the Brown’s Gym session. And his complaints came mostly after the fact and certainly do not excuse the fact he did everything he could to screw over Kim.

        A little known aspect of this is that Michelle Campi reinjured herself right before the Olympics. The U.S. showed up without an alternate. If in fact another gymnast had gotten hurt, the U.S. would have been disqualified from the team competition!

        The worst part about this whole thing was that this involved a lovely young woman who had put her heart and sole into this. We are not talking about screwing over some adult professional athlete or anybody like that (not that screwing over anybody is appropriate). Even today I find the incident to be one of the most disgusting and cruel things I have ever heard of in sport.

      • JAS4 Says:

        I am afraid history will repeat it self again this year and the team chosen at trials won’t be the team going to London

      • Sandy Says:

        Wow Teri thanks for sharing…your story was way more insightful than what I could find on Google, which basically said she made the team, then a secret vote held kicked her off. Why make rules if nobody is going to follow them? Man, looking at this I wouldn’t want my child NEAR a gym. The Karolyis need to just leave. Although I’m sure they have replacements in mind already that will just go ahead and do the same thing. Bela has been dead set against the age rule forever, and I always knew it had something to do with girl’s bodies – it’s like he’s against having hips/boobs or something.

        And isn’t it weird he and Marta never had any children of their own? What, they get off on abusing other peoples’ kids more? Sick family. Yet the US embraces them. Go figure.

      • terri3975 Says:

        Actually Sandy Bela and Marta do have a daughter. She lives in New Waverly, Texas which is the small town near Karolyi’s Ranch. She runs a catering business and the Ranch is her biggest client. She has a degree in nutrition management of all things. Kind of ironic given that proper nutrition was about the last thing the Karolyis were ever interested in. She never was involved in gymnastics. From all I’ve heard she actually is a pretty normal person. I don’t think Karolyi’s gymnasts ever had much contact with her though.

        Interestingly in 1981 Bela and Marta defected to the US leaving their daughter behind. They really had no idea what was happening to her or what the Communists were doing to her. They ended up getting her out after several months. You can form your own judgment of parents who would leave their daughter behind in those circumstances.

      • Sandy Says:

        Oh – wow wonder why they didn’t make their daughter do gymnastics…that actually speaks a lot. But to leave your daughter behind like that? Wow. Why didn’t they take her? Guess there will be a nice spot in hell reserved for those two.

      • terri3975 Says:

        Sandy, Bela and Marta were in NYC with the Romanian team and slipped away when they had an opportunity. Their spin is they had to take advantage of the opportunity to defect when it presented itself and they would worry about their daughter later.

        I’ve said before on this blog Chelle Stack is a very good friend of mine who I have known for a long time. The way Bela and Marta treated her was horrible. Gymtruthteller might kick me off her blog if I get into that again here since I’ve spoken so much about it elsewhere on this blog! LOL

        As far as the puberty thing is concerned, I never had the right body type to be a gymnast – too skinny and tall – so I went into running and swimming instead. The one thing I did have in common with a lot of these elite gymnasts though is I started puberty very late (my daughters are late bloomers too). I was 16 before even the very first signs of puberty started happening for me. I of course couldn’t wait for puberty to start since all of my friends had completed puberty and I was still at the starting line. I have always found it a strange thing that a lot of these elite gymnasts actually dread the coming of puberty because it means the coaches are going to be all over them about their weight and changing bodies. It doesn’t seem to be as bad now as it once was – I think primarily because they raised the minimum Olympic age limit to 16 during the Olympic year. In the 80s and 90s, though, it was pure hell for a lot of these gymnasts, especially Karolyi’s girls. A lot of girls ended up with eating disorders and emotional problems because of it.

      • Sandy Says:

        Didn’t GTT post a biography of some sort featuring Chelle Stack (unauthorized)? I remember being horrified – yet not surprised – at the Marta/Bela antics. I guess I had hoped they’ve changed, and now that they don’t coach girls directly maybe most of that has been fixed. I mean, the girls now seem to be healthier and not so anorexic/stick thin. If that’s something that is a result of the age rule, then that’s the only good thing about the age rule.

        I remember also being rather horrified at Chelle’s mother. Making her do handstands in the corner or something like that after she got home from a grueling workout, and not letting her quit or take a break even though she was obviously miserable. She went to the Olympics though – so good for her. Not too many gymnasts can even claim that.

        Wasn’t that Newman coach also mentioned in that biography? OH wait…it’s ringing a bell…didn’t he and Campi become an item? Or did he molest her? Maybe both, who knows – but he sounds like a creep bastard. There seemed to have been a lot of that in gymnastics at that time too…there was a coach in Huntington Beach, CA who (forgot his name) was molesting one of his gymnasts…she was on the national team and I forgot her name…ok, just looked it up, the gymnast was Doe Yamashiro and the coach was Don Peters.

        http://www.ocregister.com/articles/peters-318708-yamashiro-gymnastics.html

        The picture of his face says it all!

      • terri3975 Says:

        Go back to the January 2012 archives on this blog. I said a lot about Chelle on that.

        Not sure if the Newman/Campi thing is discussed. I think he had an affair with her mom and the married her mom. He also tried to become famous as a coach with Michelle as his ticket to fame. It never worked out. I think there were rumors he was having a fling with Michelle too but that may have been just speculation.

        We could devote pages to the Don Peters matter. I am surprised there hasn’t been more duscussion of that in the blogs.

      • terri3975 Says:

        The reason I am so surprised at the lack of attention the Peteres story has received is that he was such a bigtime coach. He was literally the second most famous coach after Bela. He was coach of the 1984 Olympic team. A lot of well known gymnasts were coached by him. He was actually a very good coach as far as teaching the right form. He also didn’t scream at the girls, and he tried to apply somewhat scientific and sound methods to their training to minimize injuries. Its too bad he of all people turned out to be a guy sexually abusing some of his girls. I just hope folks don’t somehow associate the very positive traits of coach who does not verbally abuse and overwork his girls as being someone who is a sexual abuser.

      • terri3975 Says:

        Sandy, you also mentioned the Olympic age rule. I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand it is very unfair to gymnasts who just miss out on qualifying for the Olympics. I have a friend whose 11 year old daughter is training to be an elite gymnast – spending hours in the gym everyday, the family sacrificing totally for her gymnastics, all that. The trouble is she does not turn 12 until February of next year. That means she is not going to turn 16 until February 2017, and therefore will not be eligible for the 2016 Olympics. She will be 19 in 2020 – probably too old to have a realistic chance of making the Olympic team.

        On the other hand, raising the minimum age to turning 16 the year of the Olympics has had a major positive effect, in my view, on the whole issue of proper nutrition and fighting eating disorders. I think they raised the minimum age from 15 to 16 in 2000. That one year makes a huge difference in terms of the physical maturity level of elite gymnasts, especially since so many of them tend to be “late bloomers” as far as puberty is concerned. In the 80’s and 90’s many of the Olympic gymnasts were 15 – a few even 14 at the time of the Olympics – and literally were still completely prepubescent. Chelle Stack in 1988, Shannon Miller and Kerri Strugg in 1992, and Dominique Moceanu in 1996 are just a few examples. Kim Zmeskal in 1992 might also be an example even though I think she was actually 16 when she competed in the 1992 Olympics. These girls were incredibly small, light, and had childlike bodies with not the slightest sign of boobs or hips. I think Shannon Miller was 4’6” tall and weighed 69 lbs at the 1992 Olympics.

        Now, you can debate all day whether these girls looked or were “healthy.” Personally, I don’t think they necessarily looked unhealthy, at least not all of them. A lot of it was perception in that people just are not used to seeing 15 and even 16 year old girls who still look like they are 11 or 12. However, if I showed you pictures of Chelle Stack or Kim Zmeskal at that time and told you they 12 year olds, I doubt you would say they looked “unhealthy.” In act, you would probably say they are incredibly fit and healthy 12 year olds. I suspect most were probably just naturally “late bloomers” as opposed to their training causing them to have delayed puberty, but I know there is debate on that. My point is they did not look unhealthy for prepubescent girls, which is what they were.

        I don’t think there was anything necessarily wrong with prepubescent girls competing in the Olympics as far as the effect it had on them. The bigger problem was the effect it had on all the other girls, who were going through puberty. Here were all these still prepubescent girls being held up as the standard everybody else was supposed to meet. The older girls, and girls who hit puberty relatively early (Kristie Phillips is an example), were trying to maintain an ideal that was simply impossible for someone who is going through puberty to achieve. I know Chelle Stack was criticized severely by Karolyi as a 16 and 17 year old once she started going through puberty and began developing boobs and hips. A lot of the girls wound up with eating disorders and self-esteem problems over this. Christy Henrich, who developed an eating disorder and died from it, is the ultimate horror story that happened during this era.

        When they raised the minimum age to 16, though, the dynamics changed. It simply is not realistic to think many 16 year old girls – even elite gymnasts – are not going to have at least started puberty by that age. So in my view the general expectation that the girls on the Olympic team were supposed to have prepubescent –looking bodies faded away. Now the prevailing standard is a girl who looks like Jordan Wieber – very much a “mature” girl with hips and boobs but nonetheless very lean and fit. The girls no longer fear puberty like they once did, nor do they engage in ridiculously unhealthy habits – such as starving themselves or forcing themselves to vomit – to try to combat mother nature.

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Actually Terri you have a point there. That’s the best argument I’ve heard for the age rule. I don’t buy the whole “this way the girls won’t be forced to do harder skills at such an early age” – which is the only argument that I’ve heard really besides this one. I hated that argument because the juniors were/are obviously competing the same skills that the seniors are; we always hear of the first-place “junior” that out-scored the first-place “senior” at the national meets (Johnson was at one time this junior…so was Weiber I think). And now there’s Ohashi, who has one of the hardest beam sets I’ve ever seen and now I’m sure every junior out there is being forced to train an amanar.

        Anyways – good point for that. I still feel like it’s too bad that if you’re the “best” gymnast in whatever country you represent at age 15, you should be able to represent that country; however, the bias of this sport in the past (especially that Kim Kelly story) definitely supports the need to make athletes wait longer before they can compete at the senior level. I think someone even mentioned bringing the age up to 18 (which I think would be kind of awful for these gymnasts, given the hardships this sport takes on their bodies), but hopefully it will just stay the way it is.

        My next attack on the “rules” would be the 2 per country rule for the all around. That one pisses me off, too – but I have a work deadline and shouldn’t be ranting all over this blog (like I have been, hah!)

      • JAS4 Says:

        I agree I dislike the two per country rule the best gymnast should compete regardless of which country their from I personally wouldn’t feel like I earned medal if I knew that some one who could have beaten me hands down couldn’t compete because of the two per country rule and as for the age limit I could understand if the lowered it to 14 so that no matter when the gymnast were born they have the opportunity to compete in an Olympics by the time they’re 18 but I also understand the 16 age limit to I think with gymnast like Ohashi who will be 19 before they get a chance at the Olympics it then becomes up to the coach to pace them so they peak at the right time and avoid injury and burn out as much as possible

      • terri3975 Says:

        Sandy, I certainly agree with you that it is nonsense to suggest the 16-year-old minimum age requirement discourages younger girls from trying routines that are too difficult for them. In fact, the coaches in the early 90’s were making the exact opposite argument for why we needed to have younger girls with the childlike bodies on the Olympic Team. The argument then was that the older girls with mature body-types could not perform the more explosive high-flying acrobatic skills that the younger girls could perform! Some even argued that the younger girls were actually more fearless than the older girls. I think a lot of folks make up whatever rationale suits the occasion.

        A minimum age requirement has some broad benefits (such as the one I have suggested) but definitely results in unfairness when applied in individual situations. The problem is not so much a minimum age requirement as the fact that the premier event in gymnastics happens only once every four years. It seems that a lot of these girls hit their peak in a one or two year period age-wise. That period varies from girl to girl. It may be 14-15 for one girl, and 16-17 for another. If the Olympics do not occur during the two-year period when a girl peaks, she probably is not going to make the team, or not do well if she does make it, regardless of a minimum age requirement. It is not as bad in other Olympic sports such as swimming because the athetes have a much longer zone in which they are at their competitive peak. They are never going to change having the Olympics every four years though, so I for one don’t have some magic solution to offer.

        JAS4, you make a very good point that an astute coach should try to manage a girl’s training so that she peaks during whatever year she is eligible for the Olympics. It’s really hard though for a girl who does not become eligible until she is 19. The girls start so young and their training is so intense. To start serious training when you are 7 or 8 and keep your dedication and focus for 12 years without getting burned out along the way is a tall task.

        I also agree with both you and Sandy about the two person per country limit for the AA. I never liked that. I want to see the best AA’s in the finals regardless of what country they are from. Really this rule has hurt more Russian and Romanian gymnasts over the years than U.S. gymnasts.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Yeah I’m not saying it would fix everything but if coaches paced the girls who will be older when it’s time for the Olympics I think it would really help like Ohashi for example is rumored to be training an Amanar already but I think it would be better to stick with a DTY for another year or two and maybe let her train an Amanar into the pito or something but hold off on doing it in competition or seriously training it for awhile

      • terri3975 Says:

        It is interesting that Don Peters tried an experiment along those lines in the early 90’s with a gymnast named Shelley Engels. He was convinced the girls were being rolled out too early and were being burned out as a result. He had her train less intensely as a 13 and 14 year old and not go to the major competitions at that age. He instead focused on getting her “competition ready” when she was older. She winded up not doing to much, although I doubt it had anything to do with Peters’ experiment in how she was trained.

        Peters actually had a lot of good ideas. Of course now anything associated with his name is tainted due to his dark side that has recently come to light.

    • Sandy Says:

      This is the reason why I hate the whole specialist thing. If you kept it with “the best all arounders” it would allow someone that Marta wouldn’t want on the team in…guaranteed Chellsie will come in and bust out a can of whoop ass at trials, and meanwhile, Shawn will come out with some major tricks up her sleeve and surprise everyone. There’s no reason for this quad to not enforce the “top five” all arounders spots; there are at least that many who are going for it for the Olympics. Off the top of my head we have Weiber, Ross, Raisman, Bross, Douglas, Maroney, Johnson, Memmel, Vega. There. Pick five of those and you’d likely have a gold-medal-winning team. It worked in 1996 – wonder why we haven’t won team gold since? Ask Marta. The whole specialist thing has yet to prove itself worthy.

      What makes me sick is that if Nastia doesn’t make the team she’s still considered part of the “team selection” committee. That’s such bullshit, it makes me want to throw something. Of course if she’s part of selection, no way Shawn or any ’08 member would make it! She’d have Weiber (cuz she’s a lock), Bross, Raisman, Maroney, and herself on the team in no time.

      • Biyatch Says:

        Bross announced she’s no longer training the all-around. Only beam and bars. That seems to essentially doom her to not be on the team. She’s in direct competition with Nastia for the spot if thats the direction they decide to go.

        I don’t get the urgent need for another beam specialist. A Weiber, Ross, Raisman lineup seems pretty strong.

      • Sandy Says:

        Really???!! That is the nail in the coffin for her then. If anything, she should be training floor too because it really will come down to that to make this team. She’s going up against Gabby, Nastia, Memmel, and Shawn for two available/open spots – as far as I’m concerned Weiber, Ross and Raisman are locks. And in my opinion, Douglas and Kyla have already sealed their spots on the 3 up 3 count for UB – Douglas has been far more consistent in competition this year. Weiber will be used in quals, so really only one other UB specialist, if that, might be needed. On beam, the lineup should be Raisman (good table setter), Weiber, and Ross. Bross is too inconsistent on her dismount to even really be a factor, and Raisman has the same dismount, is more consistent, and as far as I’m concerned they both have the same “lack of grace” going on for them.

        I just saw an article recently about Bross being concerned about fighting for an AA spot since she won’t have an amanar…at least, Liukin said that. Wow if that is really the case she’s not going to make this team unless Raisman or Douglas gets injured. I’d even trust Douglas on beam over Bross.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Yeah I think if Bross wants to focus on bars and beam that’s one thing but if I were her I would still train vault and floor even if they’re watered down that way if she were to make the team she could at least do something on vault and floor if there were injuries but if she is going up against Nastia for the same spot we all know who will get that one unless Bross knows Nastia won’t be ready and will end up backing out

      • Biyatch Says:

        http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/more-sports/olympics/20120515-gruesome-injury-costs-dallas-gymnast-rebecca-bross-a-shot-at-all-around-glory-but-not-olympic-gold.ece

        The Dallas area may yet be represented in women’s gymnastics at the London 2012 Games, but its eight-year hold on the biggest prize in the sport will end.
        Rebecca Bross , once considered capable of succeeding 2004 and 2008 Olympic all-around champions Carly Patterson and Nastia Liukin, is no longer training to make the U.S. team in the all-around.
        Bross, speaking at Monday’s U.S. Olympic Committee Media Summit at Dallas’ Hilton Anatole, said she will focus on the balance beam and uneven bars. She underwent surgery on her right knee after suffering a gruesome injury in August.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        This will get it’s own blog tomorrow. She is basically fighting for the UB specialist role. Does she get this is a competion with Nastia?

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        wasn’t Hollie Vise told to focus on bars and beam???? GTT you know where I’m going. I think her parents should have a TX sized come to Jesus Circle up with team Bross…I don’t think the bars specialist position exists with three solid amanarsI think Maroney=Hatch, Jordyn=Patterson, Johnson= Bhardwaj, Ross= McCool, Raisman= Muppets….no one could ever be Terin Humphrey

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Hollie was told to focus on bars and beam for a specialist spot that never existed. I think with Kyla and Gabby on this team they need a floor specialist more than a bars one.

      • JAS4 Says:

        I think the need for a good floor person is being over looked in the need for good bar specialist they really need a good AA gymnast who is good on bars,beam, and floor or at least floor and bars

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        Yes i know what hollie was told to do…. Bross is more focused on beam and floor but they talk about her vault so im confused i shes just more beam floor focused or what? Its just eerie, i was thinking we needed floor if we bring maroney…

      • JAS4 Says:

        I think Bross is just doing bars and beam now but I think it would be better if she still trained at least a watered down floor and vault that way if she were to make the team and there were injuries she could still do something on floor and vault if needed but basically now she is in direct competition more so than before with Nastia and if it comes down to Bross or Nastia we know who Marta will chose

      • Blake Smith (@bloksmit) Says:

        Well, you’re in luck. I recently competed at the JO nats for the men and my coach went to workshops for the revisions to the next code and he said that they’re are trying to get back to a more allaround centered gymnastics world and drop the specialist.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        That is nice to hear. End the pirouette bonus that gave us Nastia the AA gold medalist despite the fact her vault and floor with crap.

      • JAS4 Says:

        I like that idea much better!

  7. Sandy Says:

    She says she doesn’t want to leave the gym knowing she could have given more. Um, what does she think we are, idiots? She could have given a LOT more. Try a YEAR more to make this a REAL comeback. She’s not fooling anyone. If she even makes this team it’s because of dirty politics and only because the US can hide behind this whole “lacking” in uneven bars shit. Ross, Douglas, Bross, Johnson, and Weiber are all capable of bars scores in the 15-range (OK, some maybe high-14/low-15) which should be enough to hold off the Russians given these girls (along with Raisman and Maroney) can do amazing floor, beam, and/or vault. The Romanians just beat the Russians (OK, admittedly the Russians weren’t their best, but neither were the Romanians) and they lack on UB more than the US.

    If Nastia even makes this team I’ll call horseshit. The only way I’ll feel like it’s a validated approach is if US wins team gold. If they come back with ANYTHING but a team gold and Nastia was on that team, Marta better retire. Fast.

    • Dee Says:

      Romania winning Europeans = made me crap my pants a little

      I used to love her gymnastics and thought she was great, but my respect for her went away after I saw that she is essentially running around just enjoying the benefits of being part of the Olympic hopeful lineup…she had her time, move aside and allow the girls that have worked their entire lives for the London games have their time to shine. Seeing her at media stuff annoys the piss out of me because she literally just woke up one morning 4 months ago and decided she was going to try to be an Olympian again…most likely it was out of boredom.

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        Most likely out of wanting to be the center of attention…. Just wait Larissa Iordache will be olympic AA champion because the international judges are sick of fugly muscled russian gymnasitcs. Robotic unstylish ungraceful american gymnastics. That chinese girl if she recovers from injury will take silver And Jordyn will take bronze. Belu and Bitang are smarter than the karolyis dont count out them or their gymnasts

      • Sandy Says:

        I’m pretty sure that, barring no major mistakes are made by the others, the AA champion in London will NOT be American.

      • Dee Says:

        I feel as though Jordyn is the only American with a serious shot…if any other American is on that AA podium I will laugh until I cry…except for maybe Ross (why was she not at the media thing?).

        Aside from that, I think that the USA winning the AA gold three Olympics in a row is a longshot.

      • Sandy Says:

        I wouldn’t be surprised if Ross comes out of the woodworks and wins the whole thing. She’s a dark horse if I ever saw one. Nobody’s paying attention to her, yet she’s very capable of beating Jordyn’s scores on beam and bars, and does the same vault. She improves on floor then game could be seriously over.

      • Gymbee Says:

        I agree! I can’t remember, was Patterson this annoying and stealing the limelight in 2008? Announcing that she’s only been training for 6 months and expecting to make the team is so arrogant, and so disrespectful to the other athletes!

  8. Wood Says:

    Everyone here hating on Nastia for “bragging” about being in the gym only 6 months before the Olympics is an idiot who can’t read. The journalist only states that she’s been in the gym for 6 months; Nastia makes no claims about being on the team, she expresses that she realizes she should have been training earlier, and says it’s about fitting into the puzzle, which maybe she’ll do but if she doesn’t, she knows she just has to let that be. You’re all just hating because you want to seem like “real” gymnastic fans, which if you were, you’d realize how talented this beautiful young woman who has done nothing but be sweet and dedicated and polite to the sport, her teammates, her fans, and the press. Get over yourselves.

    • Sandy Says:

      Polite? How is it polite to announce your comeback literally RIGHT AFTER the current Team USA won gold at worlds in Tokyo? How is it nice to be so snarky towards your own teammates; namely those that gave you some good competition and yes, beat you once in awhile? How is it sweet to call another teammate of yours, one that just happened to “beat” you to the AA title in a world meet, fat? Wake up Wood. You don’t have to read this blog if it makes your skin crawl.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I approved the troll comment but got busy and could not answer it. You answered it better than I could.

        The askimet spam works REALLY well and from now on those types of comments will just be sent to spam.

        I do love how people tell me they hate me but keep coming back. Little do they know their comments are automatically sent to spam after I spam them once. I don’t even see the stuff they send after that.

  9. Aerial Says:

    What is really bothering me is how she’s presenting herself. Why is everyone else wearing white jeans, red golf tees and she’s wearing a filmy blouse, daisy duke boom boom shorts and hooker heels?? She looks ridiculous and definitely NOT like part of the team or common effort of the group. I think she looks best in a leo or when they force her to wear what the others are wearing. She is way too stripper-esque. And sorry if any of you are strippers or like strippers. Just have to say it.

    • Exgymgurl Says:

      Thats so funny its like calling carly paterson retarded and apologizing cause its an insult to retarded people. Or saying Gabby douglas has a tourettes syndrome tics that makes her reveal her horse teeth and do her head bob constantly when actually her voluntary behavior is an insult to all people with tourettes like carlys voluntary stupidity is an insult to all people who are developmentally different.

      I read something interesting about shawns secret readiness today that makes me wonder if they arent hiding her awesome tumbling from that dreadful chInese camp spy jiani wu. Shawn will reveal herself at nationals….. What a crock of butter oh yeah and they sculpted her in it already. Run for governor of iowa already and get it overwith between all the 50 people in that state and its hypnotic windmills she has a good chance of being governor.

      • Aerial Says:

        LOL!!
        Well, I’ve given up trying to defend or figure out wassup with SJ. She purposely is tweeting every day about busy days that have nothing to do with training. She’s either gonna shock everyone and trains at night, or is trying to make the pain/public reaction hurt less or be less serious if she doesn’t make the team and had actually backed off awhile ago.

  10. K Says:

    I may be crazy but I think the only reason that Nastia decided to make a “comeback” was because Shawn did. She didn’t want Shawn to upstage her.

    • gymtruthteller Says:

      I agree with you to a point. I think she saw Shawn and Alicia getting the attention and she wanted it too

    • Lauren H Says:

      JAS4, don’t even joke like that!! LOL

      • JAS4 Says:

        Couldn’t you see it happening now lol Marta puts Nastia on the team for her theoretical bars and then they get to London and she “is injured” and can’t do bars or gets to London and shows her bars in warm ups and the coach decides he would rather use Aly’s bars than Nastia’s lol

      • Lauren H Says:

        I totally can, which is the worst! LOL

      • JAS4 Says:

        Lol then if the USA wins or medals with her on the team she will still get to claim another Olympic medal whether she competes or not

      • Lauren H Says:

        Exactly, a la Alicia in 2011. Come to think of it, maybe Marta has been planning this all along…she refused to let Anna compete at worlds last year so she had a precedence for this exact scenario come the Olympics. Man, it’s official, this is so happening now.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Yeah I think Marta will take Nastia no matter what as long as she shows up and does anything at Nationals and Trials she will be on the team

  11. Annonymous Says:

    I do not think Nastia will make it but there will be some public excuse or stunt to make it ok so she doesn’t look bad.

    If Bross doesn’t have her old floor routine then I do not see a spot for her on this team.

    My team before was Jordyn, Kyla, Aly, Gabby and ???

    V- Aly, Kyla, Jordyn
    UB – Jordyn, Kyla, Gabby
    BB- Aly or 5th spot, Jordyn, Kyla
    FX – 5th spot, Jordyn, Aly

    In my opinion, ideally the 5th spot would be very good on Floor (Bross’s old floor routine scored well) and she could also do bars and beam. But if she can’t do floor then I think we need someone else and its not Maroney although Marta might take her anyways but her floor does not score well. I hope it is Shawn. I hope she surprises us with an amazing floor routine, solid upgraded Bars with her signature good form, and her upgraded hit beam routine.

    There are lots of others thrown into the mix that will likely surprise us so its set to be an exciting Trials!

    • Sandy Says:

      I totally agree. At this time floor should almost be more of a focus than bars. Bars we have at least Kyla and potentially Gabby, and Jordyn can throw up a decent bars score. If Maroney ups her floor and is consistent, she’ll be on this team. It will come down to who has a better floor. If Shawn comes out with a solid floor routine (hey, she won silver at the Olympics) and solidifies beam and bars, she can do bars instead of Weiber (her form is better, she’s more consistent, and Weiber will be doing the other three events so may as well give her a rest on one)…If Ally didn’t have such a great floor she probably wouldn’t be on this team. Bross should know this. I guess she’s following whatever her coach tells her despite the fact we all know he’s telling her this so his daughter will have more of a chance at making it over her. I hope Bross didn’t go pro so she can at least have a fruitful NCAA career.

      P.S. What have we heard about Sloan, if anything? She’s a good bar worker too and I seem to remember her having a pretty decent floor as well. Sloan might have more of a chance than Bross.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I seem to remember reading somewhere that Bridget Sloan had updgrades on bars and floor which actually makes her a perfect compliment to Alicia on vault and beam.

      • JAS4 Says:

        The only thing is that if you have a team ASac on it there is a risk of having to use Aly’s bars which at least she can do bars if needed

      • JAS4 Says:

        If Kyla’s floor upgrades are good enough she could possibly be the table setter for floor but there is still a need for another solid AAer

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        She will have her 5.8 back. IMO she needs to upgrade.

      • JAS4 Says:

        I think also now that ASac seems to have her FHS rudi vault back if she could get the FHS double I think it could make up for having to use Aly’s bars if there were injuries I think the FHS double has a 7.2 start value but I’m not sure

  12. Aerial Says:

    Son of a dingaling!!
    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20120515/SPORTS/305150108/Shawn-Johnson-will-not-compete-at-U-S-Classic

    • JAS4 Says:

      I am a Shawn fan but she should at least be able to compete one event at Classics even if she just does vault and does a DTY so as not to give away any of her other routines if she indeed has them there is no reason she shouldn’t at least be able to do that

    • K Says:

      I think what is more disturbing is that Chow says she may not even compete at Nationals. That’s very upsetting to me and now I’ve really let go of the dream. I think she’s done. =(

      • JAS4 Says:

        Either she is really done which is a good possibility considering it seems she has a lack of time in the gym or it’s a plot by Shawn and Chow to throw everyone off so she can pull a Memmel and show up out of no where and be good Shawn said a few months ago that she had a new floor but who knows what’s been going on with her since then

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        If that is true she might as well not even go to Trials. They will not take her if she competes at one event

    • Dee Says:

      dang. They might just be saving the knee for Visas…why compete on it at Classics if she really does not need to be there? Either that or she really is keeping things top secret and we wont see anything until Visas…where she will blow everyone out of the water.

      • Aerial Says:

        But to be publicizing at this time she might not even go to Nationals? Can’t imagine wanting that bad press for my athlete, ie. the nail in the coffin, in the midst of all her appearances and other statements in articles. I wonder if this is the truth, but something Sheryl Shady will be fuming about? Everything seems really controlled with SJ and NL’s publicity, while still keeping them in the forefront of potential Olympian endorsements and appearances. But if Shawn didn’t want people counting her out and talking about her lack of commitment, why would she be posting how every day is packed with non-gymn related activities? I would hardly be writing about that when I’m sure the selection committee is already considering everything. Maybe she’s trying to tell us something so it will hurt less or be less shock later on.

      • nero Says:

        If her knee can’t handle classics, then visas, then trials what makes people think it will be able to handle the Olympics?

        I think this is more or less an excuse. Did the knee set her back and make it more difficult? Absolutely. But the girl has been shooting 34534985 commercials, ‘writing’ a book and traveling instead of, you know, being in the gym

        She said she’s going to cheer on Gabby so she’s going to be there instead of at her gym and she can’t even swing a watered down bar routine?

    • Sandy Says:

      Dang, I am so confused. Shawn very recently said she’s “very excited” about showing her upgrades and new routines and has also very recently been asked about training – multiple times by multiple people – and she said point blank “it’s going well.” If she didn’t have a shot at all do you really think she’d be saying those things, and then just not show up at nationals even though she was able to compete THREE EVENTS not even a year ago? She’s really going to piss off her fan base if she does that. I mean, at least clue us in! I’d rather have it where she would announce that she’s been re-injured or something than for her to just “quit.” She’s not a quitter.

      I really hope this is all a ploy. Marta was OK with her not competing at Classics and not going to camp. I’m hoping she has some serious sh*t up her sleeves and she’ll pull a Memmel. Although it’s not looking good when she’s tweeting about wanting to be on the “all star” series of Dancing with the Stars. Seriously?! Ahhhhh!!!!! Although, you gotta admit – if she makes that show I’m sure Nastia would be REALLY pissed off.

      • Sandy Says:

        I refuse to admit Shawn has quit just as I refuse to admit Nastia has made a real comeback. 🙂

    • K Says:

      Here is a video about her new book. She looks great!

      • Sandy Says:

        Yeah – I keep going back and forth with this. Shawn’s not an idiot when it comes to the media. I think she has tricks up her sleeve. If she wasn’t ready I think she would just announce it and try to be involved with the Olympics by another means (announcer, broadcast, what have you)…if ASac is still in the running (or at least training) then Shawn is. It’s just all been very secretive.

      • Aerial Says:

        Awwwww…. that awesome preview made me really sad after reading this article today. I was reminded how much I’ve always enjoyed her personality, the way she speaks and responds to things, and of course, I really wanted her to make the team. So conflicted. I guess by the time this book arrives in my mailbox, I’ll already know the “end” to her story either way.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        It’s not called GymNICEtics 🙂

      • nero Says:

        I’m just over it, over all of it. I can’t wait until the team is named so everyone can stop this charade. Shawn seems more interested in pimping herself out to DWTS again then anything else.

        All I know is the girls I’m rooting for to make the team are actually….trying to make the team

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        That is well said. I am also done with this. Shawn has quit but won’t admit it.

      • Sandy Says:

        I refuse to admit Shawn has quit just as I refuse to admit Nastia has made a real comeback. 🙂

        Sorry, posted this up more but it landed in the wrong spot…

      • terri3975 Says:

        I’ve noticed that a lot of these elite gymnasts when they get a little older, even while they are still competing in college, really only look “fat” at first glance. They get pretty big legs and a lot of them get really big boobs. Their boobs in particular make them look “chunky” because their clothing is hanging down in such a way that you don’t realize they still have thin waists. Also, they have have big thighs but they really are still very muscular. I also think the camera adds a lot of pounds. Most of them look very attractive in person. I have known a few former elite gymnasts over the years beginning in college. A lot of time you would think they are a little “chunky” or “stocky” when you first meet them but later, especially when you would see them in a swim suit, you would realized they were still lean and fit.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Also if you’re really short like most gymnast are and you happen to have boobs depending on what clothing you wear it can make you look chunkier than you really are if you have a really short torsos I am not a gymnast but I am only 5ft so I understand how it can be difficult Lol

      • terri3975 Says:

        I’ m 5’7” tall and have always been quite thin with small boobs (runner’s body) so have never had that problem, but I think it is ridiculous to try to force fit these gymnasts or anybody else into an image – that of the typical leggy fashion model – that is obviously doesn’t fit their God-given body type.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Yeah it’s crazy when someone is average they are called fat but if they are skinny then they’re called anorexic it’s ridiculous

      • MacStabby Says:

        I’m not Shawn’s biggest fan right now, but this body-snarking thing fills me with stabby rage. All body types are different, and people need to accept that. As long as you’re healthy, you should try to embrace your bod. It sucks that she felt so bad about herself; I mean, if an Olympic athlete will have body image issues, what hope is there for the rest of us?

    • anonymous Says:

      http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/london/gymnastics/story/2012-05-14/shawn-johnson-loses-weight-speaks-out-body-image/54959326/1 did anyone else see this article? Maybe it has something to do with why she didn’t want to appear in a leotard for just a photo shoot…

      • Sandy Says:

        Yeah I saw it. I felt bad for her but at least she’s making a positive statement about it. Good for her! More reason to like her…sigh…but yeah I heard somewhere else that’s why she was feeling weird about posing in a leo. She was at one point pictured as really cut (six-pack abs) so who knows what the deal is now. Of course, part of me worries she’s not posing in a leo because she’s no longer in shape. I’m hoping it’s the opposite…as I’m sure you all know about now who I’m REALLY hoping makes this team…sigh….

      • JAS4 Says:

        She is always tweeting about exercise and yoga so she should be pretty in shape but who knows

      • Exgymgurl Says:

        They would definitely want her for DWTS all stars she makes way more sense than a lot of other names on the list…..Shawn probably makes way more banking that but she has to be In shape for endorsements and for commercials and DWTS… So call it a comeback it gets you even more deals and more publicity and more bank. No one remembers she lost to Nastia because she still got gold and no one outside of gymnastics knows who Nastia is really. GTT has made this pt a number of times and it’s correct. Shawns Nike contract may also preclude other brands ( like whatever the Leo’s were probably Adidas… She uses the body image thing as an angle for the book rather than saying I can’t be photographed in it cause it’s not Nike or gk…. Alicia has a tight deal with underarmour while Nastia had one with Adidas…. Now does it make sense who showed up and who didn’t? Alicia wears under armor over team Leo’s all the time…..

      • Sandy Says:

        Well now she’s tweeting about grilling and sunning…WTF. Ok, let’s ALL tweet her and ask her what the hell is going on with her potentially not making it to Nationals! (haha)

      • JAS4 Says:

        She probably wouldn’t respond or if she did she would just say she trained earlier in the day or something but how is she supposedly training 40hrs a week

      • Aerial Says:

        You know what I’ve realized, these “muscular” types (or “stocky” as the article calls it!) were, in hindsight, much smaller than I recall. Shawn was muscular but more slender than I remembered, and sorry to admit this Gymtruthteller, but I youtubed Kim Zmeskal’s “In the Mood” from 91 and girl was slender!!… I remember that was when I got into gymnastics and my mom calling her muscles “grotesque”… lol. I feel sorry for them. And I can’t believe the one article says SJ is muscular like Weiber but Weiber is in much better shape or whatever… Weiber is practically a foot taller and younger! I feel sorry for anyone under 5 feet that retires from elite sport.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        Not everyone can look skinny. I never thought Zmeskal was remotely big during 93. After that she had huge legs but no stomach.

        I never thought of Shawn as anything but skinny either.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Basically it’s seems as in the point of view of the media of you aren’t anorexic skinny and have ribs sticking out then you must be fat it’s ridiculous how the media can make a person who the rest of the world sees as skinny and make them feel like they are horribly fat

      • Sandy Says:

        I always felt really bad for gymnasts; they stunt their bodies so and work out to the extremes, spending most of their youth looking really cut/thin – so I’m sure it’s super difficult after they eventually retire or take a break, to develop into a more “normal” body type and are meanwhile exposed via the media. Not only that, but 25 lbs on Shawn Johnson looks like 50 lbs on someone that is 5’6″ or taller…it just spreads more evenly. I remember even on DWTS people were saying Shawn looked chunky and I wanted to tell them all to shut up – she’s still more fit than 99% of the world population and yes, I can only imagine the TV putting on 10 lbs…that’s like 20 to 30 lbs for “normal” sized people (“normal” meaning anyone at least 5 inches above the 4’10” she was in ’08)…I even remember ASac showing up after retirement and WHOA she had knockers (reference to Sarah!)…so yeah, most retired gymnasts have major issues probably facing normality – it’s even worse when the general public blasts them for it! Society is cruel, especially when they can hide behind their computer screens.

        I mean, people were even calling Nastia fat at one point…enough is enough. I’m glad she’s sending a positive message out there but you have to almost think the US is 30% obese, so most people should just shut the f*ck up if they want to talk about people looking fat.

        As to my previous comment about being “in shape”…I meant in gymnastics shape not in general shape. Shawn is in better shape than most people in this world (like I said) – but if she posed in a leo and didn’t look like her earlier photos (all muscle), I’m sure everyone would be on to the fact she’s no longer training as much (which I’m hoping IS JUST A RUMOR).

        The end of July can’t get here fast enough.

  13. tulip Says:

    What makes me so mad is that Marta isn’t even trying to hide her favoritism. Nastia made the national team far earlier than she began training. Per her own admission. Really? If Marta can be tjat transparent, then she will have no shame with putting an undeserving gymnast on the Olympic team.
    Keep in mind, that the Karolyi Ranch is now the USA Gymnastics Olympic training center. The Karolyis are getting money left and right to help develop the Olympic team. No matter what- Marta’s not going anywhere.

    • JAS4 Says:

      Yeah the Karolyis have USA gymnastics under their thumb an even if Marta does retire then she will hand pick her successor probably Nastia,Valeri, or Zmeskel or someone like that. It kind of reminds me of the villain in the captain America movie Hydra and their motto is cut of one head and two more shall take its place…. I think that’s the Karolyis motto too

    • Sandy Says:

      What’s even MORE lame is that if she doesn’t make the team, I heard Nastia will still be on the selection committee!!! OK, so how is THAT fair? Or legal???

      • JAS4 Says:

        I don’t think she should be allowed back on the selection committee til after the Olympics is over because it’s a conflict of interest and you know if Nastia doesn’t make it and she is on the selection committee there is no way Shawn,Memmel, or anyone else she doesn’t want on the team will make it as long as she had any say in it even if they earned it if she is on the selection committee I have a feeling that no one from the 08 team will make regardless of how good they do because she doesn’t want their comeback to more successful than hers

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        I don’t think ANYONE should be allowed on the selection committee until they have officially retired from the sport of gymnastics. She’s got NO BUSINESS being there. Just another show of favoritism on Marta’s part.

  14. Exgymgurl Says:

    Looks like from the draw on USA GYmnastics the Caquattos are skipping Classics too….. Macko maybe but Bridgey? can Kim Zmeskal not book flights for them?

    • Sandy Says:

      How do THEY make Nationals then – they didn’t compete in Worlds or Pan Ams except Bridgette! I think Macko is done.

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        I have a feeling Bridgey has decided to go to College. She hasn’t been at camps, isn’t competing at Classics. I have a feeling she is done.

      • Aerial Says:

        Why the eff would she leave her family and move to Texas then? Expensive, uproots her senior year of school, etc. etc. especially if her plans changed. Tres confused about Bridgey.
        And Macko has two new ankles – assuming that means major surgery in the past few days – she tweeted a picture of massive casts or bandages – couldn’t tell – on both ankles this week. She’s dunzo.

      • JAS4 Says:

        Maybe they aren’t going for the Olympics maybe they have decided to focus on college and try to make the team for Worlds next year when some of the girls who go to the Olympics may take a break or retire so there may be more room for them on the team then

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        That is a good point but who says she is even still there? I don’t believe half these gymnasts anymore. They are all to camera crazy.lol

  15. nero Says:

    Since we’re talking about gymnast bodies I would kill for Jordyn’s arms. I like how around other gymnasts Jo towers over everyone but next to normal people she looks so tiny

    http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/jordyn-wieber

    • JAS4 Says:

      Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t one of the reasons Nastia said that she couldn’t do a harder vault in 08 was because of her height she is 5’2″-5’3″ (without the heels) but Jordyn Weiber is also 5’2″-5’3″ and competes an Amanar which vault wasn’t Nastia’s thing I get it but I don’t think height was the reason

      • nero Says:

        I remember reading/hearing that she was training DTYs in the pit but stuck with the 1.5 because of her ankle. I don’t think height had really anything to do with it

        I think it was smart for her. If she did a DTY she might have crossed her ankles, had deep landing, took a step, hurt her ankle etc.

        I like that Jo doesn’t let her height/muscle get in her way. She is clean in her twists and tumbles AND hits her splits (contrary to popular belief)

      • gymtruthteller Says:

        She had no shot in hell of doing a dty. Her 1.5 was suspect half the time.

      • JAS4 Says:

        I think she probably wasn’t really worried about vault to much anyways they just made up for it with a really high d score on bars

      • nero Says:

        “Her 1.5 was suspect half the time”

        HEY that never stopped Nabieva from progressing to an ‘amanar’

      • JAS4 Says:

        http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UmQc75FoAeI
        I think someone else posted this video on here awhile of Nabieva’s Amanar that looked like she was attempting a TTY

      • sanitynmotion Says:

        Hrm. That didn’t really look like she was attempting a triple twist; her feet landed pointing out (the amanar) but her chest/top of her body over-rotated so she just took the steps to follow her upper body movement. You’d think if she were trying for a TTY she’d at least try to get her feet to follow her chest. She has such horrid ugly form; I never understood how she managed to get the scores she got. I know she had the higher difficulty vaults but I’d rather see a nice DTY than an ugly amanar. Yeah yeah – blame the code. But they should deduct more points in execution for doing the difficult skills badly. A nice DTY should score a little higher than an ugly amanar, in my opinion. But then again this is why Cheng got a bronze at the Olympics despite the fact she sat down on her second vault.

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